'Overwhelming Circumstantial Evidence' points to Wuhan Lab as Covid Origin

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The source is very significant. If it was from a lab and there was either an intentional or unintentional release, China has an enormous responsibility to the rest of the world to provide financial compensation for the millions of lives lost and trillions in economic damage. Maybe if the G10 and other countries band together and create an embargo or other financial sanctions we can hold them accountable.
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Does Journalism have a pulse? Article with relevant tweeted journalists, including the formerly esteemed NYT. Enormous errors in credibility and false sources used to get one fired at legitimate newspapers.




“But if you actually dug into the quotes that experts were giving reporters, many of them were fairly restrained, indicating that they leaned toward the hypothesis that the virus emerged through natural contact.

While some journalists took the question seriously, many of them bluntly conflated the lab-leak hypothesis with different claims made by Trump and his allies: that the virus was originally created as a biological weapon, or even that China intentionally started the pandemic. Story after story depicted the lab-leak hypothesis as clearly false and even racist.

The outlets that fared worst were those like the Guardian, Slate, and Vox (which is owned by the same company that owns New York Media), which embraced a “moral clarity” ethos of forgoing traditional journalistic norms of restraint and objectivity in favor of calling out lies and bigotry.

In recent days, as the scientific groundswell behind the lab-leak hypothesis has grown louder, it has been possible to watch the objections form on Twitter, where the motivated reasoning is often undisguised.

Some progressive journalists insisted that since the lab-leak theory was favored by some people who also endorsed different conspiracy theories, it was itself inherently tainted by racism:

“Watching this response unfold helps explain the mentality that produced the original failure. Progressive advocates will take strong positions on a factual question, such as whether COVID-19 originated inside or outside a laboratory, based entirely on how they believe political actors will use the answer.

The problem isn’t that they’re wrong; anybody can make an analytical error. It’s that they’re not even trying to be right.

Not only will they reject a factual possibility that might flatter their political opponents, but they will assume anybody who takes a different view must also hold political motivations. Since many advocates of lab-leak theory also endorse racist beliefs, anybody who believes it might be true shares in their guilt. What’s completely absent from their thinking is any notion that the truth of the question could be abstracted from motive.

Not everybody who dismissed the lab-leak hypothesis as a debunked crank obsession was this indifferent to the facts of the case. Far from it. The problem is that the people with the strongest views had the weakest interest in the truth. An asymmetry of passion between their insistence that the lab-leak hypothesis was false and racist and the weaker feelings of others — who, at most, believed the hypothesis was only possibly true — created a stampede toward the most extreme denial.

Social media wasn’t the only reason the media botched this story. The question arose in an atmosphere of uncertainty, compounded by China’s lack of transparency and Trump’s long record of pathological lying.

But Twitter is the milieu in which the opinions of elite reporters take shape. And very often it is a petri dish of tribalism and confirmation bias. This dynamic is why conservative media is virtually devoid of serious journalism and overrun with propaganda. The idiotic conformity of the right’s pseudo-journalistic apparatus should inspire horror, not complacency or (worse still) envy. If progressive and mainstream media wish to avoid following this path, the lab-leak fiasco should be a case study.”

 

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Does Journalism have a pulse? Article with relevant tweeted journalists, including the formerly esteemed NYT. Enormous errors in credibility and false sources used to get one fired at legitimate newspapers.
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Oh howie, here’s another chance to deflect from the point about the cartoon. Let me just do if for you. Legalinsurrection.com created this political cartoon. Tweets from lefty yahoos are so much more worthy of posting. 🤣

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RHETORIC.

It’s almost like the Biden Administration wanted to end the Trump State Dept investigation, so that they can control the narrative and claim that they were the investigators, not Trump and Pompeo.
They then can either take credit for the investigation or minimize blame to China that ties their hands.

CNN: Biden shut down Trump, Pompeo effort to prove Wuhan lab theory​

The Biden administration has reportedly shut down a discrete State Department operation, launched by former President Trump and his Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, to prove the widely-disputed theory that COVID-19 originated in a lab in Wuhan, China.

CNN reported Tuesday that the current administration ultimately halted the effort over concerns regarding the quality of the inquiry’s work, according to three sources familiar with the decision.
Individuals who were involved with the probe, which began last fall, told CNN that the operation was initially a genuine attempt to investigate if China’s biological weapons program may have played a larger part in the pandemic’s emergence in Wuhan.

Soon after its launch, however, the investigation became the subject of disagreement inside the State Department, with some worried that the probe was an element in the Trump administration’s wider effort to blame China for the pandemic, and hand-pick facts to help bolster a theory.

The effort’s operations were shuttered after Biden administration officials were briefed on the probe’s key findings in February and March, a State Department spokesperson told CNN.

Officials ultimately determined that the inquiry was an ineffective use of resources, after raising questions regarding the legitimacy of the team’s discoveries, a source familiar with the decision told the network.

Individuals in the Trump administration who worked on the project, however, rebuffed criticisms of their work to CNN, contending that their intention was to analyze scientific research and information from the U.S. intelligence community that bolstered the Wuhan lab leak theory, and reveal more information on how the virus could have leaked from a lab.

The State Department, in a statement to The Hill, said CNN’s report is incorrect, though it did not name the network in its statement.

“There has been incorrect reporting that the Biden-Harris Administration shut down an investigation by the State Department’s Bureau of Arms Control and Verification and Compliance (AVC) into the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic,” State Department spokesperson Ned Price said in the statement...

 



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What is the appropriate responce?
Turn China into a smoking crater?

1. Reparations: Charge China for the economic damage they've inflicted on us. Economists says we'll have lost $16 trillion, if the virus disappears by Fall (it won't).

2. Reinstate the the Trump EO banning the use of Chinese hardware/software in our nation's power grid. Biden froze the Trump EO, even though we caught a Chinese transformer where “its electronics had been secretly given malicious capabilities, possibly allowing a distant adversary to monitor or even disable it on command.”. To this day there is no reasonable explanation as to why he would have allowed China back into our power grid, even temporarily. Use the Wuhan leak as justification to renenact Trump's EO.

Biden’s order could let China control US electric grid
 

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1. Reparations: Charge China for the economic damage they've inflicted on us. Economists says we'll have lost $16 trillion, if the virus disappears by Fall (it won't).

2. Reinstate the the Trump EO banning the use of Chinese hardware/software in our nation's power grid. Biden froze the Trump EO, even though we caught a Chinese transformer where “its electronics had been secretly given malicious capabilities, possibly allowing a distant adversary to monitor or even disable it on command.”. To this day there is no reasonable explanation as to why he would have allowed China back into our power grid, even temporarily. Use the Wuhan leak as justification to renenact Trump's EO.

Biden’s order could let China control US electric grid
2 is reasonable, I would support that.

1 is pretty much impossible.
 

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RHETORIC.

It’s almost like the Biden Administration wanted to end the Trump State Dept investigation, so that they can control the narrative and claim that they were the investigators, not Trump and Pompeo.
They then can either take credit for the investigation or minimize blame to China that ties their hands.

CNN: Biden shut down Trump, Pompeo effort to prove Wuhan lab theory​

The Biden administration has reportedly shut down a discrete State Department operation, launched by former President Trump and his Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, to prove the widely-disputed theory that COVID-19 originated in a lab in Wuhan, China.

CNN reported Tuesday that the current administration ultimately halted the effort over concerns regarding the quality of the inquiry’s work, according to three sources familiar with the decision.
Individuals who were involved with the probe, which began last fall, told CNN that the operation was initially a genuine attempt to investigate if China’s biological weapons program may have played a larger part in the pandemic’s emergence in Wuhan.

Soon after its launch, however, the investigation became the subject of disagreement inside the State Department, with some worried that the probe was an element in the Trump administration’s wider effort to blame China for the pandemic, and hand-pick facts to help bolster a theory.

The effort’s operations were shuttered after Biden administration officials were briefed on the probe’s key findings in February and March, a State Department spokesperson told CNN.

Officials ultimately determined that the inquiry was an ineffective use of resources, after raising questions regarding the legitimacy of the team’s discoveries, a source familiar with the decision told the network.

Individuals in the Trump administration who worked on the project, however, rebuffed criticisms of their work to CNN, contending that their intention was to analyze scientific research and information from the U.S. intelligence community that bolstered the Wuhan lab leak theory, and reveal more information on how the virus could have leaked from a lab.

The State Department, in a statement to The Hill, said CNN’s report is incorrect, though it did not name the network in its statement.

“There has been incorrect reporting that the Biden-Harris Administration shut down an investigation by the State Department’s Bureau of Arms Control and Verification and Compliance (AVC) into the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic,” State Department spokesperson Ned Price said in the statement...


The Trump Admin did not trust the politicized Intel Community to investigate the Wuhan leak, so they handed it to State Department’s Bureau of Arms Control and Verification (AVC) bureau. There are multiple sources claiming there were people inside the Intel Community that did not want China blamed for the leak, and that the Trump Admin did want China blamed for it. Same old, same old, for the Trump Admin. Deep Staters embedded in the machine protecting foreign adversaries, in o position to the Trump Admin. To me it looks like the Biden Admin shut down the real investigation into the Wuhan leak, and after being exposed, has now handed it over to the Intel Community & the WHO, which are equally corrupted and certain to not find anything on China.

Former State Department official reveals 'procedural' and 'substantive concerns' with Wuhan COVID-19 origin
 



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2 is reasonable, I would support that.

1 is pretty much impossible.

Why is #1 impossible? It seems very easy enough to most people. First off, we owe China trillions already. Just wipe it clean.

Then, tariff & embargo China until we're even. China would implode in 3 years without the US market to sell it's goods to. Just shut them down until they pay up. It's that simple.

That's one thing many on the left don't grasp, is that the US is nearly self sufficient, and doesn't need China. Conversely, China is largely dependent on the United States for their economy, and even their food. It's like Bartertown in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. "Embargo on".
 
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Bad month for Fauci:

- First he was outted on National TV and had to remove the mask mandates.
- Then he was caught lying about funding the Wuhan Lab via the NIH.
- Then he was forced to admit his funding may have funded the actual gain of function (GOF) research that led to the outbreak.
- Now we find an ugly quote from 2012 where Fauci, arguing against the scientific consensus who warned this research was too dangerous, is quoted as saying:

"Writing in the American Society for Microbiology in October 2012, Dr Fauci acknowledged the controversial scientific research could spark a pandemic.

“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic?” he wrote. “Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?

“Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.
“Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that
the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks."

Anthony Fauci backed virus experiments ‘despite pandemic risk’
 

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I guess you think we shouldn't research anything that is potentially dangerous, right?
 

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Turns out the Obama Admin listened to the scientific consensus back in 2014 & shut down funding for Dr. Fauci's GOF research at the Wuhan lab. When Trump took over, Fauci appears to have secretly gotten someone at the NIAID to green light his funding again, without alerting anyone in the White House, CIA, National Security Council, or State Department.

If Dr Facui were a stock, you'd be wise to sell while you still could. Does anyone believe he'll last 2 more weeks given the rate of damaging information about his funding & research? It's starting to look like Dr Fauci literally funded the research into weaponizing the Covid virus, that was leaked or unleashed by China on us, then covered it up, while pretending to work for the American people. Is Fauci a mass murderer? A modern day Josef Mengele?

"Gain-of-function experiments – often with bat-derived coronaviruses – centre on manipulating, splicing and recombining viruses potentially into strands of highly infectious and little understood diseases.

This type of research carries such a risk of causing a pandemic that the Obama administration paused funding for gain-of-function experiments in 22 fields in 2014, including those involving SARS, influenza and MERS"

"In December 2017, the National Institute of Health, of which the NIAID is a part, announced it would resume funding the gain-of-function research.


Multiple Trump administration officials told The Weekend Australian Dr Fauci had not raised the issue of restarting the research funding with senior figures in the White House.“It kind of just got rammed through,” one official said.

“I think there’s truth in the narrative that the (National Security Council) staff, the president, the White House chief-of-staff, those people were in the dark that he was switching back on the research.”

The Weekend Australian has also confirmed that neither Mike Pompeo, the then director of the Central Intelligence Agency, nor National Security Council member Matthew Pottinger, was briefed.


The experiments are also opposed by prominent scientists, including the Cambridge Working Group of 200 researchers which issued a public warning in 2014.
“Accident risks with newly created “potential pandemic pathogens” raise grave new concerns,
” the group’s letter read. “Laboratory creation of highly transmissible, novel strains of dangerous viruses, especially but not limited to influenza, poses substantially increased risks.


“An accidental infection in such a setting could trigger outbreaks that would be difficult or impossible to control. Historically, new strains of influenza, once they establish transmission in the human population, have infected a quarter or more of the world’s population within two years.”

And Steven Salzberg, of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, in 2015 said the benefits of gain-of-function research were “minimal at best” and they could “far more safely be obtained through other avenues of research”.

“I am very concerned that the continuing gain-of-function research on influenza viruses, and more recently on other viruses, presents extremely serious risks to the public health,” he wrote.

Dr Fauci did not respond to queries."


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I guess you think we shouldn't research anything that is potentially dangerous, right?

Do you also oppose the Obama Admin shutting off funding for the dangerous research that's now killed millions of people?
 

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Turns out the Obama Admin listened to the scientific consensus back in 2014 & shut down funding for Dr. Fauci's GOF research at the Wuhan lab. When Trump took over, Fauci appears to have secretly gotten someone at the NIAID to green light his funding again, without alerting anyone in the White House, CIA, National Security Council, or State Department.

If Dr Facui were a stock, you'd be wise to sell while you still could. Does anyone believe he'll last 2 more weeks given the rate of damaging information about his funding & research? It's starting to look like Dr Fauci literally funded the research into weaponizing the Covid virus, that was leaked or unleashed by China on us, then covered it up, while pretending to work for the American people. Is Fauci a mass murderer? A modern day Josef Mengele?

"Gain-of-function experiments – often with bat-derived coronaviruses – centre on manipulating, splicing and recombining viruses potentially into strands of highly infectious and little understood diseases.

This type of research carries such a risk of causing a pandemic that the Obama administration paused funding for gain-of-function experiments in 22 fields in 2014, including those involving SARS, influenza and MERS"

"In December 2017, the National Institute of Health, of which the NIAID is a part, announced it would resume funding the gain-of-function research.


Multiple Trump administration officials told The Weekend Australian Dr Fauci had not raised the issue of restarting the research funding with senior figures in the White House.“It kind of just got rammed through,” one official said.

“I think there’s truth in the narrative that the (National Security Council) staff, the president, the White House chief-of-staff, those people were in the dark that he was switching back on the research.”

The Weekend Australian has also confirmed that neither Mike Pompeo, the then director of the Central Intelligence Agency, nor National Security Council member Matthew Pottinger, was briefed.


The experiments are also opposed by prominent scientists, including the Cambridge Working Group of 200 researchers which issued a public warning in 2014.
“Accident risks with newly created “potential pandemic pathogens” raise grave new concerns,
” the group’s letter read. “Laboratory creation of highly transmissible, novel strains of dangerous viruses, especially but not limited to influenza, poses substantially increased risks.


“An accidental infection in such a setting could trigger outbreaks that would be difficult or impossible to control. Historically, new strains of influenza, once they establish transmission in the human population, have infected a quarter or more of the world’s population within two years.”

And Steven Salzberg, of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, in 2015 said the benefits of gain-of-function research were “minimal at best” and they could “far more safely be obtained through other avenues of research”.

“I am very concerned that the continuing gain-of-function research on influenza viruses, and more recently on other viruses, presents extremely serious risks to the public health,” he wrote.

Dr Fauci did not respond to queries."


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Wow a MASSIVE indictment of the Trump administration and their bungling inept leadership!!!!

Where does the buck stop????
 

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B/c the media doesn’t want to discuss it.
I have always assumed it probably came from the lab but to me that fact is basically immaterial to our response to Covid.

Only ones dying now are deniers, I am done with Covid, to me Covid is over.
 

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Why is #1 impossible? It seems very easy enough to most people. First off, we ower China trillions already. Just wipe it clean.

Then, tariff & embargo China until we're even. China would implode in 3 years without the US market to sell it goods to. Just shut them down until they pay up. It's that simple.

That's one thing many on the left don't grasp, is that the US is nearly self sufficient, and don't need China. Conversely, China is largely dependent on the United States for their economy, and even their food. It's like Bartertown in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. "Embargo on".
I suggested this last year when it was apparent that the keep Covid quiet and let the rest of the world be infected while closing travel from Wuhan to the rest of China.
Their guilt is obvious.

We should let people sue China with judgments coming out of the debt we owe them and their financial entities.
 

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Wow a MASSIVE indictment of the Trump administration and their bungling inept leadership!!!!

Where does the buck stop????

Let's find out who authorized the re-funding of your hero Dr Mengele. It's a safe bet it was a "resistance" member.
 


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WaPo columnist roasts media on COVID-19 lab theory about-face: ‘Zero self awareness'​


"Most MSM [mainstream media] reporters didn’t ‘ignore’ the lab leak theory, they actively crapped all over it for over a year while pretending to be objective out of a toxic mix of confirmation bias, source bias (their scientist sources lied to them), group think, TDS [Trump Derangement Syndrome] and general incompetence,"

www.foxnews.com/media/wapo-columnist-roasts-media-covid-19-lab-theory-fail-readers.amp
 


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WASHINGTON — A U.S. intelligence report identified three researchers at a Wuhan lab who sought treatment at a hospital after falling ill in November 2019, a source familiar with the matter tells NBC News.

The new details, first reported by the Wall Street Journal, add to the body of circumstantial evidence that supports a hypothesis that the Covid-19 virus may have spread to humans after it escaped from a Chinese research lab in Wuhan. But the evidence is far from conclusive.

This reporting adds a new level of detail to the information put out in a State Department fact sheet last year, which said the U.S. had confirmed that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had fallen ill.

"The U.S. government has reason to believe that several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both Covid-19 and common seasonal illnesses. This raises questions about the credibility of WIV senior researcher Shi Zhengli's public claim that there was 'zero infection' among the WIV's staff and students of SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses,” the fact sheet said.

U.S. intel report identified 3 Wuhan lab researchers who fell ill in November 2019
 

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WaPo columnist roasts media on COVID-19 lab theory about-face: ‘Zero self awareness'​


"Most MSM [mainstream media] reporters didn’t ‘ignore’ the lab leak theory, they actively crapped all over it for over a year while pretending to be objective out of a toxic mix of confirmation bias, source bias (their scientist sources lied to them), group think, TDS [Trump Derangement Syndrome] and general incompetence,"

www.foxnews.com/media/wapo-columnist-roasts-media-covid-19-lab-theory-fail-readers.amp

I thought WAPO was all evil liberal automatons?
 


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WaPo columnist roasts media on COVID-19 lab theory about-face: ‘Zero self awareness'​


"Most MSM [mainstream media] reporters didn’t ‘ignore’ the lab leak theory, they actively crapped all over it for over a year while pretending to be objective out of a toxic mix of confirmation bias, source bias (their scientist sources lied to them), group think, TDS [Trump Derangement Syndrome] and general incompetence,"

www.foxnews.com/media/wapo-columnist-roasts-media-covid-19-lab-theory-fail-readers.amp

A united western response to China’s behavior past and present seems like a no-brainer (to say nothing of shutting down the likes of Daszak and Co‘s insane research activities) but our media is consumed with personal vendettas against the right and in particular one DJT. Now that he’s mostly out of the picture it’s safe to come to their senses to do what was obvious and recognize what was apparent to anyone with common sense all along. Some will not admit their failures as journalists gracefully, as we’ve seen.
 


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Bien Admin does not rule out the possibility China intentionally unleashed Covid on the world (hint: they did).

 




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