Shama: Kill is the 4th best coach in the Big Ten

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per Shama:

Jerry Kill will be in Chicago late this week for the Big Ten’s annual media days. After 21 years in coaching, including four-plus at Minnesota, where does he rank compared with the other 13 head coaches in the Big Ten?

The opinion here is that’s an easy question. Urban Meyer has won national championships at Florida and Ohio State. Rank him No. 1 in the Big Ten, if not the country. Michigan State’s Mark Dantonio has taken a program that failed for decades and turned it into a national power. He deserves the No. 2 ranking. Jim Harbaugh, now at Michigan, pulled off miracles at Stanford, and then revived the NFL’s 49ers.

Give Kill the No. 4 spot among the Big Ten’s coaches. He has an overall record of 152-99 in five head coaching jobs including Minnesota. He has won championships and coach of the year awards. Peers admire his character and would send their sons to play for him.

Get a guy who can put a staff together, recruit, coach X’s and O’s, motivate, raise money and charm the public, and all of a sudden the change at a losing program is more than cosmetic. That’s what Kill has done at Minnesota. His staff is not only good but has been together longer than just about any in recent major college football history. Kill and staff have identified and recruited talent that has played better than early evaluations predicted. Part of that success has come from the teaching of fundamentals and techniques, and then on gameday coming up with strategies to maximize success.

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Bull **** he's a better coach than harbaugh. Cant wait until he flames out at scUM
 


BleedGopher said:
per Shama:
Give Kill the No. 4 spot among the Big Ten’s coaches. He has an overall record of 152-99 in five head coaching jobs including Minnesota. He has won championships and coach of the year awards. Peers admire his character and would send their sons to play for him.


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What championships is Shama referring to?
 



bemidjigopher said:
Bull **** he's a better coach than harbaugh. Cant wait until he flames out at scUM
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Whether he does flame out or doesn't, remains to be seen.

I will say that I don't think David Shaw, his successor, his former O Coordinator (Stanford) and Passing Game Coordinator (San Diego), doesn't get enough accolades when referencing the "Stanford Turn Around".

Harbaugh has won 2 Conference Titles in his collegiate coaching career (2 Pioneer League Titles with San Diego).

He is IMO, a media darling that likes to "stir the pot" and will be heavily featured in B1G Media Days. He will say something to stoke the tOSU rivalry even more. He will find out though, that there are other "good" coaches in the Conference (Kill among them) that will simply ignore his antics, strap the helmets on, and won't take any crap on the field.

So much of his "collegiate" career is based on he and Carroll being emotional prior to and during the games where they squared off.
 


Nate said:
What championships is Shama referring to?
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Jerry Kill's Championships:

1989 Missouri 4A State Championship with Webb City
2002-04 Gateway Football Conference Championships with SIU
2010 MAC West Championship with NIU
 

For what it is worth, I think Harbaugh is not only one of the best coaches in the B1G, but I think he is one of the best coaches in football. What he has done over the last 10 years or so shouldn't be outweighed by his arrogance and personality.
U of San Diego, he went 7-4, 11-1, 11-1
Stanford was 1-11 prior to him arriving, they went 4-8, 5-7, 8-5, 12-1.
San Francisco hadn't had a winning record for eight seasons, he gets there and goes 13-3 losing in NFC Champ, 11-4-1 losing in the Super Bow, 12-4 losing in the NFC Champ, and then 8-8 in last year's debacle.

If Harbaugh would have came to Minnesota to coach we would have all been ecstatic.
 



Harbaugh rubs people the wrong way so they can't see the fact that the guy can coach. He will have Michigan back to national prominence in a short time.
 

Harbaugh can coach, there is no doubt about it. It is yet to be seen if he can coach at Michigan.
 

bemidjigopher said:
Bull **** he's a better coach than harbaugh. Cant wait until he flames out at scUM
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Maybe, but only one has coached his team to a Rose Bowl. Time will show. I think Harbaugh is a hell of a coach and Michigan will be relevant again, but we'll see.
 




Kuato Lives! said:
Yes, but his track record strongly suggests that he can.
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Definitely. I will be more surprised if he fails at Michigan than if he succeeds. But, there's a non-negligible chance that Michigan could prove to be a strange beast for him. Extremely high expectations right off the bat, and playing in a division where there are three other extremely good teams that look to be extremely good through the near future (OSU, MSU, PSU). Hasn't had to deal with a situation like that in the past (at least, when he didn't have Andrew Luck running the show).
 

Kuato Lives! said:
Yes, but his track record strongly suggests that he can.
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Exactly - I don't get where this notion that Harbaugh will fail at Michigan comes from. He has coached at multiple levels (including on stages bigger than Michigan) and has been very successful at all of them. It's certainly possible that he flames out, but I don't see it happening. It seems like wishful thinking. Though it would've never happened in a million years, this board would be ridiculously euphoric if Harbaugh were our coach right now.
 

The Guy (Harbaugh) hasn't done a thing in his current job, but he ranks third? For the term of this discussion, I'm from Missouri. Show me, don't tell me.
 

re3886 said:
The Guy (Harbaugh) hasn't done a thing in his current job, but he ranks third? For the term of this discussion, I'm from Missouri. Show me, don't tell me.
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By your own logic how could kill be rated higher than 4th having never finished better than 4th at his current school?
 

re3886 said:
The Guy (Harbaugh) hasn't done a thing in his current job, but he ranks third? For the term of this discussion, I'm from Missouri. Show me, don't tell me.
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Where would you rank Saban if he and Meyer swapped jobs right before the season started? He couldn't possibly be #1 because he wouldn't have accomplished a thing at his new job yet, right?

People like you just don't like him because of his sideline antics and personality.
 

What matters is who is the best coach to coach Minnesota? Meyer is a great coach but how would he deal with Minnesota specific issues like lack of dollars, possible weak administrative support, recruiting 2-3 star recruits and coaching up etc..? I would listen to an argument for Dantonio but there is no way I would rather have Meyer or Harbaugh coach at Minnesota in 2015.
 

Winnipegopher said:
What matters is who is the best coach to coach Minnesota? Meyer is a great coach but how would he deal with Minnesota specific issues like lack of dollars, possible weak administrative support, recruiting 2-3 star recruits and coaching up etc..? I would listen to an argument for Dantonio but there is no way I would rather have Meyer or Harbaugh coach at Minnesota in 2015.
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Harbaugh and Meyer both have plenty of experience winning with lesser recruits, lack of funding and administrative support, etc. - Harbaugh at San Diego and (initially) Stanford, Meyer at Bowling Green and Utah. I would take either in a heartbeat at Minnesota over Jerry Kill and it's absurd (imo) to even consider arguing otherwise.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Harbaugh and Meyer both have plenty of experience winning with lesser recruits, lack of funding and administrative support, etc. - Harbaugh at San Diego and (initially) Stanford, Meyer at Bowling Green and Utah. I would take either in a heartbeat at Minnesota over Jerry Kill and it's absurd (imo) to even consider arguing otherwise.
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It's not absurd at all. Kill is the perfect coach for us and I'm not sure there's another coach in the league that would be a better fit for us specifically.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Harbaugh and Meyer both have plenty of experience winning with lesser recruits, lack of funding and administrative support, etc. - Harbaugh at San Diego and (initially) Stanford, Meyer at Bowling Green and Utah. I would take either in a heartbeat at Minnesota over Jerry Kill and it's absurd (imo) to even consider arguing otherwise.
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I hear you but stand by my position. The only similar school is Stanford, and they have a unique example of providing BCS football with a world class academic reputation.

Utah would have been a big player in whatever conference they were in when Meyer was there, while San Diego and Bowling Green would be average in resources to the rest of their conferences.

If I were a Michigan man I would be a little worried about Harbaugh. He just seems a little off to me.
 

Winnipegopher said:
I hear you but stand by my position. The only similar school is Stanford, and they have a unique example of providing BCS football with a world class academic reputation.

Utah would have been a big player in whatever conference they were in when Meyer was there, while San Diego and Bowling Green would be average in resources to the rest of their conferences.

If I were a Michigan man I would be a little worried about Harbaugh. He just seems a little off to me.
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stop drinking
 

re3886 said:
The Guy (Harbaugh) hasn't done a thing in his current job, but he ranks third? For the term of this discussion, I'm from Missouri. Show me, don't tell me.
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Dude took a garbage Stanford program to an Orange Bowl win, and then a garbage SF 49ers team (8 straight .500 or worse finishes) to the Super Bowl and 3 straight NFC Championship games. Pretty sure he can coach.
 

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For Minnesota, Kill has turned out to be the best choice Maturi could have made (did I really write that?).
 

Urban Meyer and Jim Harbaugh will be the best two things to the Big Ten. Two of the absolute best in the business, bring National reputation to the B1G, and will raise the level of coaching out of every other coach in the league.

I love Kill, but I guarantee it makes him a better coach when he has to prepare against an Urban Meyer led team.

Also, by the logic from the poster above: If Urban Meyer took a job at Eagan High School, he wouldn't be the best coach in the South Suburban Conference because he hasn't proved anything at that level?
 


dpodoll68 said:
Harbaugh and Meyer both have plenty of experience winning with lesser recruits, lack of funding and administrative support, etc. - Harbaugh at San Diego and (initially) Stanford, Meyer at Bowling Green and Utah. I would take either in a heartbeat at Minnesota over Jerry Kill and it's absurd (imo) to even consider arguing otherwise.
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That's apples to oranges, in the MAC all those schools are underfunded compared to Power5 conferences. Utah wasn't a Pac 12 school under Meyer and were just as well funded if not better than their Mountain West counterparts. Minnesota has laughably been underfunded as a football program compared to it's big ten peers. Harbough and Meyer compared to their conference peers, except for Stanford initially have not.
 

Nobody saying Harbough a bad coach. I am just not going to put him in the top three before he coaches a big ten game. He could be a home run, he's everything Michigan wants, mainly because he's a Michigan man, but Rich Rod had a great run at West Virginia, flamed out and than as revived himself at Arizona. Hoke, a Michigan man, Loyd Carr assistant for the 97 team, had a great run at San Diego State, was mot coveted coach on a market, also crashed and burned at Michigan. It's a tough job, with unrealistic expectations from fans stuck in the Woody vs. Bo era. They're the Nebraska of the east. Michigan State and Ohio state aren't going anywhere in the near future and success to that program will be defined by victory vs those opponents, no matter whose in charge.
 


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