SI: Mike Gundy has a plan to bring college football back. And it's just as absurd as you might think.

[BleedGopher]

per SI:

I would like stock tips from Noted Expert Mike Gundy. Also, some cooking recipes. Could he offer best practices to our educators? How about weighing in on the Middle East?

I’m dying to be enlightened. Really.

Clearly, Noted Expert Mike Gundy knows far more than just football. Not that he’s been great in that regard lately—his Oklahoma State teams were 15–11 the past two seasons, 8–10 in the Big 12—especially given his $5 million a year salary. But it is now abundantly obvious that labeling him a mere football coach is too limiting. He is a Renaissance man, a visionary capable of seeing solutions where others see problems, a savant so cleverly disguised as a mullet-haired meathead.

Take, for example, the wisdom Noted Expert Mike Gundy dispensed upon the masses Tuesday in a media teleconference. When the only topic that matters in today’s world came up—the global COVID-19 pandemic—he flexed his intellectual prowess. He showcased his grasp of public health, economics, the workings of higher education, college athletics in general and other topics.

"The NCAA, the presidents of the universities, the Power 5 conference commissioners, the athletic directors need to be meeting right now and we need to start coming up with answers," Noted Expert Mike Gundy said. "In my opinion, if we have to bring our players back, test them. They're all in good shape. They're all 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22-year-olds. They're healthy. A lot of them can fight it off with their natural body, the antibodies and the build that they have. There's some people that are asymptomatic. If that's true, then we sequester them. And people say that's crazy. No, it's not crazy because we need to continue and budget and run money through the state of Oklahoma."

Noted Expert Mike Gundy isn’t just talking the talk here. He is an omniscient observer with a plan. He wants to have his staff and support personnel, roughly 100 people, back to work in the Oklahoma State football facility May 1. Then the players after that.

“It might get backed up two weeks,” Noted Expert Mike Gundy allowed.

This may all come as a bit jarring to the simpletons who run Oklahoma State University, the Big 12 Conference, the town of Stillwater, the state of Oklahoma, the United States of America and the World Health Organization. Among others. But it’s not their fault they lack the foresight of the Great Rattlesnake Hunter.

Who needs Anthony Fauci when we have Gundy? Why all the worry about whether football practice can start on time in August, when the Cowboys are planning to be getting after it in May? What’s with all this conjecture about a shorter season or a delayed start when Noted Expert Mike Gundy is here to deliver football unto the masses right smack dab on time?

Like some other football coaches—including a Mr. Dabo Swinney, in Clemson, S.C.—the man in the visor has all the coronavirus answers. Just ask him.

The Oklahoma State administration weeks ago transitioned to online classes for the remainder of the spring semester, which runs through May 8. They moved graduation from May 9th to December. If they had consulted with Noted Expert Mike Gundy, these May plans might well have been salvaged. (But then again, final exams and graduations are so trivial when compared to the urgency of having the football facility fully staffed.)

Mike Gundy's Pandemic Plan Is Ridiculous

The Oklahoma State coach wants people back at the practice facility by May 1, a plan revealing his ignorance to the current reality of the coronavirus pandemic.

www.si.com

Go Gophers!!

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

 

[oak_street1981]

The truth is that many are dying with COVID-19, but almost all who perish have other health issues(old-fragile, obese, diabetic, heart/lung issues, weakened immune system) that are very serious. The co-morbidity situation is being ignored by the media who hype up the death totals.

People that are compromised die every day. Deaths "caused" by heat waves are a good example. Most of those that pass away were going to go soon regardless.

Laugh at Gundy all you want, but if the OKST team had a camp in May, with rigorous testing screening out the ill, with high risk individuals barred, quite likely not one remaining out of 200-400 camp staff/participants would likely pass away, infected or not. A few might get the virus, but they would not die, and would get it exposed to it at some point anyway

Many of us already have been exposed the virus and show no symptoms., or if we did we already recovered. Almost all of us will be exposed to it in the coming weeks no matter what we do to avoid it.

The whole (very valid) concept is minimizing a peak period of CV infection, when vulnerable people cannot be treated in an overwhelmed system.

Shutting down the world because no death is acceptable, ever is naïve and more destructive. Those who aspire to lead should major in Statistics, not social justice warrior preparedness.

Most of us are going to get exposed sooner or later, regardless of what we do. Moralistic wringing of our hands over missing the mark on some unattainable goal is a waste of our time.

 

[GoldenRodents]

Gundy is right. Therapies are converging.

You can't stop the world with stats like this...

 

[oak_street1981]

We need to focus on aggressively quarantining the high risk people in a very rigid manner, and get those that can withstand the exposure back to work immediately in all sectors.

 

[Just Gopher It!!]

We need to focus on aggressively quarantining the high risk people in a very rigid manner, and get those that can withstand the exposure back to work immediately in all sectors.

Do ies that include you? I ask honestly as when someone makes blanket statements about what other people so should/ shouldn't do I always like to check to see if they'll take the point position and lead the charge; otherwise bull feathers is my call.

 

[oak_street1981]

Do ies that include you? I ask honestly as when someone makes blanket statements about what other people so should/ shouldn't do I always like to check to see if they'll take the point position and lead the charge; otherwise bull feathers is my call.

I check my temperature 5x a day, have no symptoms and not had a cold in years. I have no known risk factors and am younger than the typical person at risk of death. My company is going to start scanning our temp. daily as we enter next week.

If I am screened and deemed to be a risk to my workplace or fans at TCF Stadium or elsewhere I will be happy to be quarantined.

Blanket statements or not, I think we are starting to move down the wrong path on this response that is stagnating the economy. The "cure worse than the illness" point is very valid.

I'll stand by my comments, and I'd be in the camp of accepting many reasonable risks to me in the best economics interests of those younger than me. I am not in favor of causing a depression to save a few of us that are living on fumes, regardless. The issues are more subtle than that.

 

[oak_street1981]

Do ies that include you? I ask honestly as when someone makes blanket statements about what other people so should/ shouldn't do I always like to check to see if they'll take the point position and lead the charge; otherwise bull feathers is my call.

yes


The truth is that many are dying with COVID-19, but almost all who perish have other health issues(old-fragile, obese, diabetic, heart/lung issues, weakened immune system) that are very serious. The co-morbidity situation is being ignored by the media who hype up the death totals.

People that are compromised die every day. Deaths "caused" by heat waves are a good example. Most of those that pass away were going to go soon regardless.

Laugh at Gundy all you want, but if the OKST team had a camp in May, with rigorous testing screening out the ill, with high risk individuals barred, quite likely not one remaining out of 200-400 camp staff/participants would likely pass away, infected or not. A few might get the virus, but they would not die, and would get it exposed to it at some point anyway

Many of us already have been exposed the virus and show no symptoms., or if we did we already recovered. Almost all of us will be exposed to it in the coming weeks no matter what we do to avoid it.

The whole (very valid) concept is minimizing a peak period of CV infection, when vulnerable people cannot be treated in an overwhelmed system.

Shutting down the world because no death is acceptable, ever is naïve and more destructive. Those who aspire to lead should major in Statistics, not social justice warrior preparedness.

Most of us are going to get exposed sooner or later, regardless of what we do. Moralistic wringing of our hands over missing the mark on some unattainable goal is a waste of our time
The truth is that many are dying with COVID-19, but almost all who perish have other health issues(old-fragile, obese, diabetic, heart/lung issues, weakened immune system) that are very serious. The co-morbidity situation is being ignored by the media who hype up the death totals.

People that are compromised die every day. Deaths "caused" by heat waves are a good example. Most of those that pass away were going to go soon regardless.

Laugh at Gundy all you want, but if the OKST team had a camp in May, with rigorous testing screening out the ill, with high risk individuals barred, quite likely not one remaining out of 200-400 camp staff/participants would likely pass away, infected or not. A few might get the virus, but they would not die, and would get it exposed to it at some point anyway

Many of us already have been exposed the virus and show no symptoms., or if we did we already recovered. Almost all of us will be exposed to it in the coming weeks no matter what we do to avoid it.

The whole (very valid) concept is minimizing a peak period of CV infection, when vulnerable people cannot be treated in an overwhelmed system.

Shutting down the world because no death is acceptable, ever is naïve and more destructive. Those who aspire to lead should major in Statistics, not social justice warrior preparedness.

Most of us are going to get exposed sooner or later, regardless of what we do. Moralistic wringing of our hands over missing the mark on some unattainable goal is a waste of our time

 

[oak_street1981]

Do ies that include you? I ask honestly as when someone makes blanket statements about what other people so should/ shouldn't do I always like to check to see if they'll take the point position and lead the charge; otherwise bull feathers is my call.

I am officially scared now. Yes, this is a pretty grim issue,, littered with some harsh assumptions on a hot topic lead little that satisfies anyone.

I guess everyone is dead or addled by the virus, or at least that what it seems like. I am so bored that I'd reply to a good old Wren post or even a Rick 55 political post. These are dry, grim and depressing days days.

I tried

 

[Pompous Elitist]

That’s not a plan.

Jesus, people crucified Durkin for yelling at dead weight. Now we have coaches and fans ranting about real life medical experiments with the team.

Agree on “acceptable losses” in the pursuit of life, liberty if we know what we’re dealing with. We don’t. I’m not sure everyone will be running behind you out of tunnel at the moment, just saying. And some of you have preexisting conditions, poor innate immune status you aren’t aware of.

One way to test our your robust immune system would be to volunteer down at the hospital cleaning rooms, body dispositions. Help out the staff. Other people feel like they need to wear protective gear, the fools.

 

[Just Gopher It!!]

I am officially scared now. A pretty grim issue,, littered with some harsh assumptions on a hot topic lead to nothing. I guess everyone is dead or addled by the virus. I am so bored that I'd reply to a good old Wren post or even a Rick 55 political post. These are dry, grim days.

I tried

Read a book, spend time with your loved ones, a spring cleaning etc....

Maybe some of us have more going on then to answer your nonsensical posts hours after you sent them and I'll get to them in dye time, when I've finished cleaning lint from my navel as that's about where they it most any internet postind aside from Walton rank in my schedule ever.

Cheers.

I

 

[MNVCGUY]

Gundy can always be counted on for some sort of off the rails rant.

Even if he is right on some of his points, what possible benefit is there to rushing the players and staff back by May 1st when the season is still months away and the Nation is in the grip of some of the worst waves of the Pandemic right now?

Reckless and tone deaf come to mind as thoughts on what he has to say.

Maybe his rant makes more sense if we are talking June or July but to come out with this in early April is just stupid, especially when it goes against what your conference and state has already put out there as guidelines for the short term.

 

[Just Gopher It!!]

That’s not a plan.

Jesus, people crucified Durkin for yelling at dead weight. Now we have coaches and fans ranting about real life medical experiments with the team.

Agree on “acceptable losses” in the pursuit of life, liberty if we know what we’re dealing with. We don’t. I’m not sure everyone will be running behind you out of tunnel at the moment, just saying. And some of you have preexisting conditions, poor innate immune status you aren’t aware of.

One way to test our your robust immune system would be to volunteer down at the hospital cleaning rooms, body dispositions. Help out the staff. Other people feel like they need to wear protective gear, the fools.

Gundy's scared, i think. His overall record the last 2 seasons is 18-20, I don't think that meets T-Bones expectations. Great thing about him and Knight is your athletic department and school gets all kinds of great stuff, but those guys didn't amass their fortunes By being patient. The seat in Stillwater might be a little toasty heading into this season.

I'm sure the AD and President will make the final call, however OK doesn't have any type of sheltering order (neither do MN neighbors the Dakotas or that state to the south) - tough to possibly stop the import of the virus then - unless roadblocks out used, or better yet build a wall - that way you keep the infected out and the recruits from leaving - Walton is ours, lol.

Lastly, before I enjoy another glazed donut donut, can you imagine the waiver the players and support staff would have to sign to participate in this nutjob's fantasy. Love to be a lawyer in Stillwater in that case.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Gundy's scared, i think. His overall record the last 2 seasons is 18-20, I don't think that meets T-Bones expectations. Great thing about him and Knight is your athletic department and school gets all kinds of great stuff, but those guys didn't amass their fortunes By being patient. The seat in Stillwater might be a little toasty heading into this season.

I'm sure the AD and President will make the final call, however OK doesn't have any type of sheltering order (neither do MN neighbors the Dakotas or that state to the south) - tough to possibly stop the import of the virus then - unless roadblocks out used, or better yet build a wall - that way you keep the infected out and the recruits from leaving - Walton is ours, lol.

Lastly, before I enjoy another glazed donut donut, can you imagine the waiver the players and support staff would have to sign to participate in this nutjob's fantasy. Love to be a lawyer in Stillwater in that case.

From my limited experience Oklahoma St. fans at least have it in their head that Mike is as good as they're going to get and they're going to ride him out as long as humanly possible.... but they also know that outside coaching, dude is kinda ... out there.

 

[upnorthkid]

Gundy's scared, i think. His overall record the last 2 seasons is 18-20, I don't think that meets T-Bones expectations. Great thing about him and Knight is your athletic department and school gets all kinds of great stuff, but those guys didn't amass their fortunes By being patient. The seat in Stillwater might be a little toasty heading into this season.

I'm sure the AD and President will make the final call, however OK doesn't have any type of sheltering order (neither do MN neighbors the Dakotas or that state to the south) - tough to possibly stop the import of the virus then - unless roadblocks out used, or better yet build a wall - that way you keep the infected out and the recruits from leaving - Walton is ours, lol.

Lastly, before I enjoy another glazed donut donut, can you imagine the waiver the players and support staff would have to sign to participate in this nutjob's fantasy. Love to be a lawyer in Stillwater in that case.

Exactly. This is "voluntary" and for a game. One kid dies and the University is going to take a bath, particularly when it comes out that the players felt "forced" into being tested and playing. Just because those with no known health conditions (and to those of you touting that this data is robust and highly accurate, go take a look at the actual sources on what it is based on and how the data is obtained for who has "health conditions"). A staggered reopening of the economy makes a whole lot more sense than pushing to restart a game that we watch for entertainment. Eventually yes things need to reopen, and picking how we do so will be highly important. reopening something where there is an obvious power differential existing so that some in power can make money (the NCAA, coaches, universities, etc) at the cost of those who would be at risk (the athletes) is exploitation. If your kid was on the team, would you want him trotting out there so college football can make its money? Life will go on with or without football. It is not the most important thing in the world.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Exactly. This is "voluntary" and for a game. One kid dies and the University is going to take a bath, particularly when it comes out that the players felt "forced" into being tested and playing. Just because those with no known health conditions (and to those of you touting that this data is robust and highly accurate, go take a look at the actual sources on what it is based on and how the data is obtained for who has "health conditions"). A staggered reopening of the economy makes a whole lot more sense than pushing to restart a game that we watch for entertainment. Eventually yes things need to reopen, and picking how we do so will be highly important. reopening something where there is an obvious power differential existing so that some in power can make money (the NCAA, coaches, universities, etc) at the cost of those who would be at risk (the athletes) is exploitation. If your kid was on the team, would you want him trotting out there so college football can make its money? Life will go on with or without football. It is not the most important thing in the world.

Two things that are not really related but kinda are:

1. I wonder if we see some sort of legal cover provided for places opening up under a sort of "Take your chances people." order from the government. Litigating every situation would make no sense if the government actually lifts the restrictions.

2. Most universities would be HIGHLY resistant to taking a chance like Gundy wants. They tend to be kinda risk averse. I suspect Gundy and the University and the NCAA and the Conferences are like miles apart on this issue.

 

[Just Gopher It!!]

Exactly. This is "voluntary" and for a game. One kid dies and the University is going to take a bath, particularly when it comes out that the players felt "forced" into being tested and playing. Just because those with no known health conditions (and to those of you touting that this data is robust and highly accurate, go take a look at the actual sources on what it is based on and how the data is obtained for who has "health conditions"). A staggered reopening of the economy makes a whole lot more sense than pushing to restart a game that we watch for entertainment. Eventually yes things need to reopen, and picking how we do so will be highly important. reopening something where there is an obvious power differential existing so that some in power can make money (the NCAA, coaches, universities, etc) at the cost of those who would be at risk (the athletes) is exploitation. If your kid was on the team, would you want him trotting out there so college football can make its money? Life will go on with or without football. It is not the most important thing in the world.

Perfect - rational people like u give me hope!

 

[Pompous Elitist]

From my limited experience Oklahoma St. fans at least have it in their head that Mike is as good as they're going to get and they're going to ride him out as long as humanly possible.... but they also know that outside coaching, dude is kinda ... out there.

No place is immune to these guys but Gundy would be an excellent Okie wolf pack addition to Joe Exotic, Jeff Lowe

 

[Pompous Elitist]

I think most places will end up legally immune as it can be argued (persuasively) that the virus can be picked up anywhere. It is hard to get worker’s compensation coverage for infectious disease unless the vector is only available at your place of work, think a BSL-4 level facility.

However, agree the optics of team members getting sick after practice, or meetings, or a game PR-wise can be twisted and staff/admin can be sacrificed, large settlements issued to make things go away...as we’ve seen in other areas.

 

[Plato]

I always thought Gundy was playing the role of a dumb hillbilly.
Now I know he is a dumb hillbilly.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

I always thought Gundy was playing the role of a dumb hillbilly.
Now I know he is a dumb hillbilly.

Apparently Gundy has mentioned that he likes One American News.

One American News is where you go for your news when you think Fox News is too liberal... and you're not getting enough new--- er... conspiracy theories...

 

[oak_street1981]

I am officially scared now.

from Just Gopher It:
Maybe some of us have more going on then to answer your nonsensical posts hours after you sent them and I'll get to them in dye time, when I've finished cleaning lint from my navel as that's about where they it most any internet postind aside from Walton rank in my schedule ever.

Cheers.


Maybe you should try to not read too much into what I posted, or try harder to collect your thoughts before sending another reply.

Not sure what you "have going on" but I do not care if you ever answer anything I post in "dye time" or otherwise. or I'll breathlessly await the next of what I am sure will be a non-brilliant string of posts from you that have magically sprung from your great mind since January 20th 2020.

A sliver of what Gundy said had some merit, and I do not agree with most of what he said.

Maybe you can volunteer to share some of your obviously non-nonsensical and correct thoughts with someone that cares. (the Gov maybe) He probably has a few sheep like lackeys like you at his disposal already.

What is going on is a serious group think situation , and I suspect that we are underestimating the overall impact (death rates, not just $$ in the bank) of the economic devastation and over-rating the impact of the virus in terms of death rates on otherwise healthy people.

Dr. Michael Osterholm formerly of Luther College has been all over the media, and again was on with Dan B. on KFAN last week. He stood by his assertion that 1.6M Americans were going to die due to the virus, and that all the social distancing and shutdown activity was already baked into the estimates.

Osterholm comes off as someone that always seems to think he is the smartest person in the room, and he often probably is usually the smartest guy in the room. He likely smarter than I am and Just Gopher IT is, that does not mean he is correct. I guess we will know in a few months.

Maybe I am "non-sensical' but we will see how Dr. Osterholms dire predictions from 6 days ago hold up. I guess to be a bit skeptical is a big sin now, and I need to get with the program and obey conventional wisdom as you so loyally do.

 

[BleedGopher]

Gundy chimes in:

Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy on Saturday apologized for comments he made earlier this week during a teleconference in which he talked about the national and state responses to the coronavirus pandemic.

Gundy said on Tuesday that his goal was to return to the football building on May 1 because he hoped that tests for COVID-19 would be available in a few weeks to clear both employees and players -- a proposed timetable the university and its athletic director quickly disputed.

"I have been made aware that comments from my press conference have offended some," Gundy said in a prepared statement on Saturday. "It was never my intention to offend anyone and I apologize. My first priority is and will always be the student-athletes and doing what is best for the program and the university."

Oklahoma St.'s Gundy sorry for virus comments

Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy on Saturday apologized for comments he made last week during a teleconference in which he talked about the national and state responses to the coronavirus pandemic.

www.espn.com

Go Gophers!!

 

[hello-world]

"I have been made aware that comments from my press conference have offended some," Gundy said in a prepared statement on Saturday. "It was never my intention to offend anyone and I apologize. My first priority is and will always be the student-athletes and doing what is best for the program and the university."

This guy is a tone deaf dumbass. Nobody was offended. They're just telling you to stfu and let the doctors get us through this. People putting deadlines on getting this thing under control aren't helping.

 

[A_Slab_of_Bacon]

Gundy is sorry ... not sorry.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

This guy is a tone deaf dumbass. Nobody was offended. They're just telling you to stfu and let the doctors get us through this. People putting deadlines on getting this thing under control aren't helping.

Now, I agree that Gundy's plan was dumb but he certainly received a ton of backlash that wasn't simply the kind of backlash attributed to a disagreement. We saw something similar with the reaction that people had to the UFC wanting to continue to put on events. A difference of opinion on subjects is seen as "offensive". So while I don't agree with him, I actually think you're response is a bit deaf to the tone of the discussion about this subject.

The truth of the matter is that reopening the country is going to get incredibly nasty. We were told that we all had to stay home to "flatten the curve". That really does imply that we total number of people who will be infected likely won't change because of the measures. What will be impacted is that those numbers will be more gradual than sudden.

For the next 18 months, there will be a considerable amount of illness due to COVID. It's pretty much unavoidable. We need to brace ourselves for the fact.

I do not think May 1st is realistic, but we need to start having discussions about returning to work. These discussions need to be serious with measures put in place to help those that will need to remain isolated. The entities that reopen will need absolute immunity from any liability associated with people contacting COVID. I don't think those kinds of lawsuits would be fruitful but their threats would cripple the economy.

We need to get back to work sooner rather than later. Discussions of such should not offend people. Unfortunately, we aren't really able to do this anymore so I fear the "reopening" discussion is going to get incredibly nasty with a lot of guilt tripping.

 

[Pompous Elitist]

^^^

I don’t think anyone will have success filing suit over contracting the virus as it can be contracted anywhere including at home from family. However one angle attorneys will explore and one that is probably going to be more important for employers is to comply with is OSHA regulations in terms of supplying protective masks, screens, distancing measures, etc for employees. Disease plus lack of appropriate gear could be a problem for employers, and gear is in very short supply and there is no plan to supply it anytime soon (insert political shot at DJT administration).

Some of that will turn on how scientists define the transmissibility of the virus which is still not determined. Is it transmitted only via droplet/fomite, short range aerosol (ie airborne out to 3 feet or so and transmitted via speaking at normal social distance) or is it truly airborne and internal rooms and even entire floors or HVAC zones of office buildings are contaminated with disease causing aerosols for minutes or hours after the carrier leaves (as with measles)?

All of these things will get fleshed out in time (months) but agree there are some difficult questions. Even if restrictions are lifted...I’d argue some people are too worried and those folks may not want to venture out or work until coast is clear...which could be 18+ mos.

We’re all going to catch this thing guys. Accept it and move on. The only question is how severe your experience will be, and whether the hospitals will be able take you. Let’s get the herd immunity process started sooner rather than later. Gradual exposure.