pp; NIT coaches give kudos to Richard Pitino ... and Tubby Smith

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"It was a perfect situation to have an opportunity to grow with an NCAA tournament team returning," said Hamilton, who leads Florida State (22-13) against Minnesota (23-13) in the NIT semifinals on Tuesday at Madison Square Garden.

"Tubby left him a good group," said Brown, who coaches at Southern Methodist, which plays in the first semifinal Tuesday against Clemson. "And (Pitino has) done an amazing job. When you follow a coach who has good values and kids play the right way, it's a lot easier to come in. But that doesn't take anything away from what he's done."

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci...ketball-nit-coaches-give-kudos-richard-pitino
 

Same old boy's network that love Tubby. Both coaches took a shot at Pitino imo. NCCA tournament team without two guys playing pro ball and another starter leaving? It would be nice to just move on instead of these pointless threads. How about another one on modeling our program after Wisconsin?
 

Yeah I find this interesting. Three starters gone in MBakwe, Williams and Coleman. Team would not have been as good if Pitino doesn't go out and get Mathieu. Plus he gets all the credit in my book for the improvement of Mo. At the point Pitino was hired this team needed some help and he did a great job. If Tubby wasn't cut loose last year can you imagine how things would have gone without Mathieu, and Joey King? Would have had Foster, Alvin Ellis here and a much bigger Mo. Not sure that team finishes with more than 5 big ten wins.
 


I think it is completely fair to evaluate the record of Tubby's six years, for better or worse. Probably also fair to compare year one of Pitino vs year one of Tubby, recognizing they had different players. But I do think it's a little unfair to speculate what Tubby would have done with this team in year seven. Clearly Malik Smith/Little Dre/King are exclusively Pitino's recruits. Ellis/Foster/spring signing or two would have been exclusively Tubby's recruits. We really don't know what Tubby's guys would have done at Minnesota. Ellis was buried behind some pretty good talent at Michigan State. Foster...not so much.

As quickly as we want to laud Pitino for Mo's improvement, we seem to blame injuries and the player himself for not improving in the case of Hollins and Elliason. We don't know if we would have gotten better (or worse) results from these two under Tubby's leadership. I just think we need to be consistent in how we evaluate.
 


without Matheiu and an in-shape Mo Walker, we would have been a CBI team. Dumb comments
 

If Tubby was Dan Monson he would not even been brought up by Brown or Hamilton about his time or supposedly great record at Minnesota.
 

golfing18now said:
As quickly as we want to laud Pitino for Mo's improvement, we seem to blame injuries and the player himself for not improving in the case of Hollins and Elliason. We don't know if we would have gotten better (or worse) results from these two under Tubby's leadership. I just think we need to be consistent in how we evaluate.
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I'd say there are as many people blaming the new system as there are blaming the injuries for Dre's struggles. He wasn't struggling before the injury but he wasn't what we expected he would be. He had to adjust to playing a new system and without the ball in his hands.
With Eliason it is difficult to tell where his problems begin. I would say his problems are mostly mental but I don't think we can put the blame on anyone for mental issues.
 




Richard Pitino has zero respect amongst his peers. And coaches definitely have a fraternity. It's really amazing actually. I'm not sure he's done anything to deserve it, but I think it's mostly due to his meteoric rise based upon his last name, while most coaches toil away for years before landing the 'big' job. It's kinda like the kid with the silver spoon.
 

KyGopherfan said:
Richard Pitino has zero respect amongst his peers. And coaches definitely have a fraternity. It's really amazing actually. I'm not sure he's done anything to deserve it, but I think it's mostly due to his meteoric rise based upon his last name, while most coaches toil away for years before landing the 'big' job. It's kinda like the kid with the silver spoon.
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Completely agree. Hopefully he know that too and uses it as motivation.
 

KyGopherfan said:
Richard Pitino has zero respect amongst his peers. And coaches definitely have a fraternity. It's really amazing actually. I'm not sure he's done anything to deserve it, but I think it's mostly due to his meteoric rise based upon his last name, while most coaches toil away for years before landing the 'big' job. It's kinda like the kid with the silver spoon.
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I think you are on to something. The power conferences usually hire more mature coaches who have paid their dues. The other three coaches are all veterans and one is a 70+ year old hall of famer. While I think Richard has done OK under the circumstances, he is going to go through some trials and errors while he learns on the job and he's not going to get the instant respect of some others.
 

KyGopherfan said:
Richard Pitino has zero respect amongst his peers. And coaches definitely have a fraternity. It's really amazing actually. I'm not sure he's done anything to deserve it, but I think it's mostly due to his meteoric rise based upon his last name, while most coaches toil away for years before landing the 'big' job. It's kinda like the kid with the silver spoon.
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This has surprised me, but there's no question about it. It comes across loud and clear - starting with Bo Ryan's snide remarks about "it must be nice" or something like that.

Don't get me wrong - I have the utmost respect for people like Ryan and John Beilein and others who worked their way up from middle school coaching or wherever. But people should have some appreciation for what Pitino's trying to do as well: start young and relatively inexperienced and learn the trade on the job. And where's the hate for someone like Fred Hoiberg, who was handed his job solely because he was a super player with local ties?
 



KyGopherfan said:
Richard Pitino has zero respect amongst his peers. And coaches definitely have a fraternity. It's really amazing actually. I'm not sure he's done anything to deserve it, but I think it's mostly due to his meteoric rise based upon his last name, while most coaches toil away for years before landing the 'big' job. It's kinda like the kid with the silver spoon.
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Yep. I think that will work to our advantage though. Pitino will be hungry to prove them all wrong. I mean he's already pissed at Bo - yeah!

All that matters is that his bosses, the players and the fans respect and like him. I think he's got that in spades.
 

Miles Tarver said:
without Matheiu and an in-shape Mo Walker, we would have been a CBI team. Dumb comments
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Purely speculative, based solely on your dislike of Tubby. Dumb response.

Regarding Tubby....hammer away at his six years, if you want. I've done the same. I'm happy they made the change. But it's a little silly to declare this is a a CBI team under Tubby when a third of the roster would have been completely different. Additionally, he may have gotten more (or less) from the eight players that would have been common to both coaches.

Regarding Pitino....again, I'm happy with the hire. But if we are going to pat him on the back for the improvement in Mo and the addition of Mathieu, we should also be allowed to ask the question about the lack of improvement of Andre, Austin (prior to the last two weeks), and Elliason. If arguably the three most important players coming into the season had all taken steps forward, we wouldn't be talking about the NIT. That being said, I'm still excited about the direction of the program.
 

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