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Hey everyone I am new to the board but I am now living in Texas and wanted to stay connected to MN sports so I joined this to keep my sanity from all the UT stuff....so we all know we lost some scoring power in Westbrook and Johnson last year so who do you think will have to pick it up this year for the Gophs to be successful......obviously answer Blake and Devoe but let go outside of those two. Who can step up and score for them??
 

RS3 i predict to be around 10 ppg, mbakwe around 10 ppg, and wildcard ill go with rodney williams 8 ppg, mo walker 6 ppg, hollins 6 ppg
 

houstongopher said:
Hey everyone I am new to the board but I am now living in Texas and wanted to stay connected to MN sports so I joined this to keep my sanity from all the UT stuff....so we all know we lost some scoring power in Westbrook and Johnson last year so who do you think will have to pick it up this year for the Gophs to be successful......obviously answer Blake and Devoe but let go outside of those two. Who can step up and score for them??
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Ralph. Hopefully Devoe gets the injury bug taken care of before the season starts. I don't think Blake is someone you can plan on to 'step up and score'. He's great to have on our team, but not a guy that is going to create by forcing the issue... could have 20 in a game, or could have 2. Can't imagine he flirts with his efficiency figures from last year.
 

Good call with Blake he is obviously a hit or miss guy but for them he will still need to knock down 2 or 3 long balls a game. I think that is the part of this team that is unknown we all know they weren't the best offensively last year
 

I'm looking for big Colt to continue where he left off late last season. I like Ralph a lot and think he will have a very good season, but I'm really looking forward to seeing Colt and Trevor playing together.
 


If Devoe is healthy, he's the #1 option on offense. Ralph and Colt will both get looks and be encouraged by the staff to try and make something happen. Hoff is an efficiency guy and a guy to keep the defense honest, but he's not going to score big against good defensive teams. Mbakwe will score with his sheer strength and athleticism.

If Nolen's jumper is improved, or if he can just make a #(&@ing layup, it would be huge. If Hollins can contribute right away, that would be big. But Rodney is our only big wing right now, so if he can reign in his shot selection a bit, hit from the outside more consistently, and dribble now and then, it would be huge.

Right now, the only proven guys in my mind are Devoe and Ralph, but there are reasons to be optimistic about the others. Hopefully at least one of the other guys can step up consistently.
 


There are over 330 NCAA D1 schools, I think the chances that of all of those teams, we block the most shots, is high... Our defense will be very good.
 

houstongopher said:
Hey everyone I am new to the board but I am now living in Texas and wanted to stay connected to MN sports so I joined this to keep my sanity from all the UT stuff....so we all know we lost some scoring power in Westbrook and Johnson last year so who do you think will have to pick it up this year for the Gophs to be successful......obviously answer Blake and Devoe but let go outside of those two. Who can step up and score for them??
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Blake, Devoe, Trevor, Rodney, and Ralph all potential Double Digit (10+) PPG scorers. Nolen and Colt should be close to that number.
 



Devoe is currently our most polished scorer, but he lacks the athleticism/handle to get all the way to the rim against most top competition.
Ralph has more post moves than Colton and a softer touch, but he also is easier to push out of the lane.
Colton's offensive game is limited, but what he does have was becoming very effective late in the year.
Blake is a dependent scorer, if we can get him open looks he will score.
Al is the only guy on the team that I know can get to the rack from the 3 point line off the bounce. Jumper is shaky at best though.
Rodney is all potential right now if he can develop a consistent jumper and/or a good enough handle to take guys to the rack...watch out.
Trevor- Don't know what to expect from him offensively as I have not seen him play in a long time.

My hope for the season is that one of the two centers improves to the point where they can get 15 on anybody. If that happens, teams will double and we can kick it out to Blake/Devoe.
 

Colt

I find it interesting that so many throw out Ralph ahead of Iverson. Iverson was a beast down the stretch and I see no reason why that will stop.

Ralph has tons of potential but I think Iverson will actually be the one catching the scouts eyes before things are all said and done.
 

EG#9 said:
Devoe is currently our most polished scorer, but he lacks the athleticism/handle to get all the way to the rim against most top competition.
Ralph has more post moves than Colton and a softer touch, but he also is easier to push out of the lane.
Colton's offensive game is limited, but what he does have was becoming very effective late in the year.
Blake is a dependent scorer, if we can get him open looks he will score.
Al is the only guy on the team that I know can get to the rack from the 3 point line off the bounce. Jumper is shaky at best though.
Rodney is all potential right now if he can develop a consistent jumper and/or a good enough handle to take guys to the rack...watch out.
Trevor- Don't know what to expect from him offensively as I have not seen him play in a long time.

My hope for the season is that one of the two centers improves to the point where they can get 15 on anybody. If that happens, teams will double and we can kick it out to Blake/Devoe.
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Strongly disagree. Colt has a very good up-and-under move and Ralph doesn't even do post moves unless you call a hook shot a post move. Everything else is pretty accurate to me though.
 

i know many people are on the colt bandwagon, i am, but its pretty obvious sampson is better in terms of scoring. I wont put colt ahead of sampson until i see him prove it this season
 



Colton may me more limited in terms of range, but I think he has more post moves than Ralph. Ralph really just has the jump hook which he can't hit if the defender is physical or else he's extremely close to the basket. Colton, at least down the stretch, was able to change it up with spins, pivoting, patience, etc.

EG#9 said:
Devoe is currently our most polished scorer, but he lacks the athleticism/handle to get all the way to the rim against most top competition.
Ralph has more post moves than Colton and a softer touch, but he also is easier to push out of the lane.
Colton's offensive game is limited, but what he does have was becoming very effective late in the year.
Blake is a dependent scorer, if we can get him open looks he will score.
Al is the only guy on the team that I know can get to the rack from the 3 point line off the bounce. Jumper is shaky at best though.
Rodney is all potential right now if he can develop a consistent jumper and/or a good enough handle to take guys to the rack...watch out.
Trevor- Don't know what to expect from him offensively as I have not seen him play in a long time.

My hope for the season is that one of the two centers improves to the point where they can get 15 on anybody. If that happens, teams will double and we can kick it out to Blake/Devoe.
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Rouser said:
I find it interesting that so many throw out Ralph ahead of Iverson. Iverson was a beast down the stretch and I see no reason why that will stop.

Ralph has tons of potential but I think Iverson will actually be the one catching the scouts eyes before things are all said and done.
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+1
 

I don't care which one is scoring down low as long as they get some better production from inside because as we can all see, scoring consistently from the outside will not be as easy as last year....hopefully Tubby has some good sets to run because I can't see this group scoring in the half court using a motion offense they will need structure
 

Go Gophs eh? said:
i know many people are on the colt bandwagon, i am, but its pretty obvious sampson is better in terms of scoring. I wont put colt ahead of sampson until i see him prove it this season
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A lot of the optimism is because Colton outperformed Ralph down the stretch (final 7 games):

@ Mich: Colton 10pts; Ralph 7pts
vs. IA: Colton 9pts; Ralph 4pts
vs. PSU (BTT): Colton 12pts; Ralph 8pts
vs. MSU (BTT): Colton 12pts; Ralph 0pts
vs. PU (BTT): Colton 11pts; Ralph 13pts
vs. OSU (BTT): Colton 6pts; Ralph 6pts
vs. Xav (NCAA): Colton 5pts; Ralph 5pts

There are two guys on this roster who will be capable of producing double-doubles on a frequent basis. The most likely is Trevor, the next is Colton. Ralph comes in a distant third.
 

tjgopher said:
A lot of the optimism is because Colton outperformed Ralph down the stretch (final 7 games):

@ Mich: Colton 10pts; Ralph 7pts
vs. IA: Colton 9pts; Ralph 4pts
vs. PSU (BTT): Colton 12pts; Ralph 8pts
vs. MSU (BTT): Colton 12pts; Ralph 0pts
vs. PU (BTT): Colton 11pts; Ralph 13pts
vs. OSU (BTT): Colton 6pts; Ralph 6pts
vs. Xav (NCAA): Colton 5pts; Ralph 5pts

There are two guys on this roster who will be capable of producing double-doubles on a frequent basis. The most likely is Trevor, the next is Colton. Ralph comes in a distant third.
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Colton put up more points with 6 less minutes per game (42 mins less over those 7 games). If that trend carriers over to this season I would expect Colt to get equal if not more minutes.
 

a distant third? im sorry but look at the whole season, please. (and for the record i love colton coming into his game, but underselling RS3 is a farce.)
Sampson- 8.2 ppg. Colt- 5.0 ppg
Sampson- 5.8 rpg. Colt- 4.4 rpg
Sampson- 1.9 apg Colt- .6 apg
Sampson- 1.6 bpg and .5 spg Colt- .9 bpg and .3 spg
don't doubt sampson's abilities, especially if he worked hard all summer on stength and his post game

to add this is a really good problem to have, agree?
 

Go Gophs eh? said:
a distant third? im sorry but look at the whole season, please. (and for the record i love colton coming into his game, but underselling RS3 is a farce.)
Sampson- 8.2 ppg. Colt- 5.0 ppg
Sampson- 5.8 rpg. Colt- 4.4 rpg
Sampson- 1.9 apg Colt- .6 apg
Sampson- 1.6 bpg and .5 spg Colt- .9 bpg and .3 spg
don't doubt sampson's abilities, especially if he worked hard all summer on stength and his post game

to add this is a really good problem to have, agree?
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Sampson - 12.8 P/40 ¦ Iverson - 11.8 P/40
Sampson - 9.1 RB/40 ¦ IVerson - 10.4 RB/40
Sampson - 3 A/40 ¦ Iverson - 1.4 A/40
Sampson - 2.5 B/40 ¦ Iverson - 2.2 B/40
Sampson - 0.8 B/40 ¦ IVerson - 0.7 B/40

Iverson's last seven games: 19 P/40, 8.1 R/40, 0.9 A/40, 3.5 B/40
 

Go Gophs eh? said:
a distant third? im sorry but look at the whole season, please. (and for the record i love colton coming into his game, but underselling RS3 is a farce.)
Sampson- 8.2 ppg. Colt- 5.0 ppg
Sampson- 5.8 rpg. Colt- 4.4 rpg
Sampson- 1.9 apg Colt- .6 apg
Sampson- 1.6 bpg and .5 spg Colt- .9 bpg and .3 spg
don't doubt sampson's abilities, especially if he worked hard all summer on stength and his post game

to add this is a really good problem to have, agree?
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I'm not underselling RS3's overall game. He's a fairly skilled big. I'm simply looking ONLY in regard to double-doubles. Trevor is clearly the guy who would have the best chance to get them. Colton will get his share of double-doubles as his minutes increase and as he learns to stay out of foul trouble.. Ralph is third because his minutes won't increase by much (and in fact with Trevor around RS3 min could decrease), and RS3's rebounding abilities just won't get him to double digits as much. RS3 has two career double-doubles. Colton had two last year and a few near misses late in the season.
 

tjgopher said:
A lot of the optimism is because Colton outperformed Ralph down the stretch (final 7 games):

@ Mich: Colton 10pts; Ralph 7pts
vs. IA: Colton 9pts; Ralph 4pts
vs. PSU (BTT): Colton 12pts; Ralph 8pts
vs. MSU (BTT): Colton 12pts; Ralph 0pts
vs. PU (BTT): Colton 11pts; Ralph 13pts
vs. OSU (BTT): Colton 6pts; Ralph 6pts
vs. Xav (NCAA): Colton 5pts; Ralph 5pts

There are two guys on this roster who will be capable of producing double-doubles on a frequent basis. The most likely is Trevor, the next is Colton. Ralph comes in a distant third.
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Looking at this and this alone. It appears that Colt is not as prolific when the team is struggling (OSU & Xav. It would be nice to see him take on an attitude of "come on guys - win through me". He is a junior and looks to have the physical ability to take a lot onto those shoulders.
 

MN1nAZ said:
Looking at this and this alone. It appears that Colt is not as prolific when the team is struggling (OSU & Xav. It would be nice to see him take on an attitude of "come on guys - win through me". He is a junior and looks to have the physical ability to take a lot onto those shoulders.
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Remember, Colton had the flu vs. Xavier and played only 17 minutes.
 

Let's add in a few more statistics...

Iverson:
4 games with 4 or more turnovers in 2009-10 (0 for Ralph)
Averaged 3.2 TO/40 mins last year (and 3.1 frosh year... Ralph averaged 2.4 in 2009-10)
74/143 from the line over two years.. 52%
4.7 fouls per 40
2009-10 games he played more than 20 mins: 8
 


Next year I see Devoe around 12, Hoff 12, Nolen 10, Colt 10, Trevor 9, Sampson 8, Rodney 8, Hollins 4. Rebounding Trevor 8, colt 6, Ralph 6, Rodney 5. I see us leading the big ten in blocks again.
 

Looking at his numbers vs Xavier don't tell the whole story. He was a beast in the first half and then didn't play much.

MN1nAZ said:
Looking at this and this alone. It appears that Colt is not as prolific when the team is struggling (OSU & Xav. It would be nice to see him take on an attitude of "come on guys - win through me". He is a junior and looks to have the physical ability to take a lot onto those shoulders.
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One element the Gophers really need to add is toughness. We're a little soft, not Monson soft, but still lacking some toughness. By all accounts, Trevor is going to add that to the Gophers. If our primary 3-man big-man rotation is Trevor, Colton & Ralph, if I'm Ralph I better be more willing to provide a consistent physical presence or Trevor (at minimum) is going to gobble up some of my minutes.
 

If we could replay Xavier with Nolen and Trevor, I wander if the outcome would be different? Nolen's perimeter defense and Trevor's physical presence? Of course next year we have lost Johnson's defense, and the only canidate with his lankiness to cover the wing is Rodney. I hope he loves defense the way he loves dunks it would help us immensly.
 

I think having two beasts, Colton and Trevor inside will get Blake several more open looks a game. It will be great to make teams "pick their poison."
 

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