Notre Dame's Brian Kelly:" all of my football players are at-risk -- all of them"

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Notre Dame's Brian Kelly:" all of my football players are at-risk -- all of them"

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ting-irish-says-all-players-risk-academically

After a year of turmoil at Notre Dame, coach Brian Kelly admitted Thursday that all of his players are at-risk academically and that the university will do its best going forward to provide the resources necessary for players to succeed in the classroom.

"I think we recognized that all of my football players are at-risk -- all of them -- really," Kelly told Notre Dame Insider. "Honestly, I don't know that any of our players would get into the school by themselves right now with the academic standards the way they are. Maybe one or two of our players that are on scholarship...

Five players -- KeiVarae Russell, DaVaris Daniels, Eilar Hardy, Kendall Moore and Ishaq Williams -- were suspended by the university last season amid an investigation into academic fraud. Quarterback Everett Golson, who has since transferred to Florida State, was suspended in 2013 because of what he deemed poor academic judgment.
 

Iceland12 said:
"Honestly, I don't know that any of our players would get into the school by themselves right now with the academic standards the way they are. Maybe one or two of our players that are on scholarship...
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Then don't admit them.
 

Ski U Master said:
Then don't admit them.
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Exactly. Maybe if he recruited athletes that could handle the rigors of an academic institution like Notre Dame this wouldn't be an issue. Brian Kelly is at fault for putting these athletes in this position.
 

cjcarter8 said:
Exactly. Maybe if he recruited athletes that could handle the rigors of an academic institution like Notre Dame this wouldn't be an issue. Brian Kelly is at fault for putting these athletes in this position.
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And he would last in his job for one year as the record would dip and he would get fired. Elite football players and great students are two things that rarely go hand in hand. I am going to guess being like Northwestern would not fly really well in South Bend.
 

MNVCGUY said:
And he would last in his job for one year as the record would dip and he would get fired. Elite football players and great students are two things that rarely go hand in hand. I am going to guess being like Northwestern would not fly really well in South Bend.
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He knew the academic standards at Notre Dame when he took the job. Whining that they are too high now is bush league.
 


MNVCGUY said:
And he would last in his job for one year as the record would dip and he would get fired. Elite football players and great students are two things that rarely go hand in hand. I am going to guess being like Northwestern would not fly really well in South Bend.
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If it is as bad as he says it is at Notre Dame, they don't need to be like Northwestern, which has academic standards higher than most in D1 football. They could fall somewhere in the middle.
 

I thought this was going to be another thread about domers losing their sacred virginity.
 

Dumb thing to argue about. The average ACT of admitted freshman at the U this year was 28.something. I doubt a single football scholarship recruit had a 28, and I bet only two or so even had a 25.

It happens at ND, it happens everywhere.
 

thesanfordman said:
Dumb thing to argue about. The average ACT of admitted freshman at the U this year was 28.something. I doubt a single football scholarship recruit had a 28, and I bet only two or so even had a 25.

It happens at ND, it happens everywhere.
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I'm glad you're not our coach.
 



thesanfordman said:
Dumb thing to argue about. The average ACT of admitted freshman at the U this year was 28.something. I doubt a single football scholarship recruit had a 28, and I bet only two or so even had a 25.

It happens at ND, it happens everywhere.
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Does that make it right?
 

thesanfordman said:
Dumb thing to argue about. The average ACT of admitted freshman at the U this year was 28.something. I doubt a single football scholarship recruit had a 28, and I bet only two or so even had a 25.

It happens at ND, it happens everywhere.
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Luke Rasmussen had a 33 ACT and a 4.1 GPA.
 

die hard gopher said:
Luke Rasmussen had a 33 ACT and a 4.1 GPA.
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So you are saying he is a 50/50 shot to get in to notre dame if he is a non athlete.



This is not as big of an issue at the U because a 27 can get you into the U and some of the players can get a 27. There are kids with perfect ACT scores that get turned down by Notre Dame
 

Some guy said:
So you are saying he is a 50/50 shot to get in to notre dame if he is a non athlete.



This is not as big of an issue at the U because a 27 can get you into the U and some of the players can get a 27. There are kids with perfect ACT scores that get turned down by Notre Dame
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I'm not sure Notre Dame is quite as exclusive as you're making it out to be. It says that in their 2014 admissions, the average student had a 32-34 ACT, so I think with Luke Rasmussen's GPA and ACT, he would be quite likely to get in as a non-athlete.
 



It's not so much the admissions standards it's a kids ability to do the work. Our staff spends a lot of time making sure a kid can do the work before offering. As far as the number of kids that we have that could do the work at ND, I'd bet better than half could, it's a matter of discipline and effort. In a lot of exclusive schools, superior achievement, is more a reflection of selection than the quality or the rigorousness of the education. The biggest trick is having the discipline to put forth the required effort.
 

Cayman said:
I'm not sure Notre Dame is quite as exclusive as you're making it out to be. It says that in their 2014 admissions, the average student had a 32-34 ACT, so I think with Luke Rasmussen's GPA and ACT, he would be quite likely to get in as a non-athlete.
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I am sure.

First of all, if you aren't on a 4.0 scale a 4.1 isn't that great of a GPA.
Second of all your own statistics say he would be in the bottom half of admittance or right at the 50th percentile.
Thirdly, notre dame gets 2100 places every year for freshmen. 25 go to football, 4 to men's basketball, 4 to women's, a certain amount to go to each sport, a certain amount to each expected major, a certain amount of saxophone players, a certain amount of soprano singers, a certain amount of legacy alumni.

Not sure they are reserving their 50th percentile enrollee for some random white kid from Wisconsin unless he was a football player.

When you only get 2100 kids in every year you don't have a lot of flexibility. Notre Dame does turn down perfect ACTs and GPAs every year. (I am sure the U of M has turned down some over the years too)
 

You don't understand extra credit GPA. It's a 4.0 scale with a modest infiltrator for AP and IB type classes. A 4.1 would indicate no worse than a 3.8 on the 4.0 scale, with the infiltrator dependent on total number of advanced classes, it's most likely that his straight GPA is more like 3.9+. My daughter graduated HS 5 yrs ago so the details are a bit fuzzy but despite taking a full IB curriculum it was only inflated by about .15.
 


Notre Dame has some high academic standards. Good for them. Every team in America makes exceptions for elite athletes. No reason to poke fun at ND for holding to their standards. If they end up sending kids to other schools? Good. **** ND. Let Rudy play.
 



nsmike said:
You don't understand extra credit GPA. It's a 4.0 scale with a modest infiltrator for AP and IB type classes. A 4.1 would indicate no worse than a 3.8 on the 4.0 scale, with the infiltrator dependent on total number of advanced classes, it's most likely that his straight GPA is more like 3.9+. My daughter graduated HS 5 yrs ago so the details are a bit fuzzy but despite taking a full IB curriculum it was only inflated by about .15.
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I had assumed they weren't on a 4.0 scale considering 4.1 is off the scale
 

Spoofin said:
Sure, but why let facts get in the way of a narrative?
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What facts negate the narrative? Kids with 33 ACT in the top 10% of their class get turned down by notre dame every year
 


Some guy said:
Yes, there are.
Notre Dames own admissions people have made claims that they deny more perfect ACT scores than they accept.

Good point though
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Their admissions people are lying to make their school seem more elite? I'm shocked!!!

They aren't turning away students with 36 ACT scores. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 

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nsmike said:
It's not so much the admissions standards it's a kids ability to do the work. Our staff spends a lot of time making sure a kid can do the work before offering. As far as the number of kids that we have that could do the work at ND, I'd bet better than half could, it's a matter of discipline and effort. In a lot of exclusive schools, superior achievement, is more a reflection of selection than the quality or the rigorousness of the education. The biggest trick is having the discipline to put forth the required effort.
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It is a commonly accepted fact that athletes are held to different acceptance standards then the general student body. Yes, many get in to schools that they wouldn't get into if they were normal students. That is not the problem.

You are right on when it comes to discipline and commitment to do the class work. Remember, most of these students are majoring in easy majors, none are taking Quantum Mechanics or Shakespeare.


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I wish I had the 5 minutes back that it took to read this thread.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Their admissions people are lying to make their school seem more elite? I'm shocked!!!

They aren't turning away students with 36 ACT scores. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Agree. There is no chance that ND is turning down kids with perfect ACT scores. That's nonsense.
 


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