really wishing royce white, devoe joseph, justin cobb were still w/ U of M right now

[supadupafly]

looking back 20/20, it was a tough blow to lose these guys to transfer situations. the depth on the roster certainly would have been a huge help this season. especially with trevor mbakwe going down with the knee injury early in the season.

that is all. carry on.

 

[SelectionSunday]

Hard not to think about what might have been (I have caught myself thinking, "Royce, why couldn't you stay out of trouble while you were here?"), but it's the hand we've been dealt.

Assuming this season continues the way it's going, it'll be even harder to swallow watching a a couple of these guys (White & Cobbs' teams I think will end up in the NCAA tourney) play leading/key roles in leading their teams to the NCAA Tournament while the Gophers -- barring an epic turnaround -- sit on the sidelines.

 

[KyGopherfan]

I don't miss Cobb. He just wasn't dynamic enough for the B1G. Welch is much better than Cobb. Devoe, White, and Iverson are the ones missed.

 

[sunnyday2]

Nothin' compared to 1966 with 3 starters out. All-American Lou Hudson broke his hand. Point guard Terry Kunze and swingman Don Yates both academically ineligible. The Gophers had finished 2nd in the Big 10 the previous year.

 

[Parski1]

looking back 20/20, it was a tough blow to lose these guys to transfer situations. the depth on the roster certainly would have been a huge help this season. especially with trevor mbakwe going down with the knee injury early in the season.

that is all. carry on.

Yeah but ya know it's all Tubby's fault so let's just fire Tubby and start over...oh wait the Barn is old too so let's just blow that up and build a new arena! (serious sarcasm).

 

[march madness]

missing players

Not only could those players score, but they had experience in this system (Joseph, Cobb). Experience in the big ten. They know the ball line defense. We would have guards who could ball handle, score, and make a lot less turnovers.

White is a strong post who can score, rebound, and pass.

It is hard not to covet.

 

[supadupafly]

Not only could those players score, but they had experience in this system (Joseph, Cobb). Experience in the big ten. They know the ball line defense. We would have guards who could ball handle, score, and make a lot less turnovers.

White is a strong post who can score, rebound, and pass.

It is hard not to covet.

yeah, but at least we are coveting something we once had. as opposed to people who covet that which they never had! somehow that makes it harder and not easier though. ;-)

 

[scools12]

I don't miss Cobb. He just wasn't dynamic enough for the B1G. Welch is much better than Cobb. Devoe, White, and Iverson are the ones missed.

seems to be the thought on Cobbs around here. that his game is much better suited for the PAC-12. why was he even recruited here? if he wasn't a B1G type of player whose fault is that he came here? maybe there is a problem with the talent evaluation going on.

 

[zambam]

seems to be the thought on Cobbs around here. that his game is much better suited for the PAC-12. why was he even recruited here? if he wasn't a B1G type of player whose fault is that he came here? maybe there is a problem with the talent evaluation going on.

Or, maybe the people that said Cobbs wouldn't have done well here are wrong? I feel like he would not have done as well as he is in the Pac-12, but he would have done well here.

 

[scools12]

Or, maybe the people that said Cobbs wouldn't have done well here are wrong? I feel like he would not have done as well as he is in the Pac-12, but he would have done well here.

nah, not the experts on GHole.

 

[ski-u-mah]

Or, maybe the people that said Cobbs wouldn't have done well here are wrong? I feel like he would not have done as well as he is in the Pac-12, but he would have done well here.

I would have been nice to have Cobbs last year, but not missing him this year.

With all that has happened, it'd be nice if Iverson was still around.

Anyone know how Iverson is doing?

 

[scher215]

The only one I "Miss" is Royce. He was from MN. Really wanted to play here. Loved tubby. Had the potential to be a program changer.

The others were talented, but Royce stings the most.

 

[zambam]

I would have been nice to have Cobbs last year, but not missing him this year.

With all that has happened, it'd be nice if Iverson was still around.

Anyone know how Iverson is doing?

Sitting out a year at Colorado State.

 

[ski-u-mah]

I only mentioned people that actually played for us. Obviously the criminal is the "missing piece" on the floor.

 

[gopherbadgerman]

I'll be the first to admit I never thought MN would miss Cobbs. But in retrospect I think he would be a huge help for them right now. I do think he is better than Welch, but they are in the same ballpark.

 

[jovs]

How can you not miss Joseph's, the last time the Gophs made the NCAA tournament they did it on his back, and he was only a sophmore.

 

[scher215]

How can you not miss Joseph's, the last time the Gophs made the NCAA tournament they did it on his back, and he was only a sophmore.

I always liked devoe. But he was an average defender and if his shot wasn't hitting (see: 1 of 13) he's more of a liability.

 

[minngg]

I always liked devoe. But he was an average defender and if his shot wasn't hitting (see: 1 of 13) he's more of a liability.

Well, Harrison Barnes had numbers like that against us last year. All of the players that left are doing better than they did here. Wonder why?

 

[zambam]

Well, Harrison Barnes had numbers like that against us last year. All of the players that left are doing better than they did here. Wonder why?

All 3 of the ones that actually have gotten playing time at both the U and the transfer school played/are playing against lesser competition. That probably has something to do with it.

 

[minngg]

All 3 of the ones that actually have gotten playing time at both the U and the transfer school played/are playing against lesser competition. That probably has something to do with it.

Ok, I agree. Then why do you lament losing them? You them leaving as an excuse for Tubby? They aren't that good anyway.

 

[zambam]

Ok, I agree. Then why do you lament losing them? You them leaving as an excuse for Tubby? They aren't that good anyway.

Only one we really miss never played for us. Devoe and Cobbs would have been nice to have this year, but that doesn't mean they would be putting up the same numbers. They would not be having as much success, but that doesn't mean they would have success.

 

[Dr.Don]

Only one we really miss never played for us. Devoe and Cobbs would have been nice to have this year, but that doesn't mean they would be putting up the same numbers. They would not be having as much success, but that doesn't mean they would have success.

Huh? zambam, what did that bold comment mean?

 

[zambam]

Huh? zambam, what did that bold comment mean?

I don't think their stats would be quite as good as they are now, simply because they would be playing against better competition on a more regular basis. Like Cobbs might be averaging 9 pts a game instead of 12.

 

[EG#9]

I wish Tubby and his staff would have done a better job replacing players that have transferred. The vast majority of the Gophers problems (as far not being at least an average Big Ten team) stem from recruiting decisions made in the Spring.

 

[Mulligan]

I wish Tubby and his staff would have done a better job replacing players that have transferred. The vast majority of the Gophers problems (as far not being at least an average Big Ten team) stem from recruiting decisions made in the Spring.

Well. in the spring, pickings are much slimmer. I think this is also a case of where Tubby's mass substitutions strategy comes back to bite him. Relatively he needs a lot of players for it, so he settled on some people instead of banking a couple of those scholarships. He's had some crappy breaks, he also hasn't helped himself with some of the moves. That said, we wouldn't be having these discussions if White hadn't been such an idiot and Al hadn't gotten hurt. Those are the biggest crappy breaks.

 

[march madness]

I know the pac 12 is definitely down, but can anyone honestly say they think the gophers wouldn't be better with Cobbs starting at the point? Or a shooter like joseph at sg? I just laugh.

 

[Monty519]

I know the pac 12 is definitely down, but can anyone honestly say they think the gophers wouldn't be better with Cobbs starting at the point? Or a shooter like joseph at sg? I just laugh.

Of course we would, cause we'd have a Cobbs in his junior year for the team, and a senior Devoe Joseph. That's the type of experienced backcourt that can do things. Our backcourt right now is so disjointed, there's no continuity it seems, and that's partly a function of having 2 freshman, one first year JUCO, and 3 sophomores back there. There's no question in my mind, with Cobbs and Joseph still here, we have far more success, not even based on talent, but experience alone.

 

[march madness]

Thanks I think it's rather obvious even if emotionally we are pissed they left. Whether you blame them or tubby the fact is we miss them.

 

[Hates Monikers]

Well, Harrison Barnes had numbers like that against us last year. All of the players that left are doing better than they did here. Wonder why?

Maybe it has helped them to have two extra years of experience, practice and strength (one in Devoe's case), not to mention two extra years of maturity? We're comparing Cobbs and White three years out of high schools as opposed their first year out when they were here. Something tells me that helps a college basketball player in a variety of ways.

 

[brucekaupa]

Maybe it has helped them to have two extra years of experience, practice and strength (one in Devoe's case), not to mention two extra years of maturity? We're comparing Cobbs and White three years out of high schools as opposed their first year out when they were here. Something tells me that helps a college basketball player in a variety of ways.

That.

To me, the issue has nothing to do with their productivity when they were here vs. now. It's about what we might have had if they'd stayed. My assumption is that their skillz would be about the same as now if they had stayed.