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WindyCityGopher said:
He was still a first round pick they can sell. It’s hard to deny Iowa’s ability to develop tight ends that are high draft picks and who (largely) have successful NFL careers.
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I meant it was odd to mention 3 recent first round picks but not all 4. Fant was taken 20. Gophers haven’t had a top 20 pick in 35 years.
 

UpAndUnder43 said:
I meant it was odd to mention 3 recent first round picks but not all 4. Fant was taken 20. Gophers haven’t had a top 20 pick in 35 years.
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Maxx was 2nd round...so close. If he didn't come out early, maybe he goes in the 1st round. He only played 2 years for the Gophers.
 
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USAF said:
Actually, the two situations are nothing alike.
Perich had committed to MN by April of 2023 and despite getting multiple offers stayed with that commitment. He visited multiple times and always expressed interest in being a Gopher prior to that.
A few here freaked out over tOSU getting involved late, but there was never a strong sense he would back out of his commitment.

Voss is nothing like that.

Little apparent interest in the U.

Hope to be proven wrong. But I'm never wrong.
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Lol you're wrong all the time or just not good enough which why your moniker USAF and not USMC
 


Maverick_52 said:
Within the last 10 days the junior from Jackson has picked up offers from Miami and Auburn. I got a feeling it's gonna be tough for PJ to keep this kid home.
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I mean, Koi had everything, it seemed, Ohio St could throw at him to go to Colombus, but PJ is a great recruiter. Every recruit is different, but I would be surprised if he reopened his recruitment. 🤞🤞🤞
 




USAF said:
Actually, the two situations are nothing alike.
Perich had committed to MN by April of 2023 and despite getting multiple offers stayed with that commitment. He visited multiple times and always expressed interest in being a Gopher prior to that.
A few here freaked out over tOSU getting involved late, but there was never a strong sense he would back out of his commitment.

Voss is nothing like that.

Little apparent interest in the U.

Hope to be proven wrong. But I'm never wrong.
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I'm not math expert but we seem to be about 90 days away from late April when koi gave his verbal
 

btowngopher said:
It’d be great to get him, but I think a high end pass catching tight end in this offense is one of the least impactful positions.
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Yeah, if he was the QB then I'd be more concerned. I'm not gonna worry at all about the TE position and how many stars the player has.
 



Maverick_52 said:
Within the last 10 days the junior from Jackson has picked up offers from Miami and Auburn. I got a feeling it's gonna be tough for PJ to keep this kid home.
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I wouldn't be against PJ...
Since he was hired on Jan 6, 2017...
#1 Players in Minnesota:
2017 - Blaise Andries
2018 - Brevyn Spann-Ford
2019 - Quinn Carroll
2020 - Kaden Johnson
2021 - Riley Mahlman
2022 - Trey Bixby
2023 - Jaxon Howard
2024 - Koi Perich

Carroll and Howard didn't originally commit to Fleck but ended up here still.

Fun fact, Riley Mahlman helped the Gophers seal the deal in Madison last fall when they were starting to get some momentum until he had a massive hold that killed a drive.
 



JZABR said:
I mean, Koi had everything, it seemed, Ohio St could throw at him to go to Colombus, but PJ is a great recruiter. Every recruit is different, but I would be surprised if he reopened his recruitment. 🤞🤞🤞
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"Reopened his recruitment?"

Try to keep up.
 



MNfootballfan said:
I wouldn't be against PJ...
Since he was hired on Jan 6, 2017...
#1 Players in Minnesota:
2017 - Blaise Andries
2018 - Brevyn Spann-Ford
2019 - Quinn Carroll
2020 - Kaden Johnson
2021 - Riley Mahlman
2022 - Trey Bixby
2023 - Jaxon Howard
2024 - Koi Perich

Carroll and Howard didn't originally commit to Fleck but ended up here still.

Fun fact, Riley Mahlman helped the Gophers seal the deal in Madison last fall when they were starting to get some momentum until he had a massive hold that killed a drive.
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Add Karmo for 2025 even
 

I think the difference between Voss and Koi is Voss has been a four star recruit since his sophomore year. Seemed like Koi jumped up the recruiting rankings his senior season. Voss has a lot more Power 5 offers than Perich did at this point.
 

I think it is time to take a very small break to mention the argument I had a couple years ago here where I was being told the Gophers should expend zero effort on outstate players because they are not worth it and the only talent that matters is in the metro area.

It was an offshoot of a discussion about Fleck contacting every coach in the state to create good will and potential recruiting ties and the person I was arguing with (can't remember who it was) was willing to die on the hill that this was a complete waste of time because due to facilities, no outstate player could ever measure up. The game had changed. Metro only was the key to instate success and don't waste time considering outstate players.
 

Schnauzer said:
I think it is time to take a very small break to mention the argument I had a couple years ago here where I was being told the Gophers should expend zero effort on outstate players because they are not worth it and the only talent that matters is in the metro area.

It was an offshoot of a discussion about Fleck contacting every coach in the state to create good will and potential recruiting ties and the person I was arguing with (can't remember who it was) was willing to die on the hill that this was a complete waste of time because due to facilities, no outstate player could ever measure up. The game had changed. Metro only was the key to instate success and don't waste time considering outstate players.
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With how the college football landscape is today I don’t think it’s ever been more important to identify every local talent we possibly can.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
add Auburn to the list. picked up an offer today, according to his Tweet. also had a recent in-home visit from Kansas State.

the position choice is going to be interesting. listed as 6'4", 215lbs. that's pretty light for a TE. I'm sure he could add some weight/muscle, but at what point does that mean he loses a little quickness or athleticism?

I really have a hard time seeing him as a D1 TE. maybe more of an H-Back, depending on the system with some wildcat QB mixed in. a lot hinges on the measurables - don't know what he's run for a 40. he can outrun players at an AA school in MN, but D1 is a different level of competition.
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If he fills out, which most kids that size do, 6'4 240 is in an ideal size in most modern offenses.
 

btowngopher said:
With how the college football landscape is today I don’t think it’s ever been more important to identify every local talent we possibly can.
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I'd disagree. That approach is how we end up with guys like Kristen Hoskins or whatever who sat around on scholly for 2 years before leaving. Sam Siedel should be another one.

With this new landscape, we can afford to miss and bring in portal players, and if the people we missed on turned out to prove themselves elsewhere, they can portal back here.

(That being said, this doesn't apply to Voss since he's obviously been identified big time.)
 



GopherTheJugular said:
I'd disagree. That approach is how we end up with guys like Kristen Hoskins or whatever who sat around on scholly for 2 years before leaving. Sam Siedel should be another one.

With this new landscape, we can afford to miss and bring in portal players, and if the people we missed on turned out to prove themselves elsewhere, they can portal back here.

(That being said, this doesn't apply to Voss since he's obviously been identified big time.)
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Well I did say identify not misidentify. You can get similar guys to Hoskins from other states as well, but you also get more of the guys that leave after only one year, or do show promise right away but still leave for greener pastures. Also little tough on Seidl, dude’s only been here a year and was dealing with an injury per his gophersports bio. There is value to having some players contribute after putting in work for two or three years.
 
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btowngopher said:
Well I did say identify not misidentify.
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I'll give ya that. (And it made me laugh, calling those players misidentifications lol, but true.)

btowngopher said:
You can get similar guys to Hoskins from other states as well
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I mean we *could* but I thought we only took him because he went to high school in this state and PJ wants to keep the local coaches happy.

btowngopher said:
There is value to having some players contribute after putting in work for two or three years.
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Not trying to argue, as you are a legit poster on here, so please take this as "constructive". Can you name any? Generally our best players have played early: Lindenberg played early, Justin Walley, Koi, Bateman...even Ersery got some run as a true freshman. I can't think of someone who bided their time and then played as a senior. Maybe Mo Ibrahim, but he was still in the rotation early. It seems that we end up going the portal to replace guys who were supposed to contribute and by year 3 they are portaled out for someone else if they haven't cracked the lineup yet.

I could be missing a few cases though. Tyler Johnson maybe, but that also could be because Jerry Kill would have had no clue how to play that guy as a WR and have him get drafted.

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Schnauzer said:
I think it is time to take a very small break to mention the argument I had a couple years ago here where I was being told the Gophers should expend zero effort on outstate players because they are not worth it and the only talent that matters is in the metro area.

It was an offshoot of a discussion about Fleck contacting every coach in the state to create good will and potential recruiting ties and the person I was arguing with (can't remember who it was) was willing to die on the hill that this was a complete waste of time because due to facilities, no outstate player could ever measure up. The game had changed. Metro only was the key to instate success and don't waste time considering outstate players.
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I agree, but I believe there was an era when the outstate players were at a distinct disadvantage when it came to facilities and instruction. I think with the expansion of camps that provide exposure and advances in instruction, that opportunity gap has narrowed. I think the concentration on the metropolitan area and regional centers is simply a numbers game. There are good players everywhere, but given the distribution of the population, there are more players worth considering in the metropolitan area and regional centers.

I grew up in small-town Minnesota in the 1960s and the best players in our conference managed to make MIAC and D3 rosters. Randy Breuer--who came along later--was the unicorn. I just think it is much either to find talent wherever it is now than it was during that era.
 



50PoundHead said:
I agree, but I believe there was an era when the outstate players were at a distinct disadvantage when it came to facilities and instruction. I think with the expansion of camps that provide exposure and advances in instruction, that opportunity gap has narrowed. I think the concentration on the metropolitan area and regional centers is simply a numbers game. There are good players everywhere, but given the distribution of the population, there are more players worth considering in the metropolitan area and regional centers.

I grew up in small-town Minnesota in the 1960s and the best players in our conference managed to make MIAC and D3 rosters. Randy Breuer--who came along later--was the unicorn. I just think it is much either to find talent wherever it is now than it was during that era.
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I think with outstate players, one of the issues in evaluation is strength of competition. when you're watching a kid from a metro school going up against other metro schools, the level of competition is more even.

I've seen kids who look phenomenal because they're just more gifted than the level of competition - but when they go to college and match up against equally gifted athletes, that advantage goes away.

that's where camps come into play - getting outstate kids into a camp and seeing them go up against higher-level competition, including 1-on-1 drills, can tell you more than game film in many cases.

FWIW, I think Voss is one of the better outstate kids I've seen in person.
 


GopherTheJugular said:
I'll give ya that. (And it made me laugh, calling those players misidentifications lol, but true.)



I mean we *could* but I thought we only took him because he went to high school in this state and PJ wants to keep the local coaches happy.


Not trying to argue, as you are a legit poster on here, so please take this as "constructive". Can you name any? Generally our best players have played early: Lindenberg played early, Justin Walley, Koi, Bateman...even Ersery got some run as a true freshman. I can't think of someone who bided their time and then played as a senior. Maybe Mo Ibrahim, but he was still in the rotation early. It seems that we end up going the portal to replace guys who were supposed to contribute and by year 3 they are portaled out for someone else if they haven't cracked the lineup yet.

I could be missing a few cases though. Tyler Johnson maybe, but that also could be because Jerry Kill would have had no clue how to play that guy as a WR and have him get drafted.

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I agree generally our best players do find the field early. But we almost always have contributors that take multiple years to develop, we’re seeing it less now because it’s becoming more rare for guys to stick around that long now if they aren’t playing. A few recent ones I can think of being Richter, Finnessy, Gerlach. Martes Lewis is another one that has taken time to develop, which is pretty normal on the oline and dline.
 


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