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The Gophers gradually are sinking toward triple digits in the RPI.

Through Jan. 6
8. Wisconsin (still think Badgers the runaway winner by 3+ games)
17. Maryland (do get Badgers in MD in only meeting)
46. Michigan State (if Sparty wins in Iowa City, and that's a big if, they might take flight)
52. Ohio State (Russell 1 and done, but talks way too much smack)
59. Iowa (beat Sparty and maybe Hawks are a contender?)
64. Illinois (now without Rayvonte Rice)
65. Rutgers (yes, Rutgers)
74. Penn State (like Gophers, appears soft non-conference slate didn't serve them well)
81. Indiana (unpredictable, but dangerous)
83. GOPHERS (better than this, but have to start proving it with Ws)
100. Michigan (a team Gophers certainly can beat, but it's in Ann Arbor)
102. Northwestern (Rutgers will save Wildcats from the basement)
130. Purdue (where the Gophers' current predicament all started)
134. Nebraska (thought 'Huskers were overrated & they were, but still not an easy out because of Shields & Petteway)

A frightening thought? Three games in it appears the Gophers playing on Wednesday @ the Big Ten Tournament (seeds 11-14) isn't such a stretch.
 

Ugh. this is tough.

10 B1G wins or 11 to get us in, SS? (Not that either looks likely based on the last week and a half, but a fan can dream)
 

Going to rip off 8 straight wins starting this weekend.
 

fryguy22 said:
Ugh. this is tough.

10 B1G wins or 11 to get us in, SS? (Not that either looks likely based on the last week and a half, but a fan can dream)
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11 absent a win over Wisconsin, 10 if there's a win over the Badgers.

With losses already to likely upper-tier teams Maryland and OSU (our only shot at both), the relative weakness of the Gophers' conference slate (combined with minimal accomplishment in the non-con) has now become a hindrance, not a help. The Gophers need high-quality wins for their resume, and there just aren't as many available in the Big Ten this season (already whiffed on 2). Even if they get to 10 wins, they're going to need some "meat" among the victories.
 

SelectionSunday said:
11 absent a win over Wisconsin, 10 if there's a win over the Badgers.

With losses already to likely upper-tier teams Maryland and OSU (our only shot at both), the relative weakness of the Gophers' conference slate (combined with minimal accomplishment in the non-con) has new become a hindrance, not a help. The Gophers need high-quality wins for their resume, and there just aren't as many available in the Big Ten this season. Even if they get to 10 wins, the're going to need some "meat" among the victories.
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How about 10 wins and a BTT win?
 





point guard 10 said:
0 wins and a BTT championship?
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What is the worst team to ever earn an auto-bid in one of the major conferences by winning their tournament? It seems like with the single elimination tournament, at some point you'd have a total stinker (4-14ish type team) get hot at the right time and maybe benefit from a few other teams upsetting the strong teams before you have to play them. If I recall, several years ago Northwestern pulled off an impressive run to the title game but game up one game short of the bid.
 



bleedsmaroonandgold said:
What is the worst team to ever earn an auto-bid in one of the major conferences by winning their tournament? It seems like with the single elimination tournament, at some point you'd have a total stinker (4-14ish type team) get hot at the right time and maybe benefit from a few other teams upsetting the strong teams before you have to play them. If I recall, several years ago Northwestern pulled off an impressive run to the title game but game up one game short of the bid.
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Worst record to get an At Large Bid: 18-14 .563 (Arizona - 2008, Michigan St - 2011)
Oakland was 9-18 before getting an Auto bid
Coppin St was 12-20.

Too hard to find for the majors
 

Georgia, 2008

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
What is the worst team to ever earn an auto-bid in one of the major conferences by winning their tournament? It seems like with the single elimination tournament, at some point you'd have a total stinker (4-14ish type team) get hot at the right time and maybe benefit from a few other teams upsetting the strong teams before you have to play them. If I recall, several years ago Northwestern pulled off an impressive run to the title game but game up one game short of the bid.
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Has to be Georgia, 2008 SEC Tournament, the one that was hit by a tornado. Bulldogs were 4-12 in the SEC & finished last in the SEC East. They had to win 2 games (quarterfinal & semifinal) in one day (Saturday), then won the title game on Sunday.
 


You're right, RPI doesn't matter now. RPI at the end of the Big Ten tournament matters. I don't imagine Nebraska's RPI was very good when they were sitting at 8-8 after 16 games last year.
 



cjbfbp said:
You're right, RPI doesn't matter now. RPI at the end of the Big Ten tournament matters. I don't imagine Nebraska's RPI was very good when they were sitting at 8-8 after 16 games last year.
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Minor point: Nebraska finished 11-7 last BigTen season and never was 8-8.
 

Section201 said:
Minor point: Nebraska finished 11-7 last BigTen season and never was 8-8.
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I think he was referring to their overall after their first 16 games of the season, not the B1G. (I know the original discussion was about just conference games.)
 

Section201 said:
Minor point: Nebraska finished 11-7 last BigTen season and never was 8-8.
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I said they were 8-8 after their first 16 games. Look it up. I realize they finished 11-7 in the conference regular season, but they started 0-4 in the conference.

Is this a reading comprehension problem or just an uncontrollable knee jerk urge to debunk a claim before you've done your research?
 


upnorthkid said:
Worst record to get an At Large Bid: 18-14 .563 (Arizona - 2008, Michigan St - 2011)
Oakland was 9-18 before getting an Auto bid
Coppin St was 12-20.

Too hard to find for the majors
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Penn State also got an at large bid sometime last decade with something like a 19-14 record.
 

cjbfbp said:
I said they were 8-8 after their first 16 games. Look it up. I realize they finished 11-7 in the conference regular season, but they started 0-4 in the conference.

Is this a reading comprehension problem or just an uncontrollable knee jerk urge to debunk a claim before you've done your research?
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Thought you were talking about big ten conference games. So sorry you were so insulted. At least I prefaced my knee jerk reaction with "Minor Point".

I think my reading comprehension has been denigrated by the blackout last night.
 

Missing out on the OSU win is big in terms of getting a quality in. But we have two shots at Iowa, one at MSU, Michigan may not be bad by the end and who knows, maybe we can beat Wiscy at the Barn. Get two or three of those 5 (hopefully two in the next week.) in a total of 10-8 and I think we're OK. We always forget how bad the bubble.
 

I maintain that if we are 19-11, 9-9 heading to Chicago for the Big Ten Tourney, we should be mostly comfy. Not a lock, but feeling ok. 20-10 overall and 10-8 in a 14-team Big Ten is going to get you into the tourney. Period.

Clearly, the biggest question for the Gophers is - can they get to 9-9? Favorable stretch of the schedule starts after Saturday. They better make hay.
 


SelectionSunday said:
Let's hope we win enough games to find out.
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Yes, let's hope. I'd say we are 50/50 to get to 9-9. Probably 40/60 to get to 10-8.

We will likely be favored in six of the next seven following Saturday with a toss-up in the mix. Plus home games against NW and PSU after that span. Surprise someone and try to hold serve and there's a chance.
 

tjgopher said:
Yes, let's hope. I'd say we are 50/50 to get to 9-9. Probably 40/60 to get to 10-8.

We will likely be favored in six of the next seven following Saturday with a toss-up in the mix. Plus home games against NW and PSU after that span. Surprise someone and try to hold serve and there's a chance.
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Those are pretty ambitious odds. 50/50 to go 9-6 and 40/60 to go 10-5 the rest of the way? I wouldn't take the Gophers in those bets. I'd love nothing more than to be dead wrong.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold said:
Those are pretty ambitious odds. 50/50 to go 9-6 and 40/60 to go 10-5 the rest of the way? I wouldn't take the Gophers in those bets. I'd love nothing more than to be dead wrong.
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I'd lean that way as well. If Rutgers or Northwestern was our next game, if we pretty much knew Game #4 was going to get us off the schneid, I might take those odds. But because it's against a "like" opponent on the road, certainly not confident, today, Gophers are getting to 10-8.
 

SelectionSunday said:
I'd lean that way as well. If Rutgers or Northwestern was our next game, if we pretty much knew Game #4 was going to get us off the schneid, I might take those odds. But because it's against a "like" opponent on the road, certainly not confident, today, Gophers are getting to 10-8.
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They are not going to get to 10-8 at all if they don't start beating teams like Michigan on the road. Actually- I think it's fine that we have to beat someone meaningful on the road to get off the schneid. If we were playing Rutgers on Saturday at home- it wouldn't mean much. At win at Michigan actually has significance. Am I confident we will win? No.
 

At this point, based on the way the Gophers have played, I would be surprised if they finished with more than 6 or 7 conference wins. Sorry, but I just don't see this team suddenly solving all its issues and rattling off a long winning streak. I think it's more likely that they keep losing a lot of close games. If I had to guess today, I would put the record at 7-11 conf; 17-13 overall going into B1G tournament.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
At this point, based on the way the Gophers have played, I would be surprised if they finished with more than 6 or 7 conference wins. Sorry, but I just don't see this team suddenly solving all its issues and rattling off a long winning streak. I think it's more likely that they keep losing a lot of close games. If I had to guess today, I would put the record at 7-11 conf; 17-13 overall going into B1G tournament.
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I tend to agree and ironically I am in fact a short, ornery, person of Norwegian descent.
 

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