Question about SMU's death penalty?

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Anyone out there know why Southern Methodist got the death penaly many years ago?

Was it player's getting paid off or I thought it was because of player's involved in a cheating scandal in the classroom's?
It was quite a while ago so my memory cannot pick up what really happened. Just curious.:confused:

Go Gopher's
 


As per Wikipedia:

SMU football, 1986-88
See also: Southern Methodist University football scandal
SMU football had already been placed on three years' probation in 1985 for recruiting violations. At the time, it had been on probation seven times (including five times since 1974), more than any other school in Division I-A.[2]

However, in 1986, SMU faced allegations that players were still being paid. An investigation found that 21 players received approximately $61,000 in cash payments, with the assistance of athletic department staff members, from a slush fund provided by a booster. Payments ranged from $50 to $725 per month, and started only a month after SMU went on its original probation (though it later emerged that a slush fund had been maintained in one form or another since the mid-1970s). Also, SMU officials lied to NCAA officials about when the payments stopped.

While the school had assured the NCAA that players were no longer being paid, the school's board of governors, led by chairman Bill Clements, decided that the school had to honor previous commitments made to the players. However, under a secret plan adopted by the board, the school would phase out the slush once all players that were still being paid had graduated.[3]

As a result:

The 1987 season was canceled; only conditioning drills (without pads) would be permitted until the spring of 1988.
All home games in 1988 were canceled. SMU was allowed to play their seven regularly scheduled away games so that other institutions would not be financially affected. The university would ultimately choose not to do so (see below).
The team's existing probation was extended to 1990. Its existing ban from bowl games and live television was extended to 1989.
SMU lost 55 new scholarship positions over 4 years.
The team was only allowed to hire five full-time assistant coaches, instead of the typical nine.
No off-campus recruiting would be permitted until August 1988, and no paid visits could be made to campus by would-be recruits until the start of the 1988-89 school year.
The infractions committee cited the need to "eliminate a program that was built on a legacy of wrongdoing, deceit and rule violations" as a factor in what is still the harshest penalty ever meted out to any major collegiate program. It also cited SMU's past history of violations and the "great competitive advantage" the Mustangs had gained as a result of cheating. However, it praised SMU for cooperating fully with the investigation, as well as its stated intent to run a clean program. Had SMU not fully cooperated, it would have had its football program shut down until 1989, and would have lost its right to vote at NCAA conventions until 1990.[4]

All recruits and players were allowed to transfer without losing eligibility, and most did. On April 11, 1987, SMU announced its football team would stay shuttered for 1988 as well, citing the near-certainty that it wouldn't have enough experienced players left to field a competitive team.[5] Their concerns proved valid, as new coach Forrest Gregg was left with a severely undersized and underweight roster comprised mostly of freshmen.
 

Let's not forget that Eric Dickerson and Craig James (yes, that Craig James) were both on that team (ableit a couple of years before the story "broke"). James was never accused of wrongdoing at a school where wrongdoing was a way of life.

"Ever convicted of a crime?"
"Umm...never...'convicted'."
 

Does anyone have any insight into why USC isn't facing more flak from their Reggie Bush, OJ mayo scandal, and now this Joey McKnight deal?

After the penalties placed on our basketball program for the test taking scandal, anyone have any insight into why Indiana basketball is not facing similar penalties?

I have a conspiracy theory that the NCAA simply won't come down on major "face" programs like they did on SMU any longer. I really would be shocked if there isn't more to the USC stuff than has been reported.
 


I never understood how Miami (FL) dodged the bullet the struck SMU.

In the 40 for 40 documentary these guys flat-out admit they were all being paid for play. And at the time there seemed to be a common understanding that the whole "you can't pay players" rule didn't apply to the Hurricanes.

It seems pretty obvious the NCAA doesn't have a consistent policy for enforcement.
 

I have a conspiracy theory that the NCAA simply won't come down on major "face" programs like they did on SMU any longer. I really would be shocked if there isn't more to the USC stuff than has been reported.

I don't think the NCAA has the stomach for the death penalty anymore. Since SMU, they've given it out only to a D-II soccer program and a D-III tennis program. For a school like USC to get it, the violations would have to be so over the top and so undeniable as to give them no choice. Even then there would be tremendous pressure not to.

The SMU scandal didn't just take down a team, it killed an entire conference. The top schools (except for SMU itself, of course) would up fine in BCS conferences, but it hurt Rice and TCU a lot.
 

I never understood how Miami (FL) dodged the bullet the struck SMU.

In the 40 for 40 documentary these guys flat-out admit they were all being paid for play. And at the time there seemed to be a common understanding that the whole "you can't pay players" rule didn't apply to the Hurricanes.

It seems pretty obvious the NCAA doesn't have a consistent policy for enforcement.


Miami didn't get away with it. Here's the NCAA Report Summary from Dec. 1995.

Violation Sumary: IMPROPER FINANCIAL AID: institution awarded more than $412,000 in excessive aid as a result of improperly calculating off-campus room and board stipends; student-athletes received an average of $110 in impermissible books a semester; student-athletes were improperly compensated for employment. EXTRA BENEFITS: athletics department staff member helped student-athletes fraudulently receive a total of $212,969 in Pell Grants; cash awards to football student-athletes for game performance. ATHLETICS DEPARTMENT FAILED TO FOLLOW DRUG-TESTING POLICY. UNETHICAL CONDUCT. LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL.

Penalty Summary: Public reprimand; FOOTBALL: reduction from 25 to 18 initial awards for 1995-96, from 25 to 12 for 1996-97 and from 25 to 14 for 1997-98; reduction from 85 to 80 total awards for 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98; postseason ban for 1995.
 

I think the thing about SMU is that it was flat-out institutional rot from top-to-bottom. It wasn't an envelope of $20s here or a rented Escalade there, it was organized and included athletic department staff. Personnel at some of the "face" programs (as Ole called them) are probably aware of some violations, but I doubt very much that anyone on a college payroll is actually involved in the delivery of the goods anymore.
 



I lived in Dallas during the Dicker-James period. I was a close friend with one of the people (a starting lineman) that was involved in the original probation. He was very open about what had gone on and was absolutely adamant that Texas and A & M were their big cash competitors. I recall in an interview (I wish I could find it) in which Dickerson admitted that he was offered cars, cattle, cash and oil wells. He refused, as I recall, to name schools.

One of the best stories that circulated (and this is a 20+ year old recollection) was that, when asked about his new Trans Am (I think it was), Dickerson said it was a gift of his Grandmother. She cleaned offices at night and had "Promised" any of her grandchildren who got into college a new car. A reporter found a second grandchild that was a freshman in another school so the supporter that gave him the car had to come up with a second one for his cousin. I have no idea if this was true, but made for a great fodder at the time.

Also as amazing as it seems now, there was a third freshman running back named Charles Wagonner (sp?). He was actually ahead of both Dickerson and James. He and Dickerson were scheduled to share duties the first game as a freshman. He was hurt returning a kick early in the game and I believe he never played again.
 

Now that is interesting stuff, great question and nice responses...
 

I never understood how Miami (FL) dodged the bullet the struck SMU.

In the 40 for 40 documentary these guys flat-out admit they were all being paid for play. And at the time there seemed to be a common understanding that the whole "you can't pay players" rule didn't apply to the Hurricanes.

It seems pretty obvious the NCAA doesn't have a consistent policy for enforcement.

the guys at Miami were compensated with out the knowledge of the university...
those kids were from dade county and the dope dealers and rap moguls that were paying them were doing it in the vip section of the clubs as well as at house parties off campus and many of the people who were paying them were family members and it wasn't pay for play they were bounties and special incentives because the dope dealers and gamblers were laying huge private wagers on the out come of the game
 

the guys at Miami were compensated with out the knowledge of the university...
those kids were from dade county and the dope dealers and rap moguls that were paying them were doing it in the vip section of the clubs as well as at house parties off campus and many of the people who were paying them were family members and it wasn't pay for play they were bounties and special incentives because the dope dealers and gamblers were laying huge private wagers on the out come of the game

That's still illegal. And the NCAA punished Miami for it. Here's a the NCAA Report again and I'll put it in bold for you.

NCAA Report Summary from Dec. 1995.

Violation Sumary: IMPROPER FINANCIAL AID: institution awarded more than $412,000 in excessive aid as a result of improperly calculating off-campus room and board stipends; student-athletes received an average of $110 in impermissible books a semester; student-athletes were improperly compensated for employment. EXTRA BENEFITS: athletics department staff member helped student-athletes fraudulently receive a total of $212,969 in Pell Grants; cash awards to football student-athletes for game performance. ATHLETICS DEPARTMENT FAILED TO FOLLOW DRUG-TESTING POLICY. UNETHICAL CONDUCT. LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL.

Penalty Summary: Public reprimand; FOOTBALL: reduction from 25 to 18 initial awards for 1995-96, from 25 to 12 for 1996-97 and from 25 to 14 for 1997-98; reduction from 85 to 80 total awards for 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98; postseason ban for 1995.
 



That's still illegal. And the NCAA punished Miami for it. Here's a the NCAA Report again and I'll put it in bold for you.

NCAA Report Summary from Dec. 1995.

Violation Sumary: IMPROPER FINANCIAL AID: institution awarded more than $412,000 in excessive aid as a result of improperly calculating off-campus room and board stipends; student-athletes received an average of $110 in impermissible books a semester; student-athletes were improperly compensated for employment. EXTRA BENEFITS: athletics department staff member helped student-athletes fraudulently receive a total of $212,969 in Pell Grants; cash awards to football student-athletes for game performance. ATHLETICS DEPARTMENT FAILED TO FOLLOW DRUG-TESTING POLICY. UNETHICAL CONDUCT. LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL.

Penalty Summary: Public reprimand; FOOTBALL: reduction from 25 to 18 initial awards for 1995-96, from 25 to 12 for 1996-97 and from 25 to 14 for 1997-98; reduction from 85 to 80 total awards for 1995-96, 1996-97 and 1997-98; postseason ban for 1995.

agreed that it is illegal but the sanctions were not from recieving payments from out side sources
those allegations were worded likely but unproven the original question was what was the difference between s.m.u paying players and the players at miami receiving payments.... i was pointing out the difference.. which is s.m.u had a slush fund set up by boosters with the knowledge of the university.... as to where miami players were getting paid by underground characters that that miami would not even want on campus let alone to have any thing do with the university hell they didnt even want the kids that played for them on campus.. i personally knew some guys who played at miami durinf that period and they couldn't walk out the door at night with out beingpicked up by campus police
 




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