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I'm getting so sick of hearing that the game against Michigan was a one time deal due to Coach Kill's retirement and the emotions behind it.

Seems like almost everybody is expecting Minnesota "to come back to reality" and "lay an egg against OSU". Anyone else sick of it? This could totally be the case, but I hope this team realized something on Saturday, and is pissed off about being 23 point underdogs.

What do others on here think? Can Minnesota continue to play like they did against Michigan, or was it simply a one time deal due to their iconic coach having to abruptly retire? Can the current coaches keep this team performing at the level of the Michigan game and get even better as the season progresses?

I guess we'll find a heck of a lot out on Saturday, and the rest of the season. I don't see any reason why this group of guys can't continue to play the way they did on Saturday and continue to get better. Will they have the hunger, will they have the intensity, will they have the never quit, never stop, relentless attitude?

I feel the Gophers, this team, this group of guys, are being disrespected. That this program is getting disrespected, and I hope they come guns a blazin' on Saturday and bring attention to who they are!!!

There is no reason they shouldn't be able to give Ohio State all they can handle, and more! If not, we'll know real soon if Claeys and company will be able to move the program forward?

Go Gophers!!!




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That bothers me too. People read so much into everything. The team played like they are capable of. No different than TCU. We shouldn't forget what we expected from the team this year. Injuries have hurt and we have underachieved. MI wasn't a fluke - we just played like we are capable of.
 

That's why they play the games.

Quite simple actually.
 

Claeys has said he will be a different coach than Kill due to his personality. I get the sense he might be a little more aggressive than Kill - which might just appeal to recruits.

I'm not predicting an upset on Saturday, but I expect the Gophers to give a credible performance and keep the game reasonably close. We'll never know what might have happened this year, but I get the sense from some of the coaches' comments that the injuries in the DB corps hurt this team more than some of us realized. Add that to the issues with the O-line, and maybe it just wasn't in the cards this season. I still think the Gophs can win two games to be bowl-eligible. If they can knock off either IA or WI, that will go a long way to make people feel better about this season.
 

I think a big thing, for me at least, was how emotionally draining that loss to Michigan was. I still feel like garbage and I'm just a simple fan. I have faith in these guys and I do think we come out swinging again. I just hope that an opening 3 and out or a long OSU drive for a touchdown doesn't completely deflate the team. It's gonna be a nasty environment, we need to play disciplined and deliberate.

My opinion? A lot of fans feel like we're going to come out flat because that's all we've done for the past 50 years. That trend has swung in the opposite direction since we hired Kill, but it takes time for people to change from that doom and gloom mentality. Especially with the departure of Kill and the uncertainty as to whether Claeys will maintain or surpass the consistency and progression that we saw under a Kill led program.
 


Some Day...Is Coming! said:
I'm getting so sick of hearing that the game against Michigan was a one time deal due to Coach Kill's retirement and the emotions behind it.

Seems like almost everybody is expecting Minnesota "to come back to reality" and "lay an egg against OSU". Anyone else sick of it? This could totally be the case, but I hope this team realized something on Saturday, and is pissed off about being 23 point underdogs.

What do others on here think? Can Minnesota continue to play like they did against Michigan, or was it simply a one time deal due to their iconic coach having to abruptly retire? Can the current coaches keep this team performing at the level of the Michigan game and get even better as the season progresses?

I guess we'll find a heck of a lot out on Saturday, and the rest of the season. I don't see any reason why this group of guys can't continue to play the way they did on Saturday and continue to get better. Will they have the hunger, will they have the intensity, will they have the never quit, never stop, relentless attitude?

I feel the Gophers, this team, this group of guys, are being disrespected. That this program is getting disrespected, and I hope they come guns a blazin' on Saturday and bring attention to who they are!!!

There is no reason they shouldn't be able to give Ohio State all they can handle, and more! If not, we'll know real soon if Claeys and company will be able to move the program forward?

Go Gophers!!!




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Be honest, you don't want to hear what others think. You just want people who agree with you. You're sick and tired of hearing from people who believe Kill brought a lot to the table including several intangibles that Claeys may or may not be able to replicate/keep going. There's a 50/50 shot but you only want to talk about your 50%.

Your side suggests that Claeys/Limegrover/Sawvel can be as or more effective without Kill in recruiting, molding, motivating, building, inspiring, game planning, decision making, building alliances and demanding excellence. Perhaps they can. I'm sure both sides can point to past examples where successors in a situation similar to this either excelled or just couldn't maintain or build upon the predecessors success.

If you think Kill was a special, unique and highly talented football man, that brought things to the table that are difficult to replicate, then it ain't that reckless to opine that a drop off may be forthcoming. Nobody really knows, do they? If you don't think some recruits are rethinking this, that seems sort of naive. If you think Claeys can be as effective in a family's living room as Kill was, I wouldn't bet on it. If you don't think the Kill retirement inspiration effect will wear off as the season progresses, that seems illogical. In fact, some players may start to miss Kill and get down in the dumps. I think I would. You think Jo Jo Garcia is the only kid bummed out about this?

These kids are human. Some may have actually been here primarily for Jerry. His absence could have an impact on their drive and intensity. All speculation of course. Spoofin calls these ideas comedy. I call it common sense. Just like it's common sense to say Claeys could surpass Kill in terms of being our head coach. Of course he could. But maybe he won't. So what's the point of fighting about it.

Even Claeys himself said every player and coach is here at Minnesota because of Jerry Kill. Now that he's gone, what impact will that have? Only time will tell.
 

DoubleAlum said:
Be honest, you don't want to hear what others think. You just want people who agree with you. You're sick and tired of hearing from people who believe Kill brought a lot to the table including several intangibles that Claeys may or may not be able to replicate/keep going. There's a 50/50 shot but you only want to talk about your 50%.

Your side suggests that Claeys/Limegrover/Sawvel can be as or more effective without Kill in recruiting, molding, motivating, building, inspiring, game planning, decision making, building alliances and demanding excellence. Perhaps they can. I'm sure both sides can point to past examples where successors in a situation similar to this either excelled or just couldn't maintain or build upon the predecessors success.

If you think Kill was a special, unique and highly talented football man, that brought things to the table that are difficult to replicate, then it ain't that reckless to opine that a drop off may be forthcoming. Nobody really knows, do they? If you don't think some recruits are rethinking this, that seems sort of naive. If you think Claeys can be as effective in a family's living room as Kill was, I wouldn't bet on it. If you don't think the Kill retirement inspiration effect will wear off as the season progresses, that seems illogical. In fact, some players may start to miss Kill and get down in the dumps. I think I would. You think Jo Jo Garcia is the only kid bummed out about this?

These kids are human. Some may have actually been here primarily for Jerry. His absence could have an impact on their drive and intensity. All speculation of course. Spoofin calls these ideas comedy. I call it common sense. Just like it's common sense to say Claeys could surpass Kill in terms of being our head coach. Of course he could. But maybe he won't. So what's the point of fighting about it.

Even Claeys himself said every player and coach is here at Minnesota because of Jerry Kill. Now that he's gone, what impact will that have? Only time will tell.
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Lots of food for thought here. Tracy should lose some weight for one thing, for his own health and for p.r. and recruiting. My gut feeling is that in pure coaching, game day, planning, he will do well. Not so sure about all the rest of it.
 

Good thing we only have to face their 2nd string QB
 

To the OP's question I think the only honest answer at this point is that we have no idea what the team is going to look like over the remainder of the season. Look at the season to date and try to figure out which team is the real Gophers. Are we:

1 - The team that played toe to toe with good/great teams in TCU and Michigan and came up short
2 - The team that struggled to beat some average to bad teams in Ohio, CSU, and KSU.
3 - The team that soundly beat a bad Purdue team
4 - The team that was soundly beaten by a couple of solid but not spectacular teams in Nothwestern and Nebraska

I think at this point it is really hard to know what to expect out of this team after what we have seen through the first 8 weeks.
 



MNVCGUY said:
To the OP's question I think the only honest answer at this point is that we have no idea what the team is going to look like over the remainder of the season. Look at the season to date and try to figure out which team is the real Gophers. Are we:

1 - The team that played toe to toe with good/great teams in TCU and Michigan and came up short
2 - The team that struggled to beat some average to bad teams in Ohio, CSU, and KSU.
3 - The team that soundly beat a bad Purdue team
4 - The team that was soundly beaten by a couple of solid but not spectacular teams in Nothwestern and Nebraska

I think at this point it is really hard to know what to expect out of this team after what we have seen through the first 8 weeks.
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You are putting the seventh place team in the Big Ten west (who has already lost to Purdue) in the "solid" category?
 

Going in to the Michigan game, I thought the emotional boost of Kill's retirement would carry the team for maybe a quarter. But by the 4th the better team (Michigan) would pull away. What we saw is that the Gophers can go toe to toe with one of the better teams in the conference. If we played ILL or WI next, I think we win handedly. It's unfortunate we travel to OSU this week. Hopefully a loss there doesn't take the wind completely out of our sails.
 

It doesn't matter what we say or think; it only matters what the players do and think. Do I want the Gophers to go to Columbus and destroy the Buckeyes? Heck yes but I personally think there will be a HUGE letdown from the team emotionally. I think they went out this past Saturday against Michigan and wanted to win for Jerry and played like they truly are capable of but when they not only lost but they lost the way they did, I think it probably took the wind out of their sails. I think the game will be semi-close in the first half but tOSU turns it up in the second half and the Gophers play flat.

I will give anything to be wrong and get the upset but I'm not expecting a win.
 

Prime time on ABC and at night against the #3 team. Why would there be a letdown?
 



ruppertflywheel said:
Prime time on ABC and at night against the #3 team. Why would there be a letdown?
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Amen, Ruppert. Shouldn't have any trouble whatsoever getting up for the defending national champions and the #3 ranked team.

Crazy upsets happen every year at this time. Why not the Gophers deliver a jolt to the CFP rankings? It could happen in Columbus, just as it could happen in Lincoln and Bloomington.
 

DoubleAlum said:
Be honest, you don't want to hear what others think. You just want people who agree with you. You're sick and tired of hearing from people who believe Kill brought a lot to the table including several intangibles that Claeys may or may not be able to replicate/keep going. There's a 50/50 shot but you only want to talk about your 50%.

Your side suggests that Claeys/Limegrover/Sawvel can be as or more effective without Kill in recruiting, molding, motivating, building, inspiring, game planning, decision making, building alliances and demanding excellence. Perhaps they can. I'm sure both sides can point to past examples where successors in a situation similar to this either excelled or just couldn't maintain or build upon the predecessors success.

If you think Kill was a special, unique and highly talented football man, that brought things to the table that are difficult to replicate, then it ain't that reckless to opine that a drop off may be forthcoming. Nobody really knows, do they? If you don't think some recruits are rethinking this, that seems sort of naive. If you think Claeys can be as effective in a family's living room as Kill was, I wouldn't bet on it. If you don't think the Kill retirement inspiration effect will wear off as the season progresses, that seems illogical. In fact, some players may start to miss Kill and get down in the dumps. I think I would. You think Jo Jo Garcia is the only kid bummed out about this?

These kids are human. Some may have actually been here primarily for Jerry. His absence could have an impact on their drive and intensity. All speculation of course. Spoofin calls these ideas comedy. I call it common sense. Just like it's common sense to say Claeys could surpass Kill in terms of being our head coach. Of course he could. But maybe he won't. So what's the point of fighting about it.

Even Claeys himself said every player and coach is here at Minnesota because of Jerry Kill. Now that he's gone, what impact will that have? Only time will tell.
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I guess my point is that this program should not be 23 point underdogs at OSU considering where it is right now. People should expect this team to give OSU a hell of a challenge. These are all the same guys who just played Michigan toe to toe and out gained them by 165 yards. I'm just hoping these guys are angry about being 23 point underdogs and have some pride and not feel sorry for themselves. Like I said, we'll find out in a hurry. Go Gophers!!!


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I rewatched the Michigan game last night (masochism?). I think three things happened:
1) The coaches had a really good game plan;
2) We had several key contributers back (Pooke, Bodie-Calhoon, etc.)
3) a lot of balls bounced our way.

I do not think Michigan had a "bad" game (as some Michigan fans would like to explain away the close game)

Personally, I think the whole emotion thing is overstated and I do not put as much stock into it as others (especially the national media) do.

IF we have a game plan that fits the opponent, healthy players and a few lucky breaks, the Gophers can play anyone; including the defending national champions.
 

Michigan's D had an uncharacteristically bad game, no doubting that as there were definitely some unforced errors, bonehead penalties and dropped INT. In addition, the play calling tendencies were likely skewed with Kill not at the helm, in a way Mich may not have expected. Finally, the O hit on basically every low percentage play possible (except the last 2 plays which ironically seemed like high % plays for TD) which is not going to happen every week - especially with the inconsistency shown by Leidner and the WR in their body of work this season. They may be improving, but "consistently inconsistent" is probably the best descriptor, and the season will probably finish that way in up and down fashion - especially considering the level of competition ahead.
 

Catechol;1132084[B said:
]Michigan's D had an uncharacteristically bad game[/B], no doubting that as there were definitely some unforced errors, bonehead penalties and dropped INT. In addition, the play calling tendencies were likely skewed with Kill not at the helm, in a way Mich may not have expected. Finally, the O hit on basically every low percentage play possible (except the last 2 plays which ironically seemed like high % plays for TD) which is not going to happen every week - especially with the inconsistency shown by Leidner and the WR in their body of work this season. They may be improving, but "consistently inconsistent" is probably the best descriptor, and the season will probably finish that way in up and down fashion - especially considering the level of competition ahead.
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Perhaps Minnesota had a little to do with that?

Saturday night against #3, of which this team learned last season that they can compete against. Play loose, and go for it! Nothing for this team to lose. Go for it.
 

One thing in common in the TCU and Michigan games was they were home night games. Big difference between a home night game and a road night game.
 

Some Day...Is Coming! said:
I'm getting so sick of hearing that the game against Michigan was a one time deal due to Coach Kill's retirement and the emotions behind it.

Seems like almost everybody is expecting Minnesota "to come back to reality" and "lay an egg against OSU". Anyone else sick of it? This could totally be the case, but I hope this team realized something on Saturday, and is pissed off about being 23 point underdogs.

What do others on here think? Can Minnesota continue to play like they did against Michigan, or was it simply a one time deal due to their iconic coach having to abruptly retire? Can the current coaches keep this team performing at the level of the Michigan game and get even better as the season progresses?

I guess we'll find a heck of a lot out on Saturday, and the rest of the season. I don't see any reason why this group of guys can't continue to play the way they did on Saturday and continue to get better. Will they have the hunger, will they have the intensity, will they have the never quit, never stop, relentless attitude?

I feel the Gophers, this team, this group of guys, are being disrespected. That this program is getting disrespected, and I hope they come guns a blazin' on Saturday and bring attention to who they are!!!

There is no reason they shouldn't be able to give Ohio State all they can handle, and more! If not, we'll know real soon if Claeys and company will be able to move the program forward?

Go Gophers!!!
Time will tell, it won't just be this week, we could come out guns blazing, but if OSU comes out pissed about their ranking they could run us off the field and there's nothing will be able to do about it. I think the Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin games will be the most telling. Were playing with the casino's money this week. When OSU is at their best I think they can run anyone off the field in the Big Ten
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Some Day...Is Coming! said:
When OSU is at their best I think they can run anyone off the field in the Big Ten
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That's the thing, the Buckeyes haven't been at their best all that often this season. They're there to be had, even with all that talent. Not sure why we think the Gophers have no shot. Yes, it would be a stunner, but IU took 'em to the wire, and the Hoosiers played a good chunk of the game without Sudfeld.
 

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