OSU's 4th TD.

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The WR screen. The other WR instantly blocks Murray, allowing his man to catch the pass. One of the most obvious offensive PI calls I've seen. I've noticed this at the pro level too. Is it not a penalty to block a player allowing a teammate to catch a pass? Maybe I don't understand the rules.
 

Receiver is supposed to wait until the pass is caught before engaging in his block.
 





afurry91 said:
I always thought it was only the defender that could jam.
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The WR is allowed to make contact in the first 5 just like the DB. Most of the time they try to avoid it because they are trying to get open but they are allowed to do it.
 

These are dark times for those of us that like defense. The rules as written are generally ignored which makes the overly pedantic illegal formation type calls all the more dubious. During the NFL official strike the scab officials were drawn and quartered by coaches, media, and announcing crews for enforcing the rules (there were some pretty awful calls as well...). It really illustrated how far things have slipped.

Anyway, this is a nice write up written from an officials viewpoint:

http://www.nkoafootball.org/smembers/training/hardcall.doc
 

So I looked it up. On a pass thrown behind the line of scrimmage, the receiver can block the corner. Unfortunately, the pass was at the LOS so I think he's good. If the pass is thrown ahead of the line of scrimmage, then the WR has to wait till the pass is caught to engage.

It sounds like something that really isn't enforced that strictly. If it's designed to be a screen, it sounds like the refs let it go. If that pass was 1 yard further, it should have been flagged, but I doubt it's something that they enforce. If it looks like a screen, they treat it like a screen.

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afurry91 said:
So I looked it up. On a pass thrown behind the line of scrimmage, the receiver can block the corner. Unfortunately, the pass was at the LOS so I think he's good. If the pass is thrown ahead of the line of scrimmage, then the WR has to wait till the pass is caught to engage.

It sounds like something that really isn't enforced that strictly. If it's designed to be a screen, it sounds like the refs let it go. If that pass was 1 yard further, it should have been flagged, but I doubt it's something that they enforce. If it looks like a screen, they treat it like a screen.

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I imagine they won't call it unless it's obvious he caught it downfield.
 



There is no 5 yard rule in regards to OPI in NCAA. I don't remember the play in question, was probably headbutting the wall in frustration at that point.

ARTICLE 8. a. During a down in which a legal forward pass crosses the neutral zone, illegal contact by Team A and Team B players is prohibited from the time the ball is snapped until it is touched by any player or an official (A.R. 7-3-8-II).
b. Offensive pass interference by a Team A player beyond the neutral zone during a legal forward pass play in which a forward pass crosses the neutral zone is contact that interferes with a Team B eligible player. It is the responsibility of the offensive player to avoid the opponents. It is not offensive pass interference (A.R. 7-3-8-IV, V, X, XV and XVI):
1. When, after the snap, a Team A ineligible player immediately charges and contacts an opponent at a point not more than one yard beyond the neutral zone and does not continue the contact more than three yards beyond the neutral zone.
2. When two or more eligible players are making a simultaneous and bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass. Eligible players of either team have equal rights to the ball (A.R. 7-3-8-IX).
3. When the pass is in flight and two or more eligible players are in the area where they might receive or intercept the pass and an offensive player in that area impedes an opponent, and the pass is not catchable.
 

One guy had a shot. Make the play and it doesn't matter. Enough said. Was drawn up legally ny the rules. Same type of play we should be running
 

upnorthkid said:
One guy had a shot. Make the play and it doesn't matter. Enough said. Was drawn up legally ny the rules. Same type of play we should be running
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I don't know. Something tells me if Maxx run blocked a CB, allowing D. Jones unfettered access it would be called. The diagonal WR sprinted at Murray blocking him as he was trying to cover the TD recipient And one guy didn't have a shot. Murray was covering him and was blocked from his responsibility.
 

I thought it was a beautiful TD.
 



Except for the glaring fact that it was illegally conducted.
 


I haven't seen us effectively defend a screen all year. Every single one of them seems to work.
 

Nort73 said:
I haven't seen us effectively defend a screen all year. Every single one of them seems to work.
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Casually forgetting about the many times they've stuffed screens for losses this year? The Gopher highlight video from the Iowa game has one or two of those highlights on it.

That said, screen passes tend to be highly effective plays when the D isn't ready for it, and it's disappointing that the Gophers don't try them more often (realizing that 2 attempts yesterday didn't work, but still, only 2 attempts).
 

cncmin said:
Casually forgetting about the many times they've stuffed screens for losses this year? The Gopher highlight video from the Iowa game has one or two of those highlights on it.

That said, screen passes tend to be highly effective plays when the D isn't ready for it, and it's disappointing that the Gophers don't try them more often (realizing that 2 attempts yesterday didn't work, but still, only 2 attempts).
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Maybe I was over exaggerating but I would say the vast majority of screen plays that have been run against our defense this year have worked. It also seems like a lot of them are run at critical times when we need to make a stop, and it does seem like we usually aren't ready for them. Maybe they are just perfect play calls for whatever defense we have called, I'm not sure.

But OSU just executed that play really well. Somebody jump in and correct me if I'm wrong, but can't players block downfield immediately if the pass is behind the line of scrimmage? Maybe I'm just making that up in my head though?
 


afurry91 said:
So I looked it up. On a pass thrown behind the line of scrimmage, the receiver can block the corner. Unfortunately, the pass was at the LOS so I think he's good. If the pass is thrown ahead of the line of scrimmage, then the WR has to wait till the pass is caught to engage.

It sounds like something that really isn't enforced that strictly. If it's designed to be a screen, it sounds like the refs let it go. If that pass was 1 yard further, it should have been flagged, but I doubt it's something that they enforce. If it looks like a screen, they treat it like a screen.

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Thanks.
 

We haven't run one all year. Go figure..... jail break screen was the perfect call because we had so many guys pressing the LOS.
 

Nort73 said:
Maybe I was over exaggerating but I would say the vast majority of screen plays that have been run against our defense this year have worked. It also seems like a lot of them are run at critical times when we need to make a stop, and it does seem like we usually aren't ready for them. Maybe they are just perfect play calls for whatever defense we have called, I'm not sure.

But OSU just executed that play really well. Somebody jump in and correct me if I'm wrong, but can't players block downfield immediately if the pass is behind the line of scrimmage? Maybe I'm just making that up in my head though?
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This happens because Claeys has a tendency to send blitzers from the edge in key situations. This leaves the flat open to screens, where the player only has to make one guy miss, which can result in big gains. to me, it looked like OSU knew the blitz was coming, and called the perfect play.
 

Nort73 said:
Maybe I was over exaggerating but I would say the vast majority of screen plays that have been run against our defense this year have worked. It also seems like a lot of them are run at critical times when we need to make a stop, and it does seem like we usually aren't ready for them. Maybe they are just perfect play calls for whatever defense we have called, I'm not sure.

But OSU just executed that play really well. Somebody jump in and correct me if I'm wrong, but can't players block downfield immediately if the pass is behind the line of scrimmage? Maybe I'm just making that up in my head though?
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I think Claeys does a great job, but I do recognize a pattern that he sends the house in certain situations when a little more caution is probably warranted. It's 3rd and 12 on that play and given the nature of the game at that point, I don't know why he just doesn't go zone and concentrate on trying to hold tOSU to a field goal. Of course, tOSU could have gotten a first down and that strategy wouldn't have worked, but I've noticed during the season that sometimes Claeys rolls the dice enough in similar situations to yesterday that opposing scouts see the trend and adjust for it.

To the OP, I asked the same question during the Purdue game. I think this one was a little closer to penalty territory than the stuff Purdue and Illinois were doing, but just outside it I guess.
 

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