NIL and the NBA Draft

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Hard to argue the point that more players returning to college makes the college game better.
 





TNGophfan said:
Also limits opportunity for high schoolers looking to play college ball.
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While a 250 guy difference is substantial...it is less than one spot per college team. These 250 guys are vying to play for the top 100 teams...so those top teams are taking less freshmen. All but the top freshmen just move down within DI or into DII or JC and into the portal the end of the year. Just more competition for the top levels. It's a good thing.
 

While this might be a nice feature of what is happening, where this is headed is not sustainable and the idea that this is college sports is really, kind of a sham.

Also, it is very unlikely that this adds 250 more high end players to college basketball. In 2021 363 players went early entry but more than 60 college players backed out and among the 363 was a substantial number of internationals not at a college.
 

60's Guy said:
While a 250 guy difference is substantial...it is less than one spot per college team. These 250 guys are vying to play for the top 100 teams...so those top teams are taking less freshmen. All but the top freshmen just move down within DI or into DII or JC and into the portal the end of the year. Just more competition for the top levels. It's a good thing.
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Maybe, but not sure a degree from UMD is as good in the job market as Michigan (purposely exaggerated).
 

TNGophfan said:
Maybe, but not sure a degree from UMD is as good in the job market as Michigan (purposely exaggerated).
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1. What percentage of college basketball players...with a couple thousand of them in the portal have any thought of a degree? I dunno the answer but I bet it's a minority.
2 And maybe controversial...if the job doesn't require a degree like a doctor, attorney, college professor, teacher etc...then how much value does a degree have in 2025?

I put an ad in on Indeed for a $20 an hour job....ran for 3 days a week ago and I got 50 plus applicants with college degrees...it was not a requirement. I also got a lot more applicants with "crew member DQ, McDonalds etc"
My point....lots of people with degrees looking for a better job then they have at $20 bucks an hour.
 



60's Guy said:
1. What percentage of college basketball players...with a couple thousand of them in the portal have any thought of a degree? I dunno the answer but I bet it's a minority.
2 And maybe controversial...if the job doesn't require a degree like a doctor, attorney, college professor, teacher etc...then how much value does a degree have in 2025?

I put an ad in on Indeed for a $20 an hour job....ran for 3 days a week ago and I got 50 plus applicants with college degrees...it was not a requirement. I also got a lot more applicants with "crew member DQ, McDonalds etc"
My point....lots of people with degrees looking for a better job then they have at $20 bucks an hour.
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Point 1 would be interesting to know. Probably lower than it used to be. Can't argue point 2 as it's your real life experience. Kind of sad. I'm old though and job market is obviously different than when I was beginning work after college.


Still, say there are 5,000 basketball players now in D1, D2, D3 and JC, and 300 stay extra years, that's still 300 total spots less. Exact numbers are not really important, it's just fewer opportunities for high school kids. It all rolls downhill.
 

Don't forget, the NBA puts you on a rookie contract. So you can't make the BIG money until you get through those years. So there is still incentive to get to the NBA as quickly as you can.
 

If you are not a can't miss prospect at the pro level and can make good money playing college ball it makes sense to stick around in the college game as long as you can. So not all that surprising to see fewer guys leaving early and that is probably a trend that will continue to grow.

Might mean fewer opportunities for some kids coming out of high school but it isn't like a current college player should feel obligated to leave if they have eligibility left and want to remain in college.
 

MNVCGUY said:
If you are not a can't miss prospect at the pro level and can make good money playing college ball it makes sense to stick around in the college game as long as you can. So not all that surprising to see fewer guys leaving early and that is probably a trend that will continue to grow.

Might mean fewer opportunities for some kids coming out of high school but it isn't like a current college player should feel obligated to leave if they have eligibility left and want to remain in college.
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The US is trending toward a European model of sports where young kids sign paid contracts with teams at varying skill levels (think Ricky Rubio and his pro career starting as a young teen).
 



FinnGopher said:
The US is trending toward a European model of sports where young kids sign paid contracts with teams at varying skill levels (think Ricky Rubio and his pro career starting as a young teen).
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This exists with baseball for kids coming out of Venezuela and the Dominican Republic.
Kind of exists with hockey though not quite as young.
 

TNGophfan said:
Maybe, but not sure a degree from UMD is as good in the job market as Michigan (purposely exaggerated).
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Pretty sure a degree from UMD just says "University of Minnesota" so technically, it kind of is.
If we compared Bemidji State to Michigan, that would be more accurate.
 

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