SI hating on Kill and the Gophers

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In the HOT or NOT section of Sports Illustrated, "Fool's Gold" is listed under not:

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Minnesota didn't hire Jerry Kill for this. Losers of seven of their last eight, the not-so-Golden Gophers (2-9) conclude their third straight sub -.500 season on Satirday --thanks largely to their 102nd-ranked D. Basketball, anyone?
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That's not really hating, his performance does not meet his pay. Did they really spell Saturday wrong?
 

yawn. remind me again why i give a rip what SI has to say?
 


SI didn't lie. Coach Kill should embrace this reporting as bulletin board material. Shocking the world.
 


Ski U Master said:
If it was positive you would eat it up.
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nope. wrong. i haven't read SI magazine or SI.com for what is probably years. they are almost as irrelevant now as reusse and souhan are. a relic of a by-gone era like LIFE or TIME magazine.
 

I don't see what the big deal is here. We are 2-9 and have been flat out embarrassed in several games. I expected this to be a rough year but given Kill's coaching acumen, I definitely did not expect that the play on the field would be this bad. I imagine other Gopher fans share these thoughts as well.
 


Kill said we would be bad and that we would have big time growing pains...and that is what we have seen First year QB, new Off and Def systems, all new coaches, lack of depth and overall talent and a difficult schedule...tell me again when Kill said we wouldn't suck? He has said about a thousand times that this was like the rebuilding job at SIU...which was ugly those first couple of years...SI, ESPN and STrib can suck turkey farts out of my butt for all I care...the man said what he knew to be true and it showed on the field. I am fine with the long term plan.
 



2 problems with this:

1.)My big problem is the way it is phrased, it seems to attribute all 3 of the sub -.500 seasons to Kill. Unless the reader was someone who follows college football enough to know it's his first year, it doesn't read that way at all.

2.) Basketball? Please, hockey 100%.
 

It's spot on. We didn't hire him to win 2-3 games, we all expected more. Optimism comes from the fact that the staff has delivered before and the team has played significantly better the 2nd half of the season.
 

Alvarez was 1 -10 in his first year at Wisconsin. Yup, we blew some big ones, but year by year it will get better. No question.
 

Alvarez's first season schedule was a bit different than this one. Unlike this year, The Big Ten was very good that year and there ended up being 4 co-champions (Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State) and our non-conference schedule was certainly more difficult and smaller than yours was this year. We also played a ranked Ohio State team that year. Many of the "easier games" were away games and most of the "difficult teams" we got at home.

California L
Ball State W
Temple L
(3) Michigan L
@ (25) Iowa L
@ Northwestern L
(5) Illinois L
Minnesota L
@ Indiana L
(21) Ohio State L
(24) Michigan State L

Now I'm not saying that Kill isn't going to be a good coach. I think he will be. I just want to add to sentiment that he should have been able to win more games for you guys this year than he has- especially given all of his experience as tenured head coach. I don't think it bothers much to compare his situation to Alvarez's first has a head coach at Wisconsin.
 



MorningCalmBadger said:
Alvarez's first season schedule was a bit different than this one. Unlike this year, The Big Ten was very good that year and there ended up being 4 co-champions (Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State) and our non-conference schedule was certainly more difficult and smaller than yours was this year. We also played a ranked Ohio State team that year. Many of the "easier games" were away games and most of the "difficult teams" we got at home.

California L
Ball State W
Temple L
(3) Michigan L
@ (25) Iowa L
@ Northwestern L
(5) Illinois L
Minnesota L
@ Indiana L
(21) Ohio State L
(24) Michigan State L

Now I'm not saying that Kill isn't going to be a good coach. I think he will be. I just want to add to sentiment that he should have been able to win more games for you guys this year than he has- especially given all of his experience as tenured head coach. I don't think it bothers much to compare his situation to Alvarez's first has a head coach at Wisconsin.
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I disagree; I think it is a reasonable comparison. If Kill wins 2-3 games, it will be twice or three times as many as Alvarez in his first year. The poster who said the team has played significantly better the second half of the season is on the right track - that is what you want to see. I don't know whether Kill is the answer (it has yet to be shown he can coach in the B1G), but he is such a step up from the snake oil salesman that Minnesota had previously. There is a lot to be said for a coach that recruits quality kids, for his system, and then coaches them up. Kill has done this in other settings; the question is whether he can "coach up" enough for the B1G. If I were a Gopher fan, I wouldn't be questioning much at all until after year 3; then look at progress.
 

MorningCalmBadger said:
The Big Ten was very good that year and there ended up being 4 co-champions (Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State) .
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Really? Those four co-champs each finished 6-2 in the league. I would suggest the Big Ten is better this year (unless you think your 2011 Badgers are worse than that bunch of 6-2 teams, including an Iowa team that got beat by us and blown out in the Rose Bowl, an Illinois team that got stomped by Clemson in a bowl game, an Ohio State team that lost to Air Force in a bowl game). Mich and Mich St won bowl games that year. I would generally regard the early 1990s as a very mediocre time for Big Ten football. No teams were contending for national titles, etc.

MorningCalmBadger said:
our non-conference schedule was certainly more difficult and smaller than yours was this year.

California L
Ball State W
Temple L
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You serious? Did you forget the Gophers had to play at USC? I mean that trumps those three dogmeat games of Alvarez's in 1990. Cal was okay (but you got them at home), Ball State and Temple were terrible.

Basically, in 1990, Bucky played four ranked. Minnesota in 2011 played five ranked teams. I'm failing to see how Barry's one-win season was so much more difficult.
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Kill said we would be bad and that we would have big time growing pains...and that is what we have seen First year QB, new Off and Def systems, all new coaches, lack of depth and overall talent and a difficult schedule...tell me again when Kill said we wouldn't suck? He has said about a thousand times that this was like the rebuilding job at SIU...which was ugly those first couple of years...SI, ESPN and STrib can suck turkey farts out of my butt for all I care...the man said what he knew to be true and it showed on the field. I am fine with the long term plan.
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I am fine with the long term plan with Kill (onboard), but I have to laugh about the use of the term "new coaches". I guess the point of "new" is in new coaching philosophy, or something along that line of thought. Care to elaborate on "new". Ever have a substitute teacher and actually learn more than the permanent teacher? I know it can cut the other way, but sometimes the new guy actually shows improvement in instructional ability. Not sure that has happened yet with Kill, but I am willing to give the staff much more time now that we are clearing out the deadweight of the program.
 

Did you ever take a professional golf lesson.

Your game/score gets worse before it get's better.:)
 

Virtually everything except the stadium and the uniforms is new to the players this year. All new coaches, new schemes, new practice routines, new strength training programs, new nutrition plans, new disciplinary systems, etc., etc. What the hell else would you call them except new? There's an implication in your statement that because they're experienced coaches that they should come in and win right away. With very rare exceptions like true legends Saban and Meyer, that's not how planet Earth works. If your standard is Saban or Meyer, you're going to be very disappointed virtually every time.
 

station19, speaking of golf lessons...I learned to be a par golfer...when I hit par, I quit. That generally happened between the 4th and 5th holes.
 

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