Ramifications of Case Keenum granted a 6th year on Royston

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Case Keenum was grated a 6th year essentially because Houston was able to go back and document that Keenum used his 1st RS because he was injured. They went back and "discovered" an injury that Keenum had in the 2006 season (his RS year) and they used that as the basis for granting him a 6th year. (they are usually only granted when a player misses more than 1 season because of issues outside of their control).

Personally, this merely reaffirms my belief that Royston will not be granted a 6th year. He sat out his first season because of NCAA transfer rules. I can't imagine that would be analogous to being injured.
 

Re: the Royston Case...

Bob, the basis of the Roystons' appeal is that Kim transferred to Minnesota to be close to his dying grandmother. NCAA rules do allow for appeals based on lost years due to family illnesses. So his case is different than Keenum's and cannot be compared. That's not to say I'm especially optimistic about the ultimate outcome of Kim's appeal; just explaining its basis.
 

uagain said:
Bob, the basis of the Roystons' appeal is that Kim transferred to Minnesota to be close to his dying grandmother. NCAA rules do allow for appeals based on lost years due to family illnesses. So his case is different than Keenum's and cannot be compared. That's not to say I'm especially optimistic about the ultimate outcome of Kim's appeal; just explaining its basis.
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Thanks for the insight. It nice to have something that is more than pure speculation.
 

Good thing the NCAA lets Mormon players travel all over the world bothering people and still come back for a 6th or 7th year, but break your leg? Nahhhhhhh.
 

NateDawgUM said:
Good thing the NCAA lets Mormon players travel all over the world bothering people and still come back for a 6th or 7th year, but break your leg? Nahhhhhhh.
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Is that why those BYU players are so good at double-coverage?
 



uagain said:
Bob, the basis of the Roystons' appeal is that Kim transferred to Minnesota to be close to his dying grandmother. NCAA rules do allow for appeals based on lost years due to family illnesses. So his case is different than Keenum's and cannot be compared. That's not to say I'm especially optimistic about the ultimate outcome of Kim's appeal; just explaining its basis.
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Oh ok, so the transfer will be more like the Paul Carter situation (Gopher bball player who transferred to UI-Chicago).

I think there is still a hang up on the situation however:

First, if he did move to be back for family issues, he shouldn't have sat out a season. Paul Carter is playing right now. Since he did sit out a season, that first RS (even though he came to MN for family situation) could be seen as a choice.

Thanks for the insight though, I didn't know that little wrinkle in the Royston case.
 

I think sitting out the year was a result of Royston transferring witin the Big Ten.
I think players that transfer within the Big Ten have to pay their own way as well as sit out a year.
I'm not 100% certain of this but it would definitely explain sitting the year out.
 

cjcarter8 said:
I think sitting out the year was a result of Royston transferring witin the Big Ten.
I think players that transfer within the Big Ten have to pay their own way as well as sit out a year.
I'm not 100% certain of this but it would definitely explain sitting the year out.
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Nearly all players have to sit out a year when they transfer between DI-A schools. There are exceptions, of course, but they are very rare. Intra-conference had no bearing on that.
 



dpodoll68 said:
Nearly all players have to sit out a year when they transfer between DI-A schools. There are exceptions, of course, but they are very rare. Intra-conference had no bearing on that.
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My earlier comment was based on the assertion that Royston transferred home to the U of M to be closer to his ill grandma. The question was asked if that were the case why wasn't he allowed to play immediately (i.e. Paul Carter).
I know for certain that any player transferring within the SEC has to sit out 2 full years. So there are conference specific rules affecting intraconference transfers.
 

Purely speculation, but if he transfered back home to be close to his dying grandmother; is it possible he wanted to sit the year out to closer to the situation and be able to be present more? I know nothing but am just speculating.
 

cjcarter8 said:
I think sitting out the year was a result of Royston transferring witin the Big Ten.
I think players that transfer within the Big Ten have to pay their own way as well as sit out a year.
I'm not 100% certain of this but it would definitely explain sitting the year out.
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Every player has to sit out the next season, with a few exceptions. One of those exceptions is if you have a family medical emergency type of situation (Paul Carter isn't sitting out a season at UI-Chicago this year and he moved back because of his sis's illness).

The paying your own way part is sort of a seperate issue all together.

I think this is the point where we are at with Royston (to sum it up):
-Typically, you have 5 years to play 4 seasons.
-You can sometimes be granted a 6th year if you lost two seasons for reasons outside of your control.
-The Gophers need to convince the NCAA that Royston lost his transfer season for reasons outside of his control. This is where they are arguing that he actually transfered because his grandmother was ill (therefore shouldn't have had to sit out a year)...like Paul Carter
-It gets dicey because he did sit out a season (unlike Paul Carter), so the NCAA could easily argue that even if he did transfer for family reasons, he should have resolved that then and not sat out.
 

The point of my earlier post was that if in fact Royston did in fact transfer to be closer to his ill grandmother it is possible that he would have received an NCAA exception to play immediately. However, Royston is not a typical transfer as he is a intraconference transfer. Which means he may be subject to additional rules not being faced traditional transfers. As stated before each conference as their own rules on intraconference transfers. The Big Ten stipulates that an intraconference transfer sits out the standard 1 year as well as being ineligible for a scolarship at all other member institutions.

My earlier statement was basically to say that it is possible that the NCAA didn't allow Royston to play immediately (assuming the NCAA knew of his grandmother's illness) because of the special circumstances related to his intraconference transfer. In effect defering to the Big Ten's rule on intraconference transfers despite the extenuating circumstance that has now come to light. This is all assuming that he appealled to the NCAA to avoid the mandatory transfer year.

If he didn't appeal to the NCAA at the time of his transfer, Kim is going to have prove that being closer to his ill grandma was the cause of the transfer and not just a result of his transfer.

This is assuming that scenario presented concerning his ill grandmother is the reason for his transfer.
 



uagain said:
Bob, the basis of the Roystons' appeal is that Kim transferred to Minnesota to be close to his dying grandmother. NCAA rules do allow for appeals based on lost years due to family illnesses. So his case is different than Keenum's and cannot be compared. That's not to say I'm especially optimistic about the ultimate outcome of Kim's appeal; just explaining its basis.
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And Royston is telling a big fib to the NCAA. The reason he transferred it that he was upset over not being named a started for UW. If he transferred due to his grandmother's illness, why would be carry the hate and resentment he does for UW? I don't question his family issues, just saying that was not the reason.
 

I would think the Adam Boone case would be the equivalent to Royston.

Boone:
Played 2 years at UNC
Sat out as a transfer
Played one year, then sat out one year with an injury
Granted a 6th year.

Royston:
Played 2 years at Wisconsin
Sat out as a transfer
Played one year, then sat out one year with an injury
Applied for a 6th year
 

Badger1bob said:
And Royston is telling a big fib to the NCAA. The reason he transferred it that he was upset over not being named a started for UW. If he transferred due to his grandmother's illness, why would be carry the hate and resentment he does for UW? I don't question his family issues, just saying that was not the reason.
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No offense badger1bob, but that is exactly what happens in these NCAA ordeals, Royston is surely not an anamoly. A lot of these guys come up with different excuses in hindsight or after they are in the midst of trying to get another season. That's how this whole thing works.

Furthermore, your logic that he must've not left because of his grandmother because he has resentment doesn't really make sense to me. Royston didn't get super angry with Bielema until after BB wouldn't release him from his scholarship once he said he is leaving. That is something that is rare and considered extremely tacky. Now, that wouldn't have mattered in the terms of Royston getting a scholarship because that couldn't happen. However, because Bielema wouldn't release Royston from his scholarship, he wasn't allowed to contact other schools during his process. He wasn't able to talk to the U of MN coaching staff until he started school. If you coupled that with his grandmother's illness playing a part of the decision to come home, then it could make sense that he would harbor an immense amount of resentment.

Again, i'm not saying that being a starter didn't play a big role in why he left WI, I am just saying that Royston's resentment towards WI isn't evidence that he left because of not being a starter.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Again, i'm not saying that being a starter didn't play a big role in why he left WI, I am just saying that Royston's resentment towards WI isn't evidence that he left because of not being a starter.
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Nope, just further evidence that Bielema's a prick and another reason to dislike the guy. Footballwise, I can appreciate that he's had success following in Alvarez's footsteps but he's a classless and arrogant prick. Many Wisconsin fans feel the same. It's as if they've sold their souls.
 


Badger1bob said:
And Royston is telling a big fib to the NCAA. The reason he transferred it that he was upset over not being named a started for UW. If he transferred due to his grandmother's illness, why would be carry the hate and resentment he does for UW? I don't question his family issues, just saying that was not the reason.
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And why would I give a rat's ass about your version of reality regarding this matter?
 

Unregistered User said:
And why would I give a rat's ass about your version of reality regarding this matter?
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Because you are a person of immense intelligence and you like to look at all the facts in any situation and have an open mind before forming your opinion.
 


cjcarter8 said:
I think sitting out the year was a result of Royston transferring witin the Big Ten.
I think players that transfer within the Big Ten have to pay their own way as well as sit out a year.
I'm not 100% certain of this but it would definitely explain sitting the year out.
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dpodoll68 said:
Nearly all players have to sit out a year when they transfer between DI-A schools. There are exceptions, of course, but they are very rare. Intra-conference had no bearing on that.
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Bielema would not release Royston from his scholarship. That is (another reason other than the transfer rule) why he had to sit out and pay his own way.

After that mean-spirited pr!ckness, he went for two.
 

GVBadger said:
Because you are a person of immense intelligence and you like to look at all the facts in any situation and have an open mind before forming your opinion.
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Facts? What facts were presented?
 

Guys slow your roll. When Kim first got hurt, Bret was one of the first people to reach out to him. Any issues Bret and I had were resolved years ago, it just wasn't made public. Kim was stuck in the middle.

Personal aspects have never been made public (or at least confirmed), asside from wanting to beat each other once a year...all is good.
 

Unregistered User said:
And why would I give a rat's ass about your version of reality regarding this matter?
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Because over here if there was a MN transfer at another Big Ten school who was making the request, this would be pointed out. I find it really funny actually, all this hatred for the Badgers every year at game time, and then Oh it was really Grandma. Come'on.

It may happen all the time as one poster said, but it's still fair game to point out the facts. Royston transferred because he was second string coming out of spring ball. He went to a program where he knew he could start. Royston's dad made pulic comments about his son not being given a fair deal by the UW defensive coaches. But these things are and should be decided on the practice field at UW. Finally, it pretty standard for a coach to grant a release only for a player to seek a transfer outside of the conference. Good idea to try to avoid exactly this type of situation.
 

Badger1bob said:
Because over here if there was a MN transfer at another Big Ten school who was making the request, this would be pointed out. I find it really funny actually, all this hatred for the Badgers every year at game time, and then Oh it was really Grandma. Come'on.

It may happen all the time as one poster said, but it's still fair game to point out the facts. Royston transferred because he was second string coming out of spring ball. He went to a program where he knew he could start. Royston's dad made pulic comments about his son not being given a fair deal by the UW defensive coaches. But these things are and should be decided on the practice field at UW. Finally, it pretty standard for a coach to grant a release only for a player to seek a transfer outside of the conference. Good idea to try to avoid exactly this type of situation.
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And I repeat my question: Why would I care what you think? Stick to you own board, you bring nothing to the table.
 

Badger1bob said:
Because over here if there was a MN transfer at another Big Ten school who was making the request, this would be pointed out. I find it really funny actually, all this hatred for the Badgers every year at game time, and then Oh it was really Grandma. Come'on.

It may happen all the time as one poster said, but it's still fair game to point out the facts. Royston transferred because he was second string coming out of spring ball. He went to a program where he knew he could start. Royston's dad made pulic comments about his son not being given a fair deal by the UW defensive coaches. But these things are and should be decided on the practice field at UW. Finally, it pretty standard for a coach to grant a release only for a player to seek a transfer outside of the conference. Good idea to try to avoid exactly this type of situation.
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But you need to live in reality Bob. It does happen like this all the time.

Additionally, if he was moving home to be closer to his grandma (as one of the reasons), it is conceivable that Bielema not letting him talk to Gopher coaches until he arrived would be the source of Kim's angst.

The point is that Royston's anger towards Bucky is NOT proof that he left solely for PT reasons. That is a strawman argument.
 

Badger1bob said:
Because over here if there was a MN transfer at another Big Ten school who was making the request, this would be pointed out. I find it really funny actually, all this hatred for the Badgers every year at game time, and then Oh it was really Grandma. Come'on.

It may happen all the time as one poster said, but it's still fair game to point out the facts. Royston transferred because he was second string coming out of spring ball. He went to a program where he knew he could start. Royston's dad made pulic comments about his son not being given a fair deal by the UW defensive coaches. But these things are and should be decided on the practice field at UW. Finally, it pretty standard for a coach to grant a release only for a player to seek a transfer outside of the conference. Good idea to try to avoid exactly this type of situation.
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Facts? Half the things you wrote are inaccurate, they are not facts. Regardless, if your "facts" are correct then its moot. The NCAA will get the "facts" from Wisconsin.
 

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