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My two cents on the subs: Tubby is being stubborn. I think everyone knows three softly recruited freshman on the floor at the same time for extended minutes doesn't make sense and the team sucks when they're out there. But Tubby refuses to change his ways.

But he's a class act.
 

We will never go beyond a fringe tourney team with Tubby as the coach. Need to hire a young, smart, driven, offensive minded coach to take us to the next level.
 

We will never go beyond a fringe tourney team with Tubby as the coach. Need to hire a young, smart, driven, offensive minded coach to take us to the next level.

If you're serious, I agree. This is year four and he's taken steps forward, but not as many as we all thought. In fact, there is very little difference between this team and 2008-09's squad.
 

We will never go beyond a fringe tourney team with Tubby as the coach. Need to hire a young, smart, driven, offensive minded coach to take us to the next level.

As much as I want to say this is an asinine comment with our anemic offense I may tend to agree. I will not give up hope however, we are a young team...very young. Tubby can get us there, it is just how much this team wants to work.
 

We have no real scorer's, pretty simple. Blake is the only consistent shooter on team right now.
 


I am very serious. I have always supported the football and basketball programs financially and time wise, but it gets frustrating year after year when we don't compete for B10 titles.
 

Nolen and Williams' jump shooting form is comical, almost bizzare,
 

We have no real scorer's, pretty simple. Blake is the only consistent shooter on team right now.

I guess if you go 2 for 2 that is consistent, it's to bad he can't create his own shot, and his teammates have no idea how to get him open...so frustrating
 

As much as I want to say this is an asinine comment with our anemic offense I may tend to agree. I will not give up hope however, we are a young team...very young. Tubby can get us there, it is just how much this team wants to work.

We need Tubby to stay. He needs an assistant that can coach offense and they need to recruit guys that are scorers not just athletes. It's great that we have Rodney and someother athletic players, but you haveto blend in guys that have shooting and ball handling skills. Perhaps we have a couple coming in Hollins, Coleman and Oto.
 



Hollins 2.0 is a pure scorer. Coleman should also open things up plenty. Oto can supposedly shoot, and i 6'9''. The cupboard isn't bare/
 

Maybe the coach should play the better players he has, rather than run them off.
 

pass, dribble, dribble, pass, panic, launch contested shot from 17+ feet, hope for a rebound.
My two cents on the subs: Tubby is being stubborn. I think everyone knows three softly recruited freshman on the floor at the same time for extended minutes doesn't make sense and the team sucks when they're out there. But Tubby refuses to change his ways.

But he's a class act.

That is the Smith offense. Perhaps he should *&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#-can his kid and hire someone who can teach the kids how to shoot. Or----------recruit players who can actually shoot a basketball! What a concept.
 

I think its a combination of athletic forwards who can't shoot. Centers who are either too passive or too agressive, a point who cant shoot. Also our one shooter isnt quick enough to get by his man. Losing Joseph really hurts he could score some on his own when the shot clock is running down. It seems like tubby and offensive players don't always mix?
 



I think its a combination of athletic forwards who can't shoot. Centers who are either too passive or too agressive, a point who cant shoot. Also our one shooter isnt quick enough to get by his man. Losing Joseph really hurts he could score some on his own when the shot clock is running down. It seems like tubby and offensive players don't always mix?

By my two-bit analysis, Minnesota and Iowa are the only teams in the league who don't have a go-to scorer. We sort of had one with Devoe, but he wasn't consistent enough to be that guy. Even Indiana has Verdell Jones, who seemed to be able to create his shot at will at Williams Arena the other day down the stretch.

I don't know what it is. A program and coach of this stature should be able to attract guys who can put the ball in the hoop. Or find a Nate Wolters or a Garrett Callahan once in a while; those guys could play for anyone, and their defense couldn't be much worse than Joseph's. One way or another, most of the teams the Gophers have played - even the small schools - have at least one guy who can create and shoot. At one point in the second half yesterday, we had one - count 'em, one - shooter on the floor (Blake). That's not enough if you're trying to come back from a 15-point deficit.

I've always felt that the ideal 5 on the floor are as follows: Two deadly shooters (one guard and one small forward); a crafty point guard who can shoot adequately and drive; one atheletic forward who can rebound and hit the short jumper; and a big stiff who takes up some space and has a few skills. How many times have I seen big-conference teams screw up by going away from this formula, even when they have a choice. I think even Duke figured it out - they didn't get their latest national title until they filled up the paint with a big stiff.

OK, you got me monologuing.
 



If you think we're supposed to have an inferiority complex because we're Minnesota, think again. This program has been a conference title contender and even a national title contender within recent memory, and the expectation is that it can be again. When you pay up for a guy like OTS, that time ought to be now.
 

I don't get why folks can't be disappointed with a coach without wanting him fired. Do I wish we were further along with Tubby at this point? Sure. Do I want him fired? No. That's absurd. Those of you who want him gone are the same folks who probably want Gardy fired. Get a clue and realize it is very, very likely that whoever comes next will do worse, not better.
 


More to the point - what were you like on the Kentucky board when Tubby was at Kentucky?? I'd have to believe this is mild FOT. I doubt there is one poster here that actually wants Tubby fired. I think most on here love the guy and hope he tweaks his strategy a bit, both in recruiting and on the floor.
 

If you think we're supposed to have an inferiority complex because we're Minnesota, think again. This program has been a conference title contender and even a national title contender within recent memory, and the expectation is that it can be again. When you pay up for a guy like OTS, that time ought to be now.

I agree with some of that. The 2010 Gophers should have had 25+ W. Ditto 2011 and that is still possible. But here's the post-WW2 Gopher record before Tubby arrived:

1945–46 14–7 7–5 none none
1946–47 14–7 7–5 none none
1947–48 10–10 5–7 none none
1948–49 18–3 9–3 none none
1949–50 13–9 4–8 none none
1950–51 13–9 7–7 none none
1951–52 15–7 10–4 none none
1952–53 14–8 11–7 none none
1953–54 17–5 10–4 none none
1954–55 15–7 10–4 none none
1955–56 11–11 6–8 none none
1956–57 14–8 9–5 none none
1957–58 9–12 5–9 none none
1958–59 8–14 5–9 none none
1959–60 12–12 8–6 none none
1960–61 10–13 8–6 none none
1961–62 10–14 6–8 none none
1962–63 12–12 8–6 none none
1963–64 17–7 10–4 none none
1964–65 19–5 11–3 none none
1965–66 14–10 7–7 none none
1966–67 9–15 5–9 none none
1967–68 7–17 4–10 none none
1968–69 12–12 6–8 none none
1969–70 13–11 7–7 none none
1970–71 11–13 5–9 none none
1971–72 18–7 11–3 NCAA 2nd Round none
1972–73 21–5 10–4 NIT 2nd Round none
1973–74 12–12 6–8 none none
1974–75 18–8 11–7 none none
1975–76 16–10 8–10 none none
1976–77 24–3 15–3 none Records unofficial due to NCAA sanctions (0-27, 0-18)
Team barred from appearing in post-season
1977–78 17–11 12–6 none Team barred from appearing in post-season
1978–79 11–16 6–12 none none
1979–80 21–11 10–8 NIT Runner-up none
1980–81 19–11 9–9 NIT 3rd Round none
1981–82 23–6 14–4 NCAA 2nd Round none
1982–83 18–11 9–9 NIT 1st Round none
1983–84 15–13 6–12 none none
1984–85 13–15 6–12 none none
1985–86 15–16 5–13 none Coach Jim Dutcher resigned midseason; replaced by Jimmy Williams
1986–87 9–19 2–16 none none
1987–88 10–18 4–14 none none
1988–89 19–12 9–9 NCAA 2nd Round none
1989–90 23–9 11–7 NCAA Elite 8 none
1990–91 12–16 5–13 none none
1991–92 16–16 8–10 NIT 1st Round none
1992–93 22–10 9–9 NIT Champions none
1993–94 21–12 10–8 NCAA 2nd Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1994–95 19–12 10–8 NCAA 1st Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1995–96 19–11 10–8 NIT 2nd Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1996–97 31–4 16–2 NCAA Final Four Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1997–98 20–15 6–10 NIT Champions Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1998–99 17–11 6–10 NCAA 1st Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1999–00 12–16 4–12 none none
2000–01 18–14 5–11 NIT 2nd Round none
2001–02 18–13 9–7 NIT 2nd Round none
2002–03 19–14 8–8 NIT 4th Place none
2003–04 12–18 3–13 none none
2004–05 21–11 10–6 NCAA 1st Round none
2005–06 16–15 5–11 NIT 2nd Round none
2006–07 9–22 3–13 none Coach Dan Monson resigned midseason; replaced by Jim Molinari
 

More to the point - what were you like on the Kentucky board when Tubby was at Kentucky?? I'd have to believe this is mild FOT. I doubt there is one poster here that actually wants Tubby fired. I think most on here love the guy and hope he tweaks his strategy a bit, both in recruiting and on the floor.

Indeed, this is milder than UK. Some UK fans wanted him gone in 1999 because the team had 9 L that season. The AD wanted him gone in 2001 (conspired with Pitino to make it happen) despite 27.5 W per season, NCAA and 3 SEC titles, 3 SECT championships in 4 years.

Many UK fans wanted him gone in 2005 despite 219 W over 8 seasons (exactly the number of W by Pitino in 8 years).

This year's Gopher team has 9 players - 3 are freshmen. Even 20+ W will be decent with them.
 

I agree with some of that. The 2010 Gophers should have had 25+ W. Ditto 2011 and that is still possible. But here's the post-WW2 Gopher record before Tubby arrived:

1945–46 14–7 7–5 none none
1946–47 14–7 7–5 none none
1947–48 10–10 5–7 none none
1948–49 18–3 9–3 none none
1949–50 13–9 4–8 none none
1950–51 13–9 7–7 none none
1951–52 15–7 10–4 none none
1952–53 14–8 11–7 none none
1953–54 17–5 10–4 none none
1954–55 15–7 10–4 none none
1955–56 11–11 6–8 none none
1956–57 14–8 9–5 none none
1957–58 9–12 5–9 none none
1958–59 8–14 5–9 none none
1959–60 12–12 8–6 none none
1960–61 10–13 8–6 none none
1961–62 10–14 6–8 none none
1962–63 12–12 8–6 none none
1963–64 17–7 10–4 none none
1964–65 19–5 11–3 none none
1965–66 14–10 7–7 none none
1966–67 9–15 5–9 none none
1967–68 7–17 4–10 none none
1968–69 12–12 6–8 none none
1969–70 13–11 7–7 none none
1970–71 11–13 5–9 none none
1971–72 18–7 11–3 NCAA 2nd Round none
1972–73 21–5 10–4 NIT 2nd Round none
1973–74 12–12 6–8 none none
1974–75 18–8 11–7 none none
1975–76 16–10 8–10 none none
1976–77 24–3 15–3 none Records unofficial due to NCAA sanctions (0-27, 0-18)
Team barred from appearing in post-season
1977–78 17–11 12–6 none Team barred from appearing in post-season
1978–79 11–16 6–12 none none
1979–80 21–11 10–8 NIT Runner-up none
1980–81 19–11 9–9 NIT 3rd Round none
1981–82 23–6 14–4 NCAA 2nd Round none
1982–83 18–11 9–9 NIT 1st Round none
1983–84 15–13 6–12 none none
1984–85 13–15 6–12 none none
1985–86 15–16 5–13 none Coach Jim Dutcher resigned midseason; replaced by Jimmy Williams
1986–87 9–19 2–16 none none
1987–88 10–18 4–14 none none
1988–89 19–12 9–9 NCAA 2nd Round none
1989–90 23–9 11–7 NCAA Elite 8 none
1990–91 12–16 5–13 none none
1991–92 16–16 8–10 NIT 1st Round none
1992–93 22–10 9–9 NIT Champions none
1993–94 21–12 10–8 NCAA 2nd Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1994–95 19–12 10–8 NCAA 1st Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1995–96 19–11 10–8 NIT 2nd Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1996–97 31–4 16–2 NCAA Final Four Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1997–98 20–15 6–10 NIT Champions Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1998–99 17–11 6–10 NCAA 1st Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1999–00 12–16 4–12 none none
2000–01 18–14 5–11 NIT 2nd Round none
2001–02 18–13 9–7 NIT 2nd Round none
2002–03 19–14 8–8 NIT 4th Place none
2003–04 12–18 3–13 none none
2004–05 21–11 10–6 NCAA 1st Round none
2005–06 16–15 5–11 NIT 2nd Round none
2006–07 9–22 3–13 none Coach Dan Monson resigned midseason; replaced by Jim Molinari

Can someone post the post WWII record of what coaches were paid at Minnesota? WE GET IT THAT WE HAVE A LESS THAN STELLAR PAST.

No doubt Tubby gives rise to hope and expectations of better things because of his history and because he's paid top 10 money to get this thing done. He's done a nice job here. A lot of fans see an opportunity with this squad for more. That's what fans do.
 


I agree with some of that. The 2010 Gophers should have had 25+ W. Ditto 2011 and that is still possible. But here's the post-WW2 Gopher record before Tubby arrived:

1945–46 14–7 7–5 none none
1946–47 14–7 7–5 none none
1947–48 10–10 5–7 none none
1948–49 18–3 9–3 none none
1949–50 13–9 4–8 none none
1950–51 13–9 7–7 none none
1951–52 15–7 10–4 none none
1952–53 14–8 11–7 none none
1953–54 17–5 10–4 none none
1954–55 15–7 10–4 none none
1955–56 11–11 6–8 none none
1956–57 14–8 9–5 none none
1957–58 9–12 5–9 none none
1958–59 8–14 5–9 none none
1959–60 12–12 8–6 none none
1960–61 10–13 8–6 none none
1961–62 10–14 6–8 none none
1962–63 12–12 8–6 none none
1963–64 17–7 10–4 none none
1964–65 19–5 11–3 none none
1965–66 14–10 7–7 none none
1966–67 9–15 5–9 none none
1967–68 7–17 4–10 none none
1968–69 12–12 6–8 none none
1969–70 13–11 7–7 none none
1970–71 11–13 5–9 none none
1971–72 18–7 11–3 NCAA 2nd Round none
1972–73 21–5 10–4 NIT 2nd Round none
1973–74 12–12 6–8 none none
1974–75 18–8 11–7 none none
1975–76 16–10 8–10 none none
1976–77 24–3 15–3 none Records unofficial due to NCAA sanctions (0-27, 0-18)
Team barred from appearing in post-season
1977–78 17–11 12–6 none Team barred from appearing in post-season
1978–79 11–16 6–12 none none
1979–80 21–11 10–8 NIT Runner-up none
1980–81 19–11 9–9 NIT 3rd Round none
1981–82 23–6 14–4 NCAA 2nd Round none
1982–83 18–11 9–9 NIT 1st Round none
1983–84 15–13 6–12 none none
1984–85 13–15 6–12 none none
1985–86 15–16 5–13 none Coach Jim Dutcher resigned midseason; replaced by Jimmy Williams
1986–87 9–19 2–16 none none
1987–88 10–18 4–14 none none
1988–89 19–12 9–9 NCAA 2nd Round none
1989–90 23–9 11–7 NCAA Elite 8 none
1990–91 12–16 5–13 none none
1991–92 16–16 8–10 NIT 1st Round none
1992–93 22–10 9–9 NIT Champions none
1993–94 21–12 10–8 NCAA 2nd Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1994–95 19–12 10–8 NCAA 1st Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1995–96 19–11 10–8 NIT 2nd Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1996–97 31–4 16–2 NCAA Final Four Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1997–98 20–15 6–10 NIT Champions Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1998–99 17–11 6–10 NCAA 1st Round Unofficial Record – Academic Fraud
1999–00 12–16 4–12 none none
2000–01 18–14 5–11 NIT 2nd Round none
2001–02 18–13 9–7 NIT 2nd Round none
2002–03 19–14 8–8 NIT 4th Place none
2003–04 12–18 3–13 none none
2004–05 21–11 10–6 NCAA 1st Round none
2005–06 16–15 5–11 NIT 2nd Round none
2006–07 9–22 3–13 none Coach Dan Monson resigned midseason; replaced by Jim Molinari

Not that your constant posting of this means anything, but where are you getting this? It has more than a few errors. The 1989 team went to the Sweet 16, not the 2nd round. And I'm pretty sure the 1999 team didn't make the NCAA's with a 6-10 record in the conference.
 

I agree with some of that. The 2010 Gophers should have had 25+ W. Ditto 2011 and that is still possible. But here's the post-WW2 Gopher record before Tubby arrived:

1945–46 14–7 7–5 none none...

So are you saying that the expectations of being a conference title contender are misplaced? If so, come out and say it. Why would a program hire a Tubby Smith if they're happy with second division finishes?

There were some in this forum and elsewhere who, when Smith was hired, cynically said he was opting for semi-retirement in the land of low expectations. It sounds to me like you're insinuating likewise. Or perhaps you're not sure what you think. I don't believe you can have it both ways.
 

I don't get why folks can't be disappointed with a coach without wanting him fired. Do I wish we were further along with Tubby at this point? Sure. Do I want him fired? No. That's absurd. Those of you who want him gone are the same folks who probably want Gardy fired. Get a clue and realize it is very, very likely that whoever comes next will do worse, not better.

Exactly. That's "fandom" at its finest. Yes it's disappointing to be 1-3 and have this season look a lot like the last two years. But, Tubby is still the best coach for the job. When he leaves, we can't rightfully expect to hire a better coach than him. I do think that brining in an offensive guru would be nice. Tubby can focus on defense and in-game coaching while using his name to get into the living rooms of high-level recruits.

Good take on the Gardy comment. Some idiot fans think he's terrible, yet every person who is actually earns a living in baseball believes that he's one of the absolute finest managers in the big leagues. Who's more credible? Same deal with Tubby.
 

I really hope the last 5 minutes of the game was a sign of an offensive awakening. Because, since Puerto Rico tourney, our offense looks like 5 on 5 pick up games I played when I was in college. People running around willy-nilly and passing the ball back and forth.
 

Maybe the coach should play the better players he has, rather than run them off.

This must be what happens when a championship coach comes to a program that hasn't sniffed at a bball championship in a number of years. All of a sudden the expectations are sky high and everybody is looking for someone to blame because we aren't at the top of the B10 after 5 games. Tubby is a veteran coach and knows that alot of season has yet to be played. He knows that an appereance in the big dance will bring plenty of publicity to us and will bring in players as well. There is not a single program in america D1 or not were every player works out 100% of the time. Tubby knows what he is doing. He cannot play in the games he can only tell the players what to do...they have to execute and that takes effort and mental toughness. If the players will listen to the coach and play the way he needs thm to, we will be fine. Tubby is proven...he will get it done.
 




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