Reusse column: Big Ten produces little football talent

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per Reusse:

Few conference football players went high in the NFL draft. And it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

The Big Ten has been providing a second-rate football product for some time, which was reaffirmed in last week’s NFL draft. You can start with the fact the Big Ten came within one reach by the bumbling Jerry Jones of getting shut out in the first round for the time since 1953.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/205698101.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Go Gophers!!
 

Very bad Draft for the Big Ten that's true. The NFL has gone to a "Pass first, second and third" Offense. Their Defenses have to try and stop that kind of Offense. The Big Ten still wants to run and run again and their Defenses have to stop that. Wonder if that has something to do with it?
 

BleedGopher said:
per Reusse:

Few conference football players went high in the NFL draft. And it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

The Big Ten has been providing a second-rate football product for some time, which was reaffirmed in last week’s NFL draft. You can start with the fact the Big Ten came within one reach by the bumbling Jerry Jones of getting shut out in the first round for the time since 1953.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/205698101.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Go Gophers!!
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Few Star Tribune journalist were considered for Pulitzer Prize. And it's going to get worse before it gets better.

The Star Tribune has been providing a second-rate newspaper product for some time, which was reaffirmed with the latest edition. You can start with the fact the Star Tribune has a hack like Fat Patti.
 

MNGoldenGophers1 said:
Few Star Tribune journalist were considered for Pulitzer Prize. And it's going to get worse before it gets better.

The Star Tribune has been providing a second-rate newspaper product for some time, which was reaffirmed with the latest edition. You can start with the fact the Star Tribune has a hack like Fat Patti.
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Haha! +1! Nicely done! :clap: :clap: :clap: :)
 

Iceland12 said:
Very bad Draft for the Big Ten that's true. The NFL has gone to a "Pass first, second and third" Offense. Their Defenses have to try and stop that kind of Offense. The Big Ten still wants to run and run again and their Defenses have to stop that. Wonder if that has something to do with it?
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Part of it is that. I think another part is that Ohio State and Penn State got dinged. Michigan kind of bottomed out after Rich Rod and a lot of highly-touted prospects never materialized like many thought they would. Look at Terrelle Pryor. Coming out of high school, it looked like he would have been a lock to the #1 overall pick in the draft when he came out. That didn't quite materialize.
 



BleedGopher said:
The Big Ten has been providing a second-rate football product for some time...
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What a horsesh!t statement.

It's the hive mind thinking that the only way to measure a college player is by their NFL success, and that is utter BS.

There are a variety of reasons that some players do not succeed in the NFL, but that does not diminish their accomplishments in college. Tim Tebow just got released, and he has proven to be an NFL bust, but his skill set was incredibly fun to watch in college. So Fatprick would consider him "a second-rate football product" because he failed to succeed in the NFL. That is kindergarten logic.
 

"Second-rate"...that's probably a tad excessive. I think we all know the SEC is tops. After that, I don't think any conference exceeds the B1G. So I'd hardly call that second-rate football. This year was a bit down, but most years, the conference will be up there.
 

Monty519 said:
"Second-rate"...that's probably a tad excessive. I think we all know the SEC is tops. After that, I don't think any conference exceeds the B1G. So I'd hardly call that second-rate football. This year was a bit down, but most years, the conference will be up there.
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If the SEC is first-rate, what does that make the Big Ten?
 



Reason why Kill and ass't coaches are combing the Southeast and to the Southwest, Texas. I'll take every kid we can get from those areas. They've countless talent every year. You never hear Tom Lemming say it is a down year in Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. Not so in the Midwest. This is the first time in 3 years that Illinois has a good crop. Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa you might get a good class once every 5 years.
 


It’s culture. In the North, mom and dad are worried about concussions and pointing their boys toward soccer and lacrosse. In the South, the old man still is pounding on his boy’s shoulder pads and saying, “Get out there and smash ’em, son.”
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Really? This is why football is better in the south? I had no idea.
 

everybody knows my name said:
If the SEC is first-rate, what does that make the Big Ten?
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Alright, then I guess Aaron Rodgers is a second-rate QB? He's not as good as Brady.
Adrian Peterson's season last year was second-rate? Dickerson ran for more yards than him.
 



Monty519 said:
I'm pretty sure more than one conference can be "first-rate" level football.
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So you're saying....what are you saying? That one conference can be playing at a higher level than another conference, but they're still both at the same level?
 

everybody knows my name said:
So you're saying....what are you saying? That one conference can be playing at a higher level than another conference, but they're still both at the same level?
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No, I think he is making the very logical conclusion that being 2nd best at something doesn't make it second-rate.
 

I guess it matters a lot where you draw the line. For the last decade I would contend that the Big Ten has definitely been second rate. Not that that makes it a bad conference.
 

Reusse is missing one huge point: demographics. Black people are leaving the North in droves. The Great Migration populated Northern cities like Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh with former slave families looking to fill manufacturing jobs and get away from the tenant farm caste system that was prevalent in the South.

Fast forward 50-100 years and all of the manufacturing jobs are overseas. So why put up with the weather, concentrated poverty and higher cost of living? African-Americans are leaving, and they're heading to cities like Atlanta, Miami, Jacksonville, Houston, Dallas, Charlotte and Birmingham.

While the racism that was prevalent in the Southern United States is still evident, it's not nearly as toxic as it was a few decades ago, and it certainly doesn't extend to the playing field. Thus, their children are picking to attend Georgia, Alabama and Florida rather than Michigan, Ohio State or Penn State.

But yes, Reusse can blame the entire situation on a football conference...and lacrosse.
 

everybody knows my name said:
I guess it matters a lot where you draw the line. For the last decade I would contend that the Big Ten has definitely been second rate. Not that that makes it a bad conference.
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"Second-rate" has a more negative connotation to it than I think is necessary to paint the B1G over the past decade. While I agree it hasn't been the best, I don't know if it's really been worse than the 2nd or maybe 3rd best conference in the nation over time, and to me, that's not really second-rate. But yeah, for some who have the expectation of the conference to be the absolute best, then considering how the SEC (particularly the top of the SEC, the bottom isn't much to write home about) has plowed over pretty much everyone this past bunch of years, you basically can call every other conference but the SEC "second-rate".
 

NateDawgUM said:
Reusse is missing one huge point: demographics. Black people are leaving the North in droves. The Great Migration populated Northern cities like Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh with former slave families looking to fill manufacturing jobs and get away from the tenant farm caste system that was prevalent in the South.

Fast forward 50-100 years and all of the manufacturing jobs are overseas. So why put up with the weather, concentrated poverty and higher cost of living? African-Americans are leaving, and they're heading to cities like Atlanta, Miami, Jacksonville, Houston, Dallas, Charlotte and Birmingham.

While the racism that was prevalent in the Southern United States is still evident, it's not nearly as toxic as it was a few decades ago, and it certainly doesn't extend to the playing field. Thus, their children are picking to attend Georgia, Alabama and Florida rather than Michigan, Ohio State or Penn State.

But yes, Reusse can blame the entire situation on a football conference...and lacrosse.
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That may be true in some of the industrial belt states, but Minnesota is much more diverse (and increasingly so) than it was 15 years ago.
 

50PoundHead said:
That may be true in some of the industrial belt states, but Minnesota is much more diverse (and increasingly so) than it was 15 years ago.
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True, but Somalians and Hmong's don't play football, they generally play soccer
 

50PoundHead said:
That may be true in some of the industrial belt states, but Minnesota is much more diverse (and increasingly so) than it was 15 years ago.
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Industrial Belt = 75% of the Big Ten. That's what the article was about, right?
 

This is not news, the Big Ten has had pretty mediocre draft talent the last few years.
 

NateDawgUM said:
Industrial Belt = 75% of the Big Ten. That's what the article was about, right?
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Exactly, look at the states and cities with the slowest to negative population growth and many are in the Big Ten footprint. The jobs and in turn people are moving to the Southeast and Southwest parts of the US. Those people have kids and the pool of talented football players grows(cases in point Georgia and Arizona). Then look at the demise of the once rich football hotbed of places like Western Pennsylvania. Barring a major reversal of recent trends in population shifts, I expect the Southeast and Southwest regions and in turn the SEC to only get stronger.
 


afurry91 said:
This is not news, the Big Ten has had pretty mediocre draft talent the last few years.
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This isn't always true. Last year the SEC had 34 and the Big Ten had 33. There is plenty of talent left of the shelves for teams and most kids decided to stay (i.e. Taylor Lewand, Bradly Roby and etc.) This also had a huge influence on the number of people leaving this year. Add in the coaching turnover in the conference and you have a valid excuse for why the numbers of Big Ten draftees has decreased.
 

NateDawgUM said:
Reusse is missing one huge point: demographics. Black people are leaving the North in droves. The Great Migration populated Northern cities like Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh with former slave families looking to fill manufacturing jobs and get away from the tenant farm caste system that was prevalent in the South.

Fast forward 50-100 years and all of the manufacturing jobs are overseas. So why put up with the weather, concentrated poverty and higher cost of living? African-Americans are leaving, and they're heading to cities like Atlanta, Miami, Jacksonville, Houston, Dallas, Charlotte and Birmingham.

While the racism that was prevalent in the Southern United States is still evident, it's not nearly as toxic as it was a few decades ago, and it certainly doesn't extend to the playing field. Thus, their children are picking to attend Georgia, Alabama and Florida rather than Michigan, Ohio State or Penn State.

But yes, Reusse can blame the entire situation on a football conference...and lacrosse.
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Why drag facts into this?
 



BleedGopher said:
per Reusse:

Few conference football players went high in the NFL draft. And it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

The Big Ten has been providing a second-rate football product for some time, which was reaffirmed in last week’s NFL draft. You can start with the fact the Big Ten came within one reach by the bumbling Jerry Jones of getting shut out in the first round for the time since 1953.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/205698101.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Go Gophers!!
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Jeshurun column: Patrick Reusse produces little quality journalism

Few Star Tribune articles have been well-written in the past year and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

'Fat Pat' has been writing second-rate articles for some time, which was reaffirmed this past week with his article on the lack of Big Ten athletes picked in the first round of the NFL draft. You can start with the fact that the only reason anyone reads articles by Mr. Reusse these days is because of the vitriol from bumbling members of the Gopher Hole forum stemming from his incessant criticism of University of Minnesota athletic programs and his constant mischaracterization of the football and basketball programs. Gopher Holers click on links to Reusse articles in a masochistic desire to read the brand new pile of steaming horse puckey that Reusse has passed off as journalism this week, thus bringing in ad revenue and making Reusse relevant in his editor's eyes.
 

Unregistered User said:
What a horsesh!t statement.

It's the hive mind thinking that the only way to measure a college player is by their NFL success, and that is utter BS.

There are a variety of reasons that some players do not succeed in the NFL, but that does not diminish their accomplishments in college. Tim Tebow just got released, and he has proven to be an NFL bust, but his skill set was incredibly fun to watch in college. So Fatprick would consider him "a second-rate football product" because he failed to succeed in the NFL. That is kindergarten logic.
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So you attack with kindergarten name-calling?
 

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