Source of Coach Kill's Coaching Philosophy

Donate To GopherHole
K

Killjoy

Active member
Joined
Jan 10, 2011
Messages
5,062
Reaction score
0
Points
36
Do you ever get the feeling that coach Kill used to be a Marine drill sergeant who had a double major in psychology and organizational development? If you add a little bit of Norman Vincent Peale and Gary Patterson and then stir in a lot of energy you have Jerry Kill. Not a bad recipe for a football coach.

What is surprising though is the reaction that some people seem to be having with Kill's comments about the short comings of the team. He is just making sure that everybody understands where he is going and what is expected of them. He calls it the Minnesota way but it is really the Jerry Kill way, but I am looking forward to seeing it become the "Minnesota Way".
 

I can't wait either. And I think he's going to get the job done. However, I believe he could be just a little more positive. Everytime I listen to him, it's like is it really that bad? It sounds like we have the slowest, weakest players in the country. He's the exact opposite of Brewster.
 

Rickman55 said:
I can't wait either. And I think he's going to get the job done. However, I believe he could be just a little more positive. Everytime I listen to him, it's like is it really that bad? It sounds like we have the slowest, weakest players in the country. He's the exact opposite of Brewster.
Click to expand...

I think people focus too much on his comments about slow and weak. He answers questions with honesty and the media asks in every interview what needs to improve. However, I have also heard him follow it up with the improvement that he sees everyday. I think he is doing a great job of handling these young men.
 

I think that there is a method to his approach. If he says how much is to be done, whether there is or not, if they work and he thinks they are in a good position by fall, then he can say that they worked really hard and have come along way. His public persona and how he handles the kids,might just be a little different. I bet he is a pretty good psycologist.
 

Psychologically speaking, in order to facilitate change, this team must move from pre-contemplation, where there is no awareness of a need for change to a phase called contemplation, where the awareness is real. We have a need to change how we do things around here. From contemplation, we'll move through preparation, where we will enact a detailed plan to facilitate change. We are in the midst of the action phase, where Coach Klein is modifying behavior and adjusting attitudes to that of a winner. Once Coach Kill has got some wins and the attitude is taking hold, maintenance ensures the habits and attitudes of winning become a part of the psyche of the team.

How's that make y'all feel? Transtheoretical Model, baby.
 


I don't think most people misinterpret him at all. Our kids have not had to work hard enough, they have not had to work on the right stuff, they have not had to keep up with their homework which is really disappointing given I thought we were spending enough on academic support to move past that. It is not all their fault, but blaming Brewster at this point solves no problems. That is literally what he is saying, and based on performance he is obviously correct.
We didn't want all of Brewster's BS, but as Jack Nicholson would say, at least some us don't want all of the truth either.
Basically Coach Kill is saying the remedy for being a bad football team is really hard work. Not a little bit harder work, but a lot harder work.
He has never said there is no talent on this team, he is saying it is not well enough conditioned to win, they don't do enough school work to know who will be eligible, and they don't get enough done in practice to advance fst enough. Spring practice is going to be a surprise as well. There will be pressure to move fast and execute correctly all of the time. We were 3-9, and could easily have been 1-11. There is one easy game on next year's schedule, without a real different environment 1-11 is achievable next year, this stuff is not self-correcting.
This guy is the best thing that could happen to most of these guys, no matter how many games they win next year. They will be better people fast or they won't be here. I actually think most of them will make it.
 

Killjoy said:
Do you ever get the feeling that coach Kill used to be a Marine drill sergeant who had a double major in psychology and organizational development? If you add a little bit of Norman Vincent Peale and Gary Patterson and then stir in a lot of energy you have Jerry Kill. Not a bad recipe for a football coach.

What is surprising though is the reaction that some people seem to be having with Kill's comments about the short comings of the team. He is just making sure that everybody understands where he is going and what is expected of them. He calls it the Minnesota way but it is really the Jerry Kill way, but I am looking forward to seeing it become the "Minnesota Way".
Click to expand...

I wonder if he ever uses the term "ya jackwagon!"?
 

If the current Gopher team isn't the best group of athletes Jerry Kill has ever coached--by far--Minnesota is in for a rough ride over the next few years. I just don't buy what is being said by many posters here and, at times, Kill himself regarding the level of talent he has inherited.

Also, the way Kill keeps talking about his S&C coach makes you wonder if the coach knows other schools have S&C programs in addition to SIU, NIU and Minnesota. Kill says he has the best S&C in the country but if there were a poll of these coaches (and I'm sure there is) Klein might not even make the top 20. Maybe Klein is a diamond in the rough and almost anything can be done through S&C programs, but somehow I doubt it.
 




LonelyIowaGopher said:
If the current Gopher team isn't the best group of athletes Jerry Kill has ever coached--by far--Minnesota is in for a rough ride over the next few years. I just don't buy what is being said by many posters here and, at times, Kill himself regarding the level of talent he has inherited.
Click to expand...

This is the Big Ten. It may be the best group of athletes, but the competition just got a lot harder. I think Kill may know just a little bit more about this team than you do.[/QUOTE]
 

I just Kill's comments doesn't scare away ticket buyers. You know how gun shy Minnesota fans are about buying tickets to Gopher games--among the most shy in the Big 10 (by far).
 

LonelyIowaGopher said:
I just Kill's comments doesn't scare away ticket buyers. You know how gun shy Minnesota fans are about buying tickets to Gopher games--among the most shy in the Big 10 (by far).
Click to expand...

No, they don't scare away ticket buyers. No one expects a new coach of a team that only won three games to win a lot of games in his first year. If he tried to hype up the 2011 record, people wouldn't buy it. He's getting a lot of respect for being straight up with people.
 

I am starting to research S&C programs throughout the country and the Big 10 and, boy, Eric Klein better be one heck of a coach. He came with Jerry Kill from NIU and hired only one new person to work with him--Chad Pearson, Klein's assistant at NIU.

Contrast this with what Coach Hoke is bringing to Michigan. Hoke retained a twenty-year S&C veteran at Michigan, Coach Plocki, to serve as an assistant in the S&C area. Hoke named his own long-time S&C coach, Aaron Wellman, to head S&C training at Michigan. Wellman then hired the three following individuals:
Coach Naylor--former head S&C coach at Ball State (two years)
Coach Hillman--former head S&C coach at Bowling Green (ten years)
Corry Twine--assistant S&C coach at West Virginia in 2010

Kill keeps talking about Klein performing miracles. He looks as though it will take one for Minnesota to become more competitive in the S&C area.
 



Lonely, how in the world does Michigan hiring a bunch of S&C guys mean Kill's guy sucks? Did you ever stop to think that the U doesn't pay for 5 S&C coaches like Michigan does and that might be why he didn't bring anyone else with him? Also, the fact that Michigan hired a bunch of folks doesn't speak to the qualifications of Klein.

And you've officially reached gold04 status with your alternating mood swings between "mad at the world for not being as positive as me" to "OMG the sky is falling and our S&C coach isn't going to get it done". I don't know what you need to level yourself out, but please, try something. For everyone's sake.
 

It is February

Guys, it is February. We don't play a game that counts for seven months. We have a lot of work to do. Come August his message to the team will change. How he talks to the media may or may not change at that time.
 

Rouser4eVA said:
Psychologically speaking, in order to facilitate change, this team must move from pre-contemplation, where there is no awareness of a need for change to a phase called contemplation, where the awareness is real. We have a need to change how we do things around here. From contemplation, we'll move through preparation, where we will enact a detailed plan to facilitate change. We are in the midst of the action phase, where Coach Klein is modifying behavior and adjusting attitudes to that of a winner. Once Coach Kill has got some wins and the attitude is taking hold, maintenance ensures the habits and attitudes of winning become a part of the psyche of the team.

How's that make y'all feel? Transtheoretical Model, baby.
Click to expand...

My simple mind prefers: evaluate football talent; work the tails off of said football talent; have said football talent kick the crap out of the football talent of the teams immediately to our east and also south, and others of course; collect various momentos of such butt kickings such as axes, pigs, jugs, and bells; and repeat!
 

46Gophers said:
My simple mind prefers: evaluate football talent; work the tails off of said football talent; have said football talent kick the crap out of the football talent of the teams immediately to our east and also south, and others of course; collect various momentos of such butt kickings such as axes, pigs, jugs, and bells; and repeat!
Click to expand...

Or what he said :)
 

LonelyIowaGopher said:
I am starting to research S&C programs throughout the country and the Big 10 and, boy, Eric Klein better be one heck of a coach. He came with Jerry Kill from NIU and hired only one new person to work with him--Chad Pearson, Klein's assistant at NIU.

Contrast this with what Coach Hoke is bringing to Michigan. Hoke retained a twenty-year S&C veteran at Michigan, Coach Plocki, to serve as an assistant in the S&C area. Hoke named his own long-time S&C coach, Aaron Wellman, to head S&C training at Michigan. Wellman then hired the three following individuals:
Coach Naylor--former head S&C coach at Ball State (two years)
Coach Hillman--former head S&C coach at Bowling Green (ten years)
Corry Twine--assistant S&C coach at West Virginia in 2010

Kill keeps talking about Klein performing miracles. He looks as though it will take one for Minnesota to become more competitive in the S&C area.
Click to expand...

Pantherhawk - You are so predictable. You start out trying to befriend people and then slowly but surely begin to spew out your anti Gopher crap. What a pathletic life you must lead. You really need to seek professional help.
 

Translation

"Psychologically speaking, in order to facilitate change, this team must move from pre-contemplation, where there is no awareness of a need for change to a phase called contemplation, where the awareness is real. We have a need to change how we do things around here. From contemplation, we'll move through preparation, where we will enact a detailed plan to facilitate change. We are in the midst of the action phase, where Coach Klein is modifying behavior and adjusting attitudes to that of a winner. Once Coach Kill has got some wins and the attitude is taking hold, maintenance ensures the habits and attitudes of winning become a part of the psyche of the team.” = “evaluate football talent; work the tails off of said football talent; have said football talent kick the crap out of the football talent of the teams immediately to our east and also south, and others of course; collect various mementos of such butt kickings such as axes, pigs, jugs, and bells; and repeat!”

You can say it anyway you want but there you have Jerry Kill’s plan for the Golden Gophers. You got to like it!
 

Coach Kill will have a profound impact in the lives of these kids long after they leave college. What a great guy, he genuinely cares about the players as people. This will rub off on those around him. He does remind me of Goldy, he is the ultimate Gopher. I mean that in a good way. I think that if the Gophers can play like they did the last two games of the season it bodes well for them with the S&C and the coaching that they will surely pull off a few surprises next season.
 

Killjoy,
I'm not pantherhawk. I've been a Gopher fan since 1960. Try being one in Iowa for one week, let alone almost forty years like I have. I came to this web site full of hope for Jerry Kill and the Gophers. The Gopherhole has taught me to be skeptical (at best) about all things positive regarding Minnesota football. I'm the one who needs psychological help?
I'm now convinced Minnesota football fans (both Vikings and Gophers) are among the most bitter, angry and negative in the country. Vikings "fans" (season ticketholders, no less) routinely sell their Metrodome seats to Wisconsin fans when the Packers come to town. That's pathetic, not my posts about such facts of life in Minnesota.
If the Gophers weren't hosting Nebraska, Iowa and Wisconsin this year they'd have no sellouts at TCF stadium in 2011--which only seats 50,000 people. That's my fault?
As for S &C coaches, Jerry Kill is blowing smoke when he says Minnesota now has the best S&C staff in the country. It doesn't and I'll prove it with my research--I've already started with the facts I've found out about Michigan's new program that I posted above and to which you responded so emotionally.
Being positive just doesn't pay on this web site. There's too much bitterness, anger and negativity here. That's the sickness.
 

LonelyIowaGopher

If you are not Pantherhawk, then you are taking this site way too seriously and personally. Your mood swings make it difficult for other people to understand what you are trying to do or say. You need to lighten up and let go of your agenda.
 

Killjoy,
I don't have mood swings, I just react (as most people here do) to what's being said at this web site. I started out as a new, very enthusiastic poster and was met with negativity and personal insults. I insulted no one until they started insulting me.

The biggest change in my approach (it's not a mood swing) is to join the crowd here and be more "realistic" about Gopher football. I still try to start threads that are fact based. Is it the facts surrounding Coach Hoke's S&C staff that upset people or that I posted them? Who cares who posts what here? Facts are facts. Adults would discuss them. But that doesn't typically happen here. People do everything but discuss the facts.

I start threads here. I haven't seen a rule yet about the limits on threads started at this web site. From the beginning, my starting a number of threads drives some people crazy. Why? I have told people repeatedly to ignore my threads and posts if they like but people don't get the concept--it's a pretty complicated one, I guess.

I like Jerry Kill. But he's either delusional about his S&C staff or is blowing smoke. Coach Hoke's new staff includes three former head S&C coaches from MAC schools. Could NIU have known more than the other three, successful MAC teams combined?

Kill has also been disrespecting Tim Brewster's efforts. It was a farce that Brewster was hired as a head coach at a BCS school with his lack of qualifications. But he had some outstanding coordinators who worked for him (his first OC, Ted Roof, Horton and so forth). They improved recruiting. Do you think Brewster hired the worst S&C coach he could find? That coach came from Oklahoma. Do you think Oklahoma knows anything about S&C staffing. The new Indiana coach picked up Brewster's guy almost immediately because they'd worked together at Oklahoma.

I will continue to post here until I'm banned. But what would I be banned for? Excessive negativity? At this web site? I will give as good as I get. Which brings me to Highwayman. He gives $2,000 a year to Gopher athletics. You don't even have to ask him. He'll just tell you.
 

LonelyIowaGopher

You need to find another windmill.
 

You're undoubtedly right. Improving the discourse at Gopherhole is probably hopeless. But would Jerry Kill give up after just a few weeks?
 

BS-o-meter

LonelyIowaGopher said:
Killjoy,
Is it the facts surrounding Coach Hoke's S&C staff that upset people or that I posted them? Who cares who posts what here? Facts are facts. Adults would discuss them. But that doesn't typically happen here. People do everything but discuss the facts.

I like Jerry Kill. But he's either delusional about his S&C staff or is blowing smoke. Coach Hoke's new staff includes three former head S&C coaches from MAC schools. Could NIU have known more than the other three, successful MAC teams combined?
Click to expand...

Um...sorry... The only FACTS you posted were that Hoke's S&C staff is larger and has more years in the business than Kill's. It is your apparent opinion that that fact translates directly into them being better at their job. You offered no FACTS whatsoever to support that opinion. If MN even stays even with MI over the next few years, it will indicate that Klein is better as he would then be getting the same results with fewer people and less money.

So I am unimpressed with your grasp of "facts" and how to apply them. And frankly, only a few people attacked you initially and I thought it was unwarranted (that unfortunately happens on Internet message boards). But your blatant over-reaction to those few has turned off many of us who were inclined to support you, initially. The fact that you can't see that GH is generally positive with a dose realism (despite a few, very persistent exceptions) is puzzling. Your choice to move to the dark side is annoying and not contributing anything useful to rational discussion of facts.
 

LIG I think you need to try and work on your positivity a little bit. You're bringing the whole board down
 


BBShopGo4 said:
And frankly, only a few people attacked you initially and I thought it was unwarranted (that unfortunately happens on Internet message boards). But your blatant over-reaction to those few has turned off many of us who were inclined to support you, initially. The fact that you can't see that GH is generally positive with a dose realism (despite a few, very persistent exceptions) is puzzling. Your choice to move to the dark side is annoying and not contributing anything useful to rational discussion of facts.
Click to expand...

+1

I even thought your comments about the Gophers S&C situation were a bit Pantherhawkesque!
 

My threads are generally fact based. Reread them if you doubt that. And, I've said repeatedly, NO ONE has to read my threads. Yet hundreds do and those that comment almost never discuss the issues I bring up.

I've talked about coaches that have rebuilt programs (e.g., Fry, Snyder, Stoops and Alvarez), statistics on recruiting five star and four star athletes, the relative decline of the Big 10 Conference over the years, S&C Coaches (after having done considerable research) and so forth. Yet very few who comment have ever ideas these issues. They've complained about the number of threads I've started. Who cares? I don't. I'm just interested in getting meaningful discussions started. Once in awhile people don't hijack my thread and make intelligent comments. Why can't that be the norm? And, again, if you don't like a thread I start...don't read it. Is that too much to ask?

I'll keep posting here until I banned. It would be the greatest of ironies if I were banned for being too negative on this, of all boards. I enjoy doing the research on subjects related to rebuilding football programs. Often one has to go off site to do that because the answers to such questions sure aren't here very often. They might be if people talked a lot more about college football and a lot less about trolls, Iowa, being lonely, giving $2,000 to U athletics or whatever.
 

You must log in or register to reply here.



Top Bottom