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Instead of making a thread to point out your expert reason as to why we lost, just post them in here.
 

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Buck the Fadgers said:
Instead of making a thread to point out your expert reason as to why we lost, just post them in here.
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OK. We got our butt handed to us in the second half. Virginia shot lights out and deserved to win. It wasn't any one player's fault.

Tubby will figure it out.

Cornell Saturday.
 

Bad loss period.

Just make sure it doesn't matter tourney time.
 






Just like the Miami game last year. except this was at home. Never thought I'd want Al Nolen to be in the game so much as I did tonight
 

If this is not worthy of a meltdown, nothing is at all. Top 15, losing to a team who has been blown out all year while at home is a complete and utter failure. Epic fail. Tubby better whoop them in practice the rest of the year as far as i am concerned.
 



EverTheSkeptic said:
Blowing a 10 point lead at home makes this a bad loss.
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Right... but we don't know the extent yet. Worst losses have happened to better teams. We won't even be thinking about this game in a month and people are acting as if it's decided our season. I wonder if Louisville thought they were in big trouble after losing to us 2 years ago, then locked up a 1 seed in the tourny.
 

97alumni said:
Very true - they could go on a roll and be a very good team.
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Did you see them play? They shot 70% from 3, 95% from FT, and still barely beat a team that gave zero effort and had a poor gameplan.
 

Buck the Fadgers said:
Right... but we don't know the extent yet. Worst losses have happened to better teams. We won't even be thinking about this game in a month and people are acting as if it's decided our season. I wonder if Louisville thought they were in big trouble after losing to us 2 years ago, then locked up a 1 seed in the tourny.
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That's the thing...you assume we recover. For every Louisville, I can give you 3 examples of teams that failed when dealing with success. We know this team can be successful. That doesn't mean their inflated egos will allow for it. That's what makes what follows so important.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
That's the thing...you assume we recover.
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Well I don't expect our opponents to shot 70% from behind the arc and 80% from the line if that's what you're saying. I don't have any reason to consider this effort a trend since it happened once and we have played 7 games. If any of you guys think our effort will be worse after this loss then you have obviously never played in any kind of organized sports.
 



so, do you all see now why rodney and al are starters? people dont score on them. rodney in the game, 12 had 6 points, rodney out, 12 ends game with 20
 

Pewterschmidt said:
That's the thing...you assume we recover. For every Louisville, I can give you 3 examples of teams that failed when dealing with success. We know this team can be successful. That doesn't mean their inflated egos will allow for it. That's what makes what follows so important.
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How many threads are you going to make this point in? Other then the fact that they played like crap tonight, what have they said/done to make you think they have big heads? You're acting like we're some mid-major with a sense of entitlement, who's never won big games before. Prior to tonight we had a couple good wins and got into the Top 25. No one crowned us or anything. We played a terrible half of basketball, panicked a bit without our starting PG and lost to a young, schitzo ACC team. Nothing more. Nothing less. Take your hand off the panic button.
 

Most disappointed in Sampson and Iverson tonight. Where was Sampsons new found confidence? Mo looked more into the game then they did.
 

howeda7 said:
How many threads are you going to make this point in? Other then the fact that they played like crap tonight, what have they said/done to make you think they have big heads? You're acting like we're some mid-major with a sense of entitlement, who's never won big games before. Prior to tonight we had a couple good wins and got into the Top 25. No one crowned us or anything. We played a terrible half of basketball, panicked a bit without our starting PG and lost to a young, schitzo ACC team. Nothing more. Nothing less. Take your hand off the panic button.
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This game was the epitome of thinking your sh!t doesn't stink. Some teams respond to that wake up call. Others don't. What I do know is we have the capability of reading our own press clippings and think we can just walk into the gym and beat those below us. The proof was in the pudding tonight. No one had to say anything. Their effort was proof, especially considering the kind of effort they put up against UNC and WV. This isn't rocket science to figure out. We played token defense due to our inflated egos.
 

Buck the Fadgers said:
Well I don't expect our opponents to shot 70% from behind the arc and 80% from the line if that's what you're saying. I don't have any reason to consider this effort a trend since it happened once and we have played 7 games. If any of you guys think our effort will be worse after this loss then you have obviously never played in any kind of organized sports.
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What exactly makes you think that we're really that good? We beat a mediocre UNC team by 5, beat WVU in the last minute, lost terribly at home to UVa, looked mediocre against NDSU, barely beat Winona State in an exhibition match, and haven't blown a single team out this season.

While this was probably a blip more than reality, it's not like we're going to somehow get a dozen wins out of the Big Ten schedule. Like every past year, somehow we find a way to have to sweat it out on Selection Sunday. It doesn't have to be that way.
 

Pewterschmidt said:
This game was the epitome of thinking your sh!t doesn't stink. Some teams respond to that wake up call. Others don't. What I do know is we have the capability of reading our own press clippings and think we can just walk into the gym and beat those below us. The proof was in the pudding tonight. No one had to say anything. Their effort was proof, especially considering the kind of effort they put up against UNC and WV. This isn't rocket science to figure out. We played token defense due to our inflated egos.
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The defense was awful, but you are insinuating that it was due to them reading press clippings and having inflated egos with no evidence of either. Certainly there could have been better effort, but they did just lose their PG and best defender. And they didn't lose to South Dakota tonight, despite the sky-is-falling attitude on here. I hope the 5-8 ACC teams UVa beats all panic like this too.
 

cncmin said:
What exactly makes you think that we're really that good? We beat a mediocre UNC team by 5, beat WVU in the last minute, lost terribly at home to UVa, looked mediocre against NDSU, barely beat Winona State in an exhibition match, and haven't blown a single team out this season.

While this was probably a blip more than reality, it's not like we're going to somehow get a dozen wins out of the Big Ten schedule. Like every past year, somehow we find a way to have to sweat it out on Selection Sunday. It doesn't have to be that way.
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When have tubby's teams ever blow anyone out? Believe it or not a team can lose because of the way the other team played. Funny how after we beat Iowa in football, we talk about how great the team played, and how they really earned that win. But Iowa fan's say they played terrible and gave us the game. I'm not saying were really good, but I am saying I've seen 3 Virginia games and I haven't seen them play anything like this yet. Don't they say a poor loser never gives the other team credit for the win? Some nights, we will play bad, and the other team will play worse. Some nights, we will play without our starting PG, and the other team will have their best game of the year.
 

Buck the Fadgers said:
When have tubby's teams ever blow anyone out? Believe it or not a team can lose because of the way the other team played. Funny how after we beat Iowa in football, we talk about how great the team played, and how they really earned that win. But Iowa fan's say they played terrible and gave us the game. I'm not saying were really good, but I am saying I've seen 3 Virginia games and I haven't seen them play anything like this yet. Don't they say a poor loser never gives the other team credit for the win? Some nights, we will play bad, and the other team will play worse. Some nights, we will play without our starting PG, and the other team will have their best game of the year.
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You know how you beat that mediocre team on their best night? Play hard for 40 minutes and don't play slow defense right into their only strength (outside shooting).

We'd have beat them by 25 with ANY defensive intelligence/effort tonight at all.
 

Well, I started getting worried when Virginia hit their first 3-pointer and I noticed that Hof was guarding the guy who hit it. I knew if they kept Hof on him it would be trouble for us (just like it was in the previous game where the guy Hof was guarding had the hot hand until Tubby switched Nolen over on him).

Then of course I was a little less worried when we were up 13...

Did Hof guard Harris most of the time tonight?
 

brucekaupa said:
Well, I started getting worried when Virginia hit their first 3-pointer and I noticed that Hof was guarding the guy who hit it. I knew if they kept Hof on him it would be trouble for us (just like it was in the previous game where the guy Hof was guarding had the hot hand until Tubby switched Nolen over on him).

Then of course I was a little less worried when we were up 13...

Did Hof guard Harris most of the time tonight?
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Hoff was awful defensively tonight, and gave up as many points as he scored. That said, he at least probably broke even, meaning other matchups were actually the negative ones; including, sadly, Senes vs. our centers.
 

cncmin said:
You know how you beat that mediocre team on their best night? Play hard for 40 minutes and don't play slow defense right into their only strength (outside shooting).

We'd have beat them by 25 with ANY defensive intelligence/effort tonight at all.
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Their only strength apparently doesn't include their leading scorer.

We would get our largest win of the year instead of a loss if we played any kind of defense? Step away from the cliff sir.
 

Buck the Fadgers said:
Their only strength apparently doesn't include their leading scorer.

We would get our largest win of the year instead of a loss if we played any kind of defense? Step away from the cliff sir.
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Um, yeah. We had a 10-point lead at half with us not playing any defense and them shooting the lights out, too. All we had to do was repeat the horrible effort of the first half and we'd have won by 20. Instead, they somehow did the impossible and not only played worse the second half, but so absolutely horrible and effortless that they might have lost to Hopkins JV squad.
 

Cut and paste comment from another thread from me:

Knock it off. Almost all commentors here on GopherHole bragged about how good we were, how we will be 12-0 going into the Big Ten Season, how tough we will be come that Big Ten Season and let the team's success go to our heads. It isn't the team that doesn't know how to handle success, it is the fans. The guys read our braggart comments and believe us, hence we failed them. Yes, maybe this loss will hurt our National Rankings for the time being, but in the long run this loss helps Tubby Smith get them back on track. Let's relax, have a beer, and let Tubby do his job. Smack talk and bragging hurts more than it helps.
 

Buck the Fadgers said:
When have tubby's teams ever blow anyone out? Believe it or not a team can lose because of the way the other team played. Funny how after we beat Iowa in football, we talk about how great the team played, and how they really earned that win. But Iowa fan's say they played terrible and gave us the game. I'm not saying were really good, but I am saying I've seen 3 Virginia games and I haven't seen them play anything like this yet. Don't they say a poor loser never gives the other team credit for the win? Some nights, we will play bad, and the other team will play worse. Some nights, we will play without our starting PG, and the other team will have their best game of the year.
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There's a huge difference between losing to a team that basically sold their soul to the devil given all of the shots they made and losing to a team that was shooting like it was a pre-game shoot around. The latter happened tonight. The latter is on us.

UVa is a bad ACC team. They'll be lucky to win a road conference game all year.

I'd also argue that Iowa came in with no motivation in football. Good for us but bad for them. Regardless, Iowa put on a pitiful performance. They walked thru the motions just like our "we can just walk into the gym and beat a bad UVa" team just did. Doesn't make the victory over Iowa any less sweet or the loss to a BAD UVa team at home any less bitter.
 

Play of the big men

I don't know that it's really worth our time to psychoanalyze whether the team let success go to their head. It's an unsolvable question, and a fairly irrelevant one.

I do know that probably our biggest strength this year is our big men and we got shown up tonight. Ralph was extremely passive, Colton was very hit and miss, Mo actually played ok, but generally none of them kept the UVA centers from getting great post position on plenty of possessions and converting that into points. We should never, ever get outrebounded this year. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.

Everybody's gotta chill out though. It's one loss, early in the season. Talk to me when conference play rolls around.
 

What a disgusting performance by the team and coaches

That was disgusting. Players certainly have days when they're sluggish and things just aren't clicking, but it's simply impermissible in games (in particular when the first half is played fairly well). I have rarely been so disgusted by a performance but that was just sad and weak.

Issues:
-No inside game in the second half
-Inability to handle pressure on the perimeter and traps (2nd half)
-Horrible shots and low percentage shots (2nd half)
-No poise in the second half
-Devoe Joseph literally pounding the air out of the ball (stop dribbling, guy!); when you dribble constantly and/or make one pass before getting the ball back and attempting to score, you are not allowing the offense to get into the flow and it really inhibits what is possible
-Hoffarber unable to hit the ocean from the beach (and mediocre defense)
-Poor help defense (esp. 2nd half)
-Lousy composure and discipline by freshmen guards
-UVA coming out with a new plan in the second half while Tubby's lackadaisical approach suggested he was seriously outcoached (I'd like him to come out and acknowledge this since it seemed pretty apparent); not calling timeouts certainly pushes the team to figure things out on their own, however it led to our guys getting into holes they couldn't get out of tonight. Coaching was beyond suspect
-No toughness (if a team is draining everything, like UVA was, you need to get out there and be so physical that the other team can't help but feel awkward; push them, shove them, body them and make them so uncomfortable by your presence, even if it requires a few fouls)
-They rushed things and had no offensive flow in the second half -- too much dribbling, not enough play down low, no transition game

I was horribly disappointed by that game. You just can't allow teams to shoot that high of a percentage from the floor. At some point you either man up and play some solid defense, or you change up your defensive package or knock them on their a**es for a while. Regardless, that was a toothless performance by the team and an unfocused/uninspired performance by the coaching staff.
 

It's not worthy of a meltdown because it's a single effing game. We seriously have the most neurotic fan base. And believe it or not, whooping the players in practice isn't always the solution.

JackiO said:
If this is not worthy of a meltdown, nothing is at all. Top 15, losing to a team who has been blown out all year while at home is a complete and utter failure. Epic fail. Tubby better whoop them in practice the rest of the year as far as i am concerned.
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