RPI Starting to Take Shape: Top 25, Big Ten, and SOS Stuff

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This according to Jerry Palm at CBSSportsline.com:

RPI Top 25 (through Dec. 17)
1. Wisconsin (12-0) -- Gopher opponent
2. UMass (9-0)
3. Baylor (6-1) -- #2 SOS in the nation
4. Syracuse (10-0) -- Gopher opponent
5. Kansas (7-3) -- #1 SOS in the nation
6. Arizona (11-0)
7. Saint Mary's (8-0)
8. Oregon (10-0)
9. Colorado (10-1)
10. Villanova (10-0)
11. Iowa State (8-0)
12. Wichita State (10-0)
13. UConn (9-0)
14. Gonzaga (9-1)
15. Ohio State (10-0) -- Gopher opponent
16. North Carolina (7-2)
17. San Diego State (6-1)
18. Florida (8-2)
19. Harvard (8-1)
20. Missouri (10-0) -- weakest SOS (#135) among teams in the RPI top 25
21. BYU (7-4)
22. Oklahoma State (10-1)
23. UCSB (4-3)
24. North Dakota State (6-4) -- #18 SOS in the nation
25. Southern Miss (7-1)

#65-68 (for the h#ll of it)
65. VCU (9-3)
66. SMU (8-2)
67. Xavier (8-3)
68. Georgetown (7-2)

Big Ten in the RPI
1. Wisconsin
15. Ohio State
27. Michigan State
31. Iowa
36. Illinois
49. GOPHERS
81. Indiana
91. Nebraska
94. Penn State
130. Michigan
133. Purdue
154. Northwestern

Big Ten Strength of Schedule Rankings
7. Wisconsin
78. Iowa
79. Illinois
81. Michigan State
87. Ohio State
92. GOPHERS
101. Penn State
115. Indiana
122. Nebraska
142. Northwestern
143. Michigan
220. Purdue

Overall, other than the Badgers, a lot of p*ss poor nonconference SOS rankings for the Big Ten. These are some pretty horrific numbers in comparison to recent years.
 

The big ten was looking great right up until Mich State laid an egg against UNC. In the week or two after that, some damage was done to our reputation and our RPI. Going into the ACC-Big Ten challenge I'd have said the Big Ten had a chance for 8 tourney teams. I think now the Gophers will have to finish at least 7th to make the tourney, and even that might be on the bubble.
 

WanderingGopher said:
The big ten was looking great right up until Mich State laid an egg against UNC. In the week or two after that, some damage was done to our reputation and our RPI. Going into the ACC-Big Ten challenge I'd have said the Big Ten had a chance for 8 tourney teams. I think now the Gophers will have to finish at least 7th to make the tourney, and even that might be on the bubble.
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Yep, 6 or 7 is usually the number for the Big Ten, and it appears that will be the case again this season. Even with the recent struggles I can't see the Big Ten getting any less than 6 bids, though I suppose it's possible if both Indiana and Michigan completely bottom out.
 

SelectionSunday said:
Yep, 6 or 7 is usually the number for the Big Ten, and it appears that will be the case again this season. Even with the recent struggles I can't see the Big Ten getting any less than 6 bids, though I suppose it's possible if both Indiana and Michigan completely bottom out.
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I like Beilein, so I hope Michigan bottoms out versus the Gophers, and then comes back up. Indiana??? I'll just say Crean and hope they bottom out in the deepest water.
 

Agree Doc, Beilein is a good dude. And not a big fan of Crean, either. Maybe this season the Clapping & Pacing Maniac will stop patting himself on the back & stop reminding everyone how far he's brought the IU program. We get it Tom, you're wonderful.
 


It seems like there are multiple sources for getting RPI numbers between CBS, ESPN, and others. Are they always the same? Sorry don't have time to check myself but I'm just curious if they are NOT the same which site/place is the closest to what the selection committee sees.
 

Can't wait for conference play to start. I think we'll be able to compete with most of the conference, there aren't as many heavyweights as there was last year. Wisconsin is probably the closest thing to a heavyweight this year and I'm still not sure how good/great they are. It will also be fun to see Pitino game plan and make in-game adjustments against the more experienced coaches.
 

tmvander said:
It seems like there are multiple sources for getting RPI numbers between CBS, ESPN, and others. Are they always the same? Sorry don't have time to check myself but I'm just curious if they are NOT the same which site/place is the closest to what the selection committee sees.
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Have always trusted Palm's ratings since his beginnings at collegerpi.com (no longer in existence). Palm's ratings have always been the same or very close to the numbers the selection committee uses.
 

MadtownGopher said:
Can't wait for conference play to start. I think we'll be able to compete with most of the conference, there aren't as many heavyweights as there was last year. Wisconsin is probably the closest thing to a heavyweight this year and I'm still not sure how good/great they are. It will also be fun to see Pitino game plan and make in-game adjustments against the more experienced coaches.
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The thing with wisco and I know you know this, it's a rivalry, records and rankings go out the window, are chances in madtown and slim to nil, but I truly believe we will win when they come to the barn this year, I think our guards can hang with their guards. The only two teams where I just don't see it is OSU and Sparty, but then again I didn't see it with syracuse and we were right there, if Malik doesn't airmail the pass to King who knows
 



tmvander said:
It seems like there are multiple sources for getting RPI numbers between CBS, ESPN, and others. Are they always the same? Sorry don't have time to check myself but I'm just curious if they are NOT the same which site/place is the closest to what the selection committee sees.
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There is only one 'true' source, but they are not published regularly. Near the end of the season the NCAA has started doing weekly updates (of RPI rankings - but not source data).

The RPI is elementary in theory, but somewhat complex in calculation. There are several reasons why different sites will have different calculations. Depending on how much data they provide it can be fairly easy to find their errors... to be safe, I'd just consider any information that isn't coming from the NCAA to be an "estimate" with a high potential for a little bit of bad noise in their data.
 

Gopher Warrior said:
There is only one 'true' source, but they are not published regularly. Near the end of the season the NCAA has started doing weekly updates (of RPI rankings - but not source data).

The RPI is elementary in theory, but somewhat complex in calculation. There are several reasons why different sites will have different calculations. Depending on how much data they provide it can be fairly easy to find their errors... to be safe, I'd just consider any information that isn't coming from the NCAA to be an "estimate" with a high potential for a little bit of bad noise in their data.
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Thanks for the Andre Hollins info on LNH. It made me feel better :)
 

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