Should we be changing Head Coaches or Athletic Directors??????

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Maturi has already proven his incompetence in hiring a football coach when he passed up Pelini and Kiffin. After next year is when Brew will really get the thumbs up or thumbs down from the University. When that time comes do we really want Maturi heading up the department when this decision needs to be made? He will obviously be biased to the guy he swung and missed on. We will need a football AD to make good football decisions, we've pumped WAAAAAY too much $$$ into TCF to not try to be a "football school" from here going forward. Maturi is NOT the guy we need heading up this process and the Pres. needs to see this and act on it.
 

I call shennanigans...leading the witness.
 


Maturi won't be finished. He landed the best coach Minnesota could ever dream of with Tubby.
 



Hire whoever it would take to get Dungy to coach the team. His wife?
 

wmpp said:
Maturi won't be finished. He landed the best coach Minnesota could ever dream of with Tubby.
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Ageed. Joel underwrote his retirement with that one.

If there is a new HC, the hire may be done by committee to take the heat off JM...even though that might not be a good idea from an AD's perspective.
 

wmpp said:
Maturi won't be finished. He landed the best coach Minnesota could ever dream of with Tubby.
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Tubby fell in Maturi's lap. Everyone knows that. Tubby wanted out of Kentucky and saw an opening at a Big Ten school that has ZERO pressure to win. Maturi didn't "hire" Tubby, it was the other way around....
 




RedPoo said:
The question that implies we need to change either the HC or the AD.
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OK, thats fine, but if we go 6-6 again next year (which is extremely likely to happen) do you really want Maturi making another key football decision?? Thats all I'm saying, we all know the guy doesn't have a clue as he has already shown us. Why not go get some Asst. AD from a football school and let him make the decision? At least I hope the Pres. hires some firm to make the decision under the table.
 

sonnygarcia said:
Maturi has already proven his incompetence in hiring a football coach when he passed up Pelini and Kiffin. After next year is when Brew will really get the thumbs up or thumbs down from the University. When that time comes do we really want Maturi heading up the department when this decision needs to be made? He will obviously be biased to the guy he swung and missed on. We will need a football AD to make good football decisions, we've pumped WAAAAAY too much $$$ into TCF to not try to be a "football school" from here going forward. Maturi is NOT the guy we need heading up this process and the Pres. needs to see this and act on it.
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will say that i agree with this part 100%. deep down minnesota is not and should not be perceived as either a basketball or hockey school. don't get me wrong i like the minnesota basketball & hockey programs, but it is a football school at its core and in its long history. having a truly football centric AD (as you put it) at the U will go a long way in helping to finally re-solidify that foundation that has long been neglected by a "milk-toast" and ultra p.c. administration (basically since murray warmath left).
 

I actually haven't had too many issues with Maturi, with one exception. A few weeks ago when asked about Brewster and the football job, Maturi said something along the lines of "I'm going to be patient with a first-time head coach." This is frustrating to me not because Brewster is a first time head coach, but because Maturi hired a first-time head coach knowing full well that with a new stadium coming and a bunch of mediocre bowl showings, the fanbase was expecting a lot more of the football program in coming years.

So what does Maturi do? He hires a tight ends coach without any head coaching experience whatsoever and as of now, the results have been decidedly mediocre. And at the same time, he's preaching patience. So in other words, you knowingly hired a guy you knew would require patience to see if he can actually coach? Not exactly the best way to hire a coach at a major university with a new stadium and higher expectations than in past years.

The Tubby hire of course will be the staple of Maturi's legacy regardless. But I'm wondering what the thought process was in hiring Brewster if he's preaching "patience" three years into his tenure as head football coach.
 




Saw this tweet by Dan B. BTW - I can't stand the guy but I say DITTO to this

"1/ CLOSED-CIRCUIT TO MATURI -- Check out that offensive game plan. Check out an abominable 3-for-16 on third down. Check out 4.3 yards per pass. Check out having absolutely no capacity to deal with, or counteract, a Division 1-AA blitz. Check out ineligible man downfield and illegal formation on consecutive plays in the third quarter (wiping out gains), and two straight timeouts before the same play in the fourth. Check out having absolutely no ability to go for the jugular after getting the ball handed to your Gophers at the Jackrabbits' 11-yard line. Check out the horribly reasoned game plan in the first half a week ago. Your conclusion might be: New Offensive Coordinator Guy is in over his head.

And you would be right...and missing the big picture.

Can't keep firing coordinators, Joel. Three years into the new era, you're running out of scapegoats. At some point you have to start pointing the finger at the guy who keeps changing the coordinators.

The guy who vowed that he would have his Gophers ready to play against SOUTH DAKOTA STATE, as if there was something bold and brash about the prediction, and then not even delivering on that pathetic pledge. The guy who apparently thinks good coaching is defined as calling a timeout to ice a field goal kicker at the end of the half. And when that's your guy's most influential coaching moment almost three full seasons into his reign, then your conclusion has to be: HE'S the guy who is in so far over his head he's Herve Villechaize with a phony southern twang."
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Maturi gave us Tubby and the new stadium, plus other sports are doing well.
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i don't have very strong feelings about maturi one way or the other, but i will say he did not truly "give" us tubby smith. by most accounts tubby kind of "fell into" maturi's lap (the timing for both minnesota and tubby worked out perfectly) and it was just a lay-up from there for maturi. i am guessing all he had to do was not screw up the contract negotiations with smith.
 

i saw it too. i don't tweet personally, but i will search out tweets sometimes to see what is being posted. to me, tweeting seems to be the lowest common denominator of media and communication. it really seems to be nothing more than a cesspool of snarky comments and backstabbing.....all in 130 words or less.

a lot of media types talking sh!t on twitter and saying stuff they would never say to a coach's or athletic director's or player's face. it is like frickin' high school with most of these fools on twitter.

take a look around twitter (especially at local media personalities...radio....tv......print) and you will see what i am talking about.
 


Neither after this season, though both should be watched closely.
 

Frod0 said:
Hire whoever it would take to get Dungy to coach the team. His wife?
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If the U were somehow able to hire JC as AD, Tony Dungy still wouldn't "answer the call" to become head coach because he doesn't want to recruit.

We would all love Dungy to grow old in the role of HC at Minnesota. But the fact is, as soon as he lost his first close game to Wisconsin the usual suspects would all be ripping him on KFAN. And the same "I will not tolerate mediocrity crowd" would soon be circulating petitions.
 

People here act as though the Gophers play only one sport. Football is important and the big money-maker, but remember Maturi oversees both men's and women's athletics and the women's program certainly didn't command as much attention back in the days of Murray Warmath and Cal Stoll.
 

Maturi is garbage. Never liked him. He LUCKED into Tubby Smith and has crapped the bed with other basketball and football coaches. He is also solely responsible for having to eat Mason's contract extension.

I'd say is a poor AD.
 

How about Tony Dungy as AD? Nobody has mentioned that role.

Would be a perfect fit for him, regarding his ability to work with people and coach/mentor kids.
 

50PoundHead said:
People here act as though the Gophers play only one sport. Football is important and the big money-maker, but remember Maturi oversees both men's and women's athletics and the women's program certainly didn't command as much attention back in the days of Murray Warmath and Cal Stoll.
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I guess I don't get your point. Without football many of those other sports don't exist however. You can be rest assured that if Brewster is eventually fired that Bruininks will be the one making the decision and passing his request down to Maturi just like with Monson and Mason. Simply put, Mr. Rogers/Maturi is to nice and doesn't have the kahunas to do the ugly parts of the job unless forced to by his boss.
 

50PoundHead said:
People here act as though the Gophers play only one sport. Football is important and the big money-maker, but remember Maturi oversees both men's and women's athletics and the women's program certainly didn't command as much attention back in the days of Murray Warmath and Cal Stoll.
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then the administration needs to start treating it as such.......like they used to way back in the day.
 

Maturi took a big risk in hiring an inexperienced coach like Brewster. He knew it...we knew it. When you take a risk and it doesn't pan out you need to face the consequences. Our old friend wren may be a blowhard but he's absolutely right on one thing. If Brewster isn't the answer, I don't want Maturi hiring his replacement. He had his chance to land a top-flight football coach and blew it.

For the record, I say give Brewster 1 more year.
 

GopherGod said:
I guess I don't get your point. Without football many of those other sports don't exist however. You can be rest assured that if Brewster is eventually fired that Bruininks will be the one making the decision and passing his request down to Maturi just like with Monson and Mason. Simply put, Mr. Rogers/Maturi is to nice and doesn't have the kahunas to do the ugly parts of the job unless forced to by his boss.
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This is true. He waited way too long with Monson and got extremely lucky with Tubby. If Tubby hadn't been available the bb program may be in a different place. If he had made the Mason decision a few months earlier they would hav had greater opportunities with other candidates, or at least given Brewster time to build a better recruiting class.

While Joel Maturi may manage the day to day aspects of many parts of his job very well, his management of coaches, especially in the two top programs, has been suspect.
 

I don't know if anybody saw the USA Today webpage article/chart regarding coaches salaries across 1-A football and assistant coaches ranges, but Brewster is one of the lowest paid coaches in the Big Ten. And the assistant coaches range, while it has improved since Mason, is still well below the market rate. Guys like Ted Roof don't leave because of schsims with Tim Brewster, they leave because they get paid a lot more for the same position at a different school.

There were a lot of things I saw today that I didn't like, but we're getting exactly what we're paying for with Tim Brewster (I'd actually argue that he's overdelivering, if you look at other programs across the country).

Until this university steps up their committment to the football program (TCF Bank is a great first step, but now money into the program is the next step), a coach with a resume like Tim Brewster is what we're going to get. And any coach that we go after is going to be similar until the U steps it up. The U stepped it up with Tubby (people can argue whether he fell into us or we got him, but the U is willing to step it up in terms of salary). It's time to do it for the football program. If not, who would come here?

The committment level isn't just financial either. What coach in their right mind would come here if a coach is dismissed within 3 seasons? The question to me is this: Is it Maturi who's being a bean counter and only trying to find a coach who's on the cheap? Or is he being told to find a coach on the cheap by the people above him?

With our current committment level, I assure you that Tony Dungy is NOT coming. Phil Fulmer is NOT coming. Patterson & Petersen are NOT coming.
 

Goldmember said:
If the U were somehow able to hire JC as AD, Tony Dungy still wouldn't "answer the call" to become head coach because he doesn't want to recruit.

We would all love Dungy to grow old in the role of HC at Minnesota. But the fact is, as soon as he lost his first close game to Wisconsin the usual suspects would all be ripping him on KFAN. And the same "I will not tolerate mediocrity crowd" would soon be circulating petitions.
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Actually, that wouldn't happen. You know why? Because Tony Dungy actually has a track record of success and is a proven coach. Tim Brewster has done nothing. Nothing.
 

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