Observations on last fall

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In preparation for the spring game I have been watching some of the games from last fall (yes, I am that much of a geek). I have made a few observations.

My first observation is that Adam Weber is better than I thought he was. Stuck in my mind were those incredibly frustrating passes at the feet of wide open receivers. However, he also had some really nice games, most notably Michigan State. I am not sure what caused the low throws, my suspicion is it was the change in Adam's throwing motion but perhaps there was an injury we didn't know about. I don't think he had that problem the first two years. When Decker went down it certainly didn't help the offense. In many of the incomplete passes it looks as if the receiver ran the wrong route or, on the timing routes, was five or 10 steps away from where he was supposed to be. Another factor was too many attempted long passes. These are low percentage completion passes at all levels of the game, let alone with suspect blocking and relatively inexperienced receivers.

The second observation is that the offensive line did not play up to its physical abilities. When they were called upon to do relatively straight ahead run blocking they were okay. Not great, by any means, but okay. Where they seemed to have the most trouble was in pass blocking and more specifically, picking up the right person. I have no idea what the blocking schemes were but multiple times in a game you can see a defensive lineman being double teamed while another defensive player comes through the line untouched.

My last observation has to do with Jedd Fisch. Almost every game there was a play call that seemed brilliant and I think I was dazzled by that during the season. Re-watching the games however has made me aware that there were too many plays that were less than brilliant. I've already mentioned the long passes but in addition the running plays seemed to lack imagination. I don't think he ever ran the ball three times in a row even when the offensive line was dominant. I can see why pro-coaches spoke so highly of Fisch, because the passing schemes seem right on, (but they require a pro QB and receivers to execute) but I don't think he understood that for almost all colleges the ground game is paramount.

I think we will be a better team next year. A year of Weber (yes, I think Weber will start) working with his receivers will help a lot. In addition, Horton almost certainly has a better grasp of the college game then did Fisch. The emphasis will be on the run and play action passes which I think will play into the strength of the new offensive talent. If the offense can merely be average we will be an above average team. Most teams are somewhat unbalanced so a team with an average offense and an average defense will be an above average team.

Discuss.

Go Gophers!
 

I think your observation on our receivers may just be the reason Richard Hightower is now a special assistant to the assistant of the assistant special teams coach in Washington.
 

I think you are right on with these observations.

I will not doubt Fisch knows his stuff, as you say the passing schemes were pro caliber. What WAS lacking was an even hand and a sense of timing in playcalling. There were drives where the offense was moving, and a silly play or formation was called that ended up in a loss of yards, a penalty, or a lost down, etc. Hopefully Horton has a better feel for this and will know when to pick his spots better, and when to keep something rolling when it is working.

Also I'm interested in seeing how the new WR coach fits in, by all accounts he's a guy that made it for a long time in the NFL by running good routes and making tough catches. A good combination for a young and still raw group. I know there were times last year when routes were rounded off, or a read route was incorrectly diagnosed and the pass was thrown to empty space.

Mcknight and Stoudemire were especially guilty of this, unfortunately when Decker and Green went down they became go to guys. Another year of experience and hopefully a better grasp of the minutia involved in playing the position will certainly help the passing game click better.
 

I have neither the resources nor the inclination to go back and watch the tapes from last season.

However, numbers do not lie. Weber ranked 98 out of 100 in passing efficiency.

How can anyone who wants to keep his job seriously trot that out there again this fall?
 

I have neither the resources nor the inclination to go back and watch the tapes from last season.

However, numbers do not lie. Weber ranked 98 out of 100 in passing efficiency.

How can anyone who wants to keep his job seriously trot that out there again this fall?

He was also 57th overall and 3rd in the Big Ten the year before so we know Weber can be a good QB.

I think that if Weber is the best QB coming out of spring ball and fall practice, then he should start. But hopefully Gray will have improved enough that if Weber struggles again, he'll be able to take over.
 


I like Adam Weber as a ball player a lot. He's tough, willing to take responsibility and shoulder the losses as well as enjoy the wins. He may be our best QB. He's not a good passing QB. He didn't throw well at the St. Johns camp prior to his first starting season and he still doesn't throw well. Whether or not they should have changed his motion is debatable, but stop and think why they even bothered. To me, it looks like if he moves around and plays instinctively he has a better chance of making great plays. The problem is likely that such a style also increases mistakes. In trying to rid themselves of mistakes, the coaches appear to have developed a style for Weber that does not fit his comfort zone. When he thinks, he throws the ball into the ground. When he sees a maroon jersey flash open downfield he zips it in there. Okay, not every time, but most of the time I believe this is true.

What does it all mean? If I'm a coach it means if I want the most out of Weber at QB I have to lengthen the leash and live with some unforced errors. If I want a game manager maybe I'm taking a real hard look at Alipate (don't know much about him myself, so please don't take this line literally).

The only other point I'd like to make in response to the OP is that the last half of the season, at least, Weber enjoyed as much time in the pocket as any QB who plays against like competition. Everybody gets pressured back there. Everybody. Some games even the big names get tossed around a lot and people know better than to question their lines. Defenses are big, fast and complex. If you get a count of three to handle the ball consider it a luxury and I was counting. Weber sometimes didn't have that three count, but he got that and more a good share of the time, especially as the season progressed.
 

I have neither the resources nor the inclination to go back and watch the tapes from last season.

However, numbers do not lie. Weber ranked 98 out of 100 in passing efficiency.

How can anyone who wants to keep his job seriously trot that out there again this fall?

I don't know that number means anything by itself. By itself, all it tells us is for whatever reason the QB was unable to be efficient in the passing game. I have no idea who will win the QB competion but if I was a betting man my money would be on Adam. I also think we have 2 other QB's who would be more than effective this season so I don't believe he wins it by default.

That's my 2 cents anyway.
 

I think you are right on with these observations.

There were drives where the offense was moving, and a silly play or formation was called that ended up in a loss of yards, a penalty, or a lost down, etc.

The bowl game was a perfect example of this. As soon as I saw Weber running wide on that last drive and saw Gray come in, I yelled at the TV and knew something bad was going to happen. Weber was not going to let them lose that game at that point. Then Fisch had to out think himself and called a bad play and the rest is history as they say
 

I don't know that number means anything by itself. By itself, all it tells us is for whatever reason the QB was unable to be efficient in the passing game. I have no idea who will win the QB competion but if I was a betting man my money would be on Adam. I also think we have 2 other QB's who would be more than effective this season so I don't believe he wins it by default.

That's my 2 cents anyway.

+ 2 cents
 



I find it hard to believe that Weber will be the starting QB this fall. It's time to put Gray back there and see what he can do with significant playing time.
 

From the few glimpses I've seen of Gray, I think he adds the kind of dynamism to the QB position that will put the Gophers in the best position to win. He reminds me a bit of Ricky Foggie. A player that could make something out of nothing, but also is prone to making mistakes at times. Didn't Holtz refer to Foggie as 'Vegas' or something like that because everytime he dropped back to pass it was like gambling? That's just my $.02.
 

He was also 57th overall and 3rd in the Big Ten the year before so we know Weber can be a good QB.

I think that if Weber is the best QB coming out of spring ball and fall practice, then he should start. But hopefully Gray will have improved enough that if Weber struggles again, he'll be able to take over.

Decker made Weber look good, it's as easy as that. No Decker and Adam sucks. Eric was a huge crutch for Adam, He knew if he threw it up for grabs Decker would come down with it.
 

Decker made Weber look good, it's as easy as that. No Decker and Adam sucks. Eric was a huge crutch for Adam, He knew if he threw it up for grabs Decker would come down with it.

That's more a criticism of the other receivers than it is of Weber.
 



I find it hard to believe that Weber will be the starting QB this fall. It's time to put Gray back there and see what he can do with significant playing time.

I agree it's time to see and not on a one-play basis. Every QB needs to get in the rhythm of the offense and the game. Still, Weber is a 3-year starter. He's going to receive every consideration and IMO is likely to be the QB at the start of the year. Seniors being seriously challenged by underclassmen usually get a short leash though, so young Adam had better perform right away. Now, if no other QB has shown a dribble of what the coaches want in practice, then all this is hooey and Weber will be taking snaps the entire season come hell or high water.
 

I find it hard to believe that Weber will be the starting QB this fall. It's time to put Gray back there and see what he can do with significant playing time.

+1. Tim Brewster came in here talking about a new stadium and a return to Pasadena via better talent. Now the talent is here and his vaunted recruits have all been through a season or two, virtually all of them (including Gray) are about to go through their 2nd college spring ball experience.

First off, I think Adam Weber has been underrated as a QB for his total career here. Earning 2nd team Big Ten honors his Sophomore year was truly an incredible achievement given how bad the O-line was. Fisch hurt his throwing motion, his O-line has always been awful, and Brewster did him no favors with the constant coordinator carousel or the shift away from the spread.

That said we know what the ceiling with Weber is. We have seen his best ball. At times it has been great. But we also know that Gray's ceiling is stratospherically higher than Weber's. The hard truth is that Gray might not be as good as Weber this season, but if it's even close Brewster owes it to the Gophers to start Gray. The classic analogy here is TP at Ohio State. I felt bad for Boeckman because he showed in the bowl game that he would have bounced back from that USC debacle and had a solid Big Ten Season if given the chance. However, Tressel knew that TP was the guy that could lead Ohio State to a National Title. TP struggled to pass at all as a freshmen and most of this year, but he showed flashes of improvement and in the Rose Bowl he put it all together and played like Vince Young in his prime. There's a reason why everyone and their mother is picking Ohio State to make it back to the NC game this year (I personally think they are going to win).

Gray has that same ability. The odds are he will bring lots of great plays and even more mistakes in 2010. But in 2011 and 12 he'll have the potential to take over any game he needs to. Then in the 2011 class the Gophers sign a top 3 dual threat QB--and in 2013 the learning process will start all over with that same high ceiling to work toward.
 

I find it hard to believe that Weber will be the starting QB this fall. It's time to put Gray back there and see what he can do with significant playing time.

I have a hard time believing it will be a difficult decision. You play the QB who gives you the best chance to win. Weber, Gray, dpoll, Jeff Wills, whoever. But you don't go away from Weber to 'see what someone else can do', you give it to who performs better in practice. No, rhythm or Gamer excuses, just whoever plays better Mon- Fri.
 

I have a hard time believing it will be a difficult decision. You play the QB who gives you the best chance to win. Weber, Gray, dpoll, Jeff Wills, whoever. But you don't go away from Weber to 'see what someone else can do', you give it to who performs better in practice. No, rhythm or Gamer excuses, just whoever plays better Mon- Fri.

Yes, well then tell Brewster and every other coach who has a potential QB issue how simple all this is. I'm certain they'll be relieved. For the rest of us, at least for myself, I'd like to know what you do when NOBODY impresses between Mon - Fri because too often that is what happens. And I'd also like to know which Mon-Fri you're talking about. Does every new week start with an open spot at QB? That ought to promote stability.

I will agree, however, that it is simple to predict that neither "dpoll" nor Wills have a decent chance of playing QB next year. I'd take them out of the mix.
 

I haven't had a chance to rewatch tape like I used to. My impression was mostly that when weber missed easy throws you could put the blame right at his feet.

He looks like a QB that has been hit a lot and is always ready to move. Maybe diefirma took that into consideration when analyzing weber?
 




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