Recruiting, Rules-Related ?

[DL65]

I hope I articulate correctly what I was told today about SEC recruiting and their advantage(s) over other BCS conferences.

I was told when Minnesota et al sign a recruit to a LOI (Letter of Intent) on Signing Day, the recruit receives a 4-5 year scholarship provided they meet required academic standards. The person that I was visiting with this morning said the SEC schools, however, sign their recruits to a 1 year deal only, which is renewed year-to-year, if the school wants to retain the player. If the SEC school decides there is a better player available than the one currently on an athletic scholarship, they don't renew the scholarship, but, rather, give it to a new player/recruit. If true, that would appear to be a decided advantage in recruiting.

There does appear to be disparity between the BCS conference schools when it comes recruiting rules and practices, i.e., oversigning, etc. Nevertheless, I'm skeptical as to his explanation.

Your thoughts . . .


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[Nate]

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bigten&id=44807

 

[DL65]

Thanks, Nate! I was confident someone would have an answer/link readily available. One of many reasons I visit and like GopherHole.


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[Killjoy]

I saw an article a year or two ago that basically said the same thing that DL65's post stated. It is my understanding that only Minnesota and maybe one other school award scholarships for one year. In reality though these two schools generally try to be consistent with this rule. The article also said that soon all schools in the Big Ten will soon be under the same set of rule. As I recall, it was the Big Ten presidents who came down hard against the SEC approach for ethical and other reasons.

One would think that by giving out one year scholarships, plus the SEC's abusive over signing procedures, that it would give them potential a significant advantage. What I don't understand though is if you are recruit and have an offers from both a Big Ten school and a SEC school, why wouldn't you take the 4-5 year scholarship guarantee over the one year guarantee? DL65 you might try goggling this subject. I know there are articles out there should verify what is going on.

P.S. Sorry about being late. I see Nate beat me to it. I started typing this but ended up taking a long phone call.

 

[GopherGod]

I saw an article a year or two ago that basically said the same thing that DL65's post stated. It is my understanding that only Minnesota and maybe one other school award scholarships for one year. In reality though these two schools generally try to be consistent with this rule. The article also said that soon all schools in the Big Ten will soon be under the same set of rule. As I recall, it was the Big Ten presidents who came down hard against the SEC approach for ethical and other reasons.

One would think that by giving out one year scholarships, plus the SEC's abusive over signing procedures, that it would give them potential a significant advantage. What I don't understand though is if you are recruit and have an offers from both a Big Ten school and a SEC school, why wouldn't you take the 4-5 year scholarship guarantee over the one year guarantee? DL65 you might try goggling this subject. I know there are articles out there should verify what is going on.

P.S. Sorry about being late. I see Nate beat me to it. I started typing this but ended up taking a long phone call.

Because many think the SEC is a better conference for football right now and the main reason being that most of these guys think it will never happen to them. They virtually all think they are going to be stars and go to the NFL and they have been told they are the greatest since middle school. It is shocking how many of these guys think they are honestly going to make it to the NFL, NBA, etc..

 

[Killjoy]

Because many think the SEC is a better conference for football right now and the main reason being that most of these guys think it will never happen to them. They virtually all think they are going to be stars and go to the NFL and they have been told they are the greatest since middle school. It is shocking how many of these guys think they are honestly going to make it to the NFL, NBA, etc..

Your answer may be correct but I can't help but think how sad it is if it is true.

 

[MNVCGUY]

Your answer may be correct but I can't help but think how sad it is if it is true.

GopherGod is spot on. At the very least coming out of High School any kid that gets a scholarship offer to a BCS school believes they are going to be in the NFL. You have to factor in that basically any kid getting a scholarship to the SEC, Big Ten....was all everything at their high school most likely. They have grown up being told how great they were and you can bet the coaches recruiting them told them they will help get them to the NFL if they sign on the dotted line.

The coaches know the reality that 99.9% of them are not going to make it but you can bet that is not the message being sold at BCS programs across the county, Minnesota included. In all honesty the kids should know the reality as well but they have blinders on to the world because all they can see is fame and fortune waiting for them in the form of a million dollar + contract down the line.

 

[dpodoll68]

The coaches know the reality that 99.9% of them are not going to make it

Of the kids who accept scholarship offers for, and play at, AQ schools? No. Your number is nowhere close to accurate. The real number is much lower.

 

[FreakyDeke]

I hope I articulate correctly what I was told today about SEC recruiting and their advantage(s) over other BCS conferences.

I was told when Minnesota et al sign a recruit to a LOI (Letter of Intent) on Signing Day, the recruit receives a 4-5 year scholarship provided they meet required academic standards. The person that I was visiting with this morning said the SEC schools, however, sign their recruits to a 1 year deal only, which is renewed year-to-year, if the school wants to retain the player. If the SEC school decides there is a better player available than the one currently on an athletic scholarship, they don't renew the scholarship, but, rather, give it to a new player/recruit. If true, that would appear to be a decided advantage in recruiting.

There does appear to be disparity between the BCS conference schools when it comes recruiting rules and practices, i.e., oversigning, etc. Nevertheless, I'm skeptical as to his explanation.

Your thoughts . . .

Go Gophers!!

You could look at that as an advantage, but I certainly wouldn't if I were a high school senior.

 

[Gopher Warrior]

I don't see it as a huge deal and I think Minnesota is fine in not early adopting this potential rule. In theory, it helps the kid who attends a school that doesn't want him anymore by making the school keep him. That's not a great situation for anyone.

Also, many scholarships could still be pulled under a '4-year grant guarantee' -- due to behavior issues off the field, academic issues, etc.

 

[Lakeville Goldy]

GopherGod is spot on. At the very least coming out of High School any kid that gets a scholarship offer to a BCS school believes they are going to be in the NFL. You have to factor in that basically any kid getting a scholarship to the SEC, Big Ten....was all everything at their high school most likely. They have grown up being told how great they were and you can bet the coaches recruiting them told them they will help get them to the NFL if they sign on the dotted line.

The coaches know the reality that 99.9% of them are not going to make it but you can bet that is not the message being sold at BCS programs across the county, Minnesota included. In all honesty the kids should know the reality as well but they have blinders on to the world because all they can see is fame and fortune waiting for them in the form of a million dollar + contract down the line.

I met a guy who was a walk-on at the U when Darkins was there. He said he couldn't believe he never got a scholarship offer, and he was still 100% convinced he was going to the NFL. So he was going to prove everyone wrong and walk-on at the U. He made it through like two or three practices before he realized he had no place being on any Division 1 team in any playing, backup, whatever capacity and left the team.

Anyway, it's not just scholarship players who think they're going to beat the odds...

I do wonder how many yearly scholarships are not renewed, even in the SEC. My completely uneducated guess would be not that many, but I could be wrong...

 

[MNVCGUY]

Of the kids who accept scholarship offers for, and play at, AQ schools? No. Your number is nowhere close to accurate. The real number is much lower.

You got me it looks like 1.7% of all college football players make it to the pros. Study wasn't broken up by AQ vs. Non AQ but I would be more than happy to bet the percentage is still in single digits for AQ players making it to the NFL. 99.9 was an exageration but the reality is only a select few are actually going to make it and even a smaller portion of that number is going to have any sort of sustained success at the pro level.

http://www.businessinsider.com/odds-college-athletes-become-professionals-2012-2?op=1

 

[dpodoll68]

You got me it looks like 1.7% of all college football players make it to the pros. Study wasn't broken up by AQ vs. Non AQ but I would be more than happy to bet the percentage is still in single digits for AQ players making it to the NFL. 99.9 was an exageration but the reality is only a select few are actually going to make it and even a smaller portion of that number is going to have any sort of sustained success at the pro level.

http://www.businessinsider.com/odds-college-athletes-become-professionals-2012-2?op=1

That only a select few are going to make it is obvious, but I like 1-in-12 odds (or whatever) a lot better than I like 1-in-1,000 odds.