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Anyone else see Jay Bilas and Jalen Rose on Outside the Lines discussing how to fix college basketball?

The main issues they mentioned about needing "fixing" is the low scoring, poor FG%, education, and money, the one and done rule.

Jay Bilas
-more foul calls, college basketball has become more physical than the NBA an has limited scoring and offensive flow when constantly being hit - has talked to many NBA folks who agree
-need a commissioner and one administrative body and group of officials (not officials by conference) isn't one governing body to go to with issues like the NBA

Jalen Rose
-pay players 3K or so. Money issues impact players on the court. Can't work when on scholarship.
-Jalen's counter point to Bilas saying NCAA is more physical than the pros was that it isn't true, pro players are just stronger and better and able to finish and score despite contact.
-allow players to go to NBA out of high school or have to stay 2 years.

I was trying to take notes, but obviously missed some. Anyone else who saw feel free to chime in!
 

As I've been watching the conference tournaments - especially the Big Ten's - I came to the same conclusion as Bilas independently. The amount of contact allowed in these games has become almost shocking. The ball handlers are being pushed and bumped all over the court. No wonder games are in the 40's. Not that we should jack up scoring for the sake of it, but just to get back to playing by the rules. The way Michigan State came back against Iowa was pretty much taking the muscle to them and daring the officials to call each and every foul, which they did not, of course. That's bad basketball and arguably not even basketball.
 

Bad Gopher said:
As I've been watching the conference tournaments - especially the Big Ten's - I came to the same conclusion as Bilas independently. The amount of contact allowed in these games has become almost shocking. The ball handlers are being pushed and bumped all over the court. No wonder games are in the 40's. Not that we should jack up scoring for the sake of it, but just to get back to playing by the rules. The way Michigan State came back against Iowa was pretty much taking the muscle to them and daring the officials to call each and every foul, which they did not, of course. That's bad basketball and arguably not even basketball.
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Agreed completely. Bilas even talked about how, as you said, fouling is becoming a strategy and daring officials to call it.

It isn't so much changing the rules, but enforcing the ones that already exist and creating consistency across all conferences.
 

In terms of the way the game is played, universal ref standards and refs hired and regulated by the NCAA
 

I have some Great Ideas:

10-second clock!
Larger hoops.
All FGs count 5 points. FTs count 2 each.
Install a rating system to award 1-10 bonus points for slam-dunk awesomeness.

I've got a few more ideas, but they're a bit over the top.
 


Bad Gopher said:
As I've been watching the conference tournaments - especially the Big Ten's - I came to the same conclusion as Bilas independently. The amount of contact allowed in these games has become almost shocking. The ball handlers are being pushed and bumped all over the court. No wonder games are in the 40's. Not that we should jack up scoring for the sake of it, but just to get back to playing by the rules. The way Michigan State came back against Iowa was pretty much taking the muscle to them and daring the officials to call each and every foul, which they did not, of course. That's bad basketball and arguably not even basketball.
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How do you think UW wins all of those games????

Go Gophers
 

I am surprised the charge was not brought up. Driving to hole is nearly impossible nowadays with players consistently sliding under players. Years ago, almost every one of these would be called a block - now it is the opposite. They need to expand the charge circle significantly. Players need to be set in stone to get the charging call. This would open up offenses quite a bit IMO.
 

Conan said:
I am surprised the charge was not brought up. Driving to hole is nearly impossible nowadays with players consistently sliding under players. Years ago, almost every one of these would be called a block - now it is the opposite. They need to expand the charge circle significantly. Players need to be set in stone to get the charging call. This would open up offenses quite a bit IMO.
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Very true. That will be the day that coach K retires.

Go Gophers
 

Conan said:
I am surprised the charge was not brought up. Driving to hole is nearly impossible nowadays with players consistently sliding under players. Years ago, almost every one of these would be called a block - now it is the opposite. They need to expand the charge circle significantly. Players need to be set in stone to get the charging call. This would open up offenses quite a bit IMO.
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I think we just get rid of the circle. It's led to more charges IMO, because refs are just looking at the defender's feet, and if a guy is outside the circle they automatically call an offensive foul a lot of the time.

In terms of rules / managing student athletes, I'd love to see a going pro rule similar to MLB; enter the draft out of HS if you think you're good enough, but if you go to college you have to play 2 (or 3) years
 



Conan said:
I am surprised the charge was not brought up. Driving to hole is nearly impossible nowadays with players consistently sliding under players. Years ago, almost every one of these would be called a block - now it is the opposite. They need to expand the charge circle significantly. Players need to be set in stone to get the charging call. This would open up offenses quite a bit IMO.
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I agree but don't even think they need to change the size of the circle - just getting back to requiring the defender to establish position rather than sliding or even lunging under / in front of the driver will do the trick I think.
 

I'd like to see a reduced shot clock, preferably 24 seconds.
 

My biggest beef has been with offensive players using their off hand to push off or establish position. I'm sick of watching a guard play tight defense over 3/4 of the court, having to fend off the dribbler's off hand all the way down the court, only to get called for a hand check at the 3-point line.
 




Bad Gopher said:
As I've been watching the conference tournaments - especially the Big Ten's - I came to the same conclusion as Bilas independently. The amount of contact allowed in these games has become almost shocking. The ball handlers are being pushed and bumped all over the court. No wonder games are in the 40's. Not that we should jack up scoring for the sake of it, but just to get back to playing by the rules. The way Michigan State came back against Iowa was pretty much taking the muscle to them and daring the officials to call each and every foul, which they did not, of course. That's bad basketball and arguably not even basketball.
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+1! I completely agree, Bad Gopher! Well stated!
 

Conan said:
I am surprised the charge was not brought up. Driving to hole is nearly impossible nowadays with players consistently sliding under players. Years ago, almost every one of these would be called a block - now it is the opposite. They need to expand the charge circle significantly. Players need to be set in stone to get the charging call. This would open up offenses quite a bit IMO.
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The charge calls drive me nuts. So many times an offensive player has committed to a shot and then someone slides underneath and they get the call. How can an offensive player predict where a defensive player is going to be? A player who is making his last step before jumping in the air on a drive cannot just stop or change their direction at that point.

I hate the circle for reasons already mentioned. Refs are looking at their feet more than if it was actually a charge or not.

I wonder if there is a charging stat out there. I imagine the amount called is higher now than 20 years ago.
 


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