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Iceland12 said:
Nice; my favorite part is how Wisconsin didn't show any interest until after he committed to NIU.
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A big reason Barry Alvarez was able to build the Wisconsin program was his commitment to instate recruits. I don't see Bielema continuing that same commitment and it may eventually hurt his program.

What I like about coach Kill is he seems to be like Alvarez in his commitment to instate recruits. While Brewster mended a lot of fences with Minnesota high school coaches, he didn't prove he was really committed when he signed out of state athletes while passing up some Minnesotan's with similar ability.
 

i don't think Bielema isn't going after in-state recriuts, it is more that he just assumes they will come to Madison if he offers preferred walk on status.
 

bushwood manor said:
i don't think Bielema isn't going after in-state recriuts, it is more that he just assumes they will come to Madison if he offers preferred walk on status.
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I think you're right, but that isn't the same level of commitment BA had.
 


bushwood manor said:
i don't think Bielema isn't going after in-state recriuts, it is more that he just assumes they will come to Madison if he offers preferred walk on status.
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Bush is their version of Joe Bjorklund. Wisconsin seemed to like him but they were only going to offer if some other things didn't pan out.
 


Wow I kind of feel bad for NIU.

They are losing recruit after recruit. Good for us though, all is fair in love, war, and recruiting.

except when you get caught paying recruits. thats not fair.
 




bushwood manor said:
i don't think Bielema isn't going after in-state recriuts, it is more that he just assumes they will come to Madison if he offers preferred walk on status.
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Hardly.

Here is the scoop with the Rivals ranked Wisconsin kids going to Wisky. Hard to do much better than that.
2011: 1,2,3,4,5,10,11,12
2010: 1,4,5,7,8,9,11
2009: 1,2,3,4,5
2008: 1,2,3,4,6,7

Compared to Minnesota ranked players to the the UM.
2011: 1,3,5,8
2010: 2,3
2009: 2,3,4,5,6,8
2008: 3.6.8.9

Coach Kill needs to do what Mason nor Brewster were unable. Get 2/3 to 3/4 of the top 10 MN kids.
 

One of these days Wisconsin is going to have a program make the move up to D2, or UW-Green Bay, UW-Milwaukee, or Marquette is going to begin football play at the FCS level. Then things will get really interesting.

In fact, if all 3 began playing at the FCS level, and Eau Claire, La Crosse, Whitewater, and Oshkosh moved to D2 Wisconsin would essentially have the same situation Minnesota does now, considering that the Dakotas heavily recruit the Twin Cities area.
 

Goldmember said:
One of these days Wisconsin is going to have a program make the move up to D2, or UW-Green Bay, UW-Milwaukee, or Marquette is going to begin football play at the FCS level. Then things will get really interesting.

In fact, if all 3 began playing at the FCS level, and Eau Claire, La Crosse, Whitewater, and Oshkosh moved to D2 Wisconsin would essentially have the same situation Minnesota does now, considering that the Dakotas heavily recruit the Twin Cities area.
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The major reason I don't see any of this happening is that all UW campuses belong to the same system and fall under the same board of regents. I don't see any reason that the UW Regents would want to incur additional costs for the system in the form of athletic scholarships when the WIAC is one of the strongest D-III athletic conferences in the nation precisely because there aren't competing D-II schools in WI and as a result many D-II caliber athletes choose to play D-III. There is no impetus for the D-III UW schools to move up. Just like I'm not sure I see the impetus for the non-football playing D-I UW schools (Green Bay and Milwaukee) to incur the costs of starting programs from the ground up to compete at the FCS level. Lastly, I can't recall hearing a push for Marquette to start playing football but I readily admit I'm not plugged into what is going on with the Golden Eagles.
 

Bayfieldgopher said:
Hardly.

Here is the scoop with the Rivals ranked Wisconsin kids going to Wisky. Hard to do much better than that.
2011: 1,2,3,4,5,10,11,12
2010: 1,4,5,7,8,9,11
2009: 1,2,3,4,5
2008: 1,2,3,4,6,7

Compared to Minnesota ranked players to the the UM.
2011: 1,3,5,8
2010: 2,3
2009: 2,3,4,5,6,8
2008: 3.6.8.9

Coach Kill needs to do what Mason nor Brewster were unable. Get 2/3 to 3/4 of the top 10 MN kids.
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Bayfield, thank you for the research. Sometimes reality doesn't equal perception! I hope coach Kill can do as well with Minnesota kids.
 



"To become a strong Division I player, I need to get into the weight room and hit it harder than ever before. I am hoping to get my weight into the 300 range. And I know there will be a lot more mentally to the game at that level."

Good Attitude, look forward to his services on our Oline in a few years.
 

WAGopher said:
Bayfield, thank you for the research. Sometimes reality doesn't equal perception! I hope coach Kill can do as well with Minnesota kids.
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I think it will take quite a bit of time to do better than Brewster did at recruiting MN kids.
 

GoAUpher said:
The major reason I don't see any of this happening is that all UW campuses belong to the same system and fall under the same board of regents. I don't see any reason that the UW Regents would want to incur additional costs for the system in the form of athletic scholarships when the WIAC is one of the strongest D-III athletic conferences in the nation precisely because there aren't competing D-II schools in WI and as a result many D-II caliber athletes choose to play D-III. There is no impetus for the D-III UW schools to move up. Just like I'm not sure I see the impetus for the non-football playing D-I UW schools (Green Bay and Milwaukee) to incur the costs of starting programs from the ground up to compete at the FCS level. Lastly, I can't recall hearing a push for Marquette to start playing football but I readily admit I'm not plugged into what is going on with the Golden Eagles.
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Yep. Best example of this is when Alabama Birmingham wanted to hire Jimbo Fisher. Remember that? The same board controlled both Alabama and ALB. The $600,00 for Fisher got turned down even though supporters of the program would have funded most of it. He's now the Head Coach at Florida State.When Nick Saban became available suddenly millions of dollars were okay.

Wisconsin will never let it get that far.
 

Bayfieldgopher said:
Hardly.

Here is the scoop with the Rivals ranked Wisconsin kids going to Wisky. Hard to do much better than that.
2011: 1,2,3,4,5,10,11,12
2010: 1,4,5,7,8,9,11
2009: 1,2,3,4,5
2008: 1,2,3,4,6,7

Compared to Minnesota ranked players to the the UM.
2011: 1,3,5,8
2010: 2,3
2009: 2,3,4,5,6,8
2008: 3.6.8.9

Coach Kill needs to do what Mason nor Brewster were unable. Get 2/3 to 3/4 of the top 10 MN kids.
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Ummmm, by your standards, Brewster did EXACTLY what you wanted him to. What am I missing here?
 


Unregistered User said:
16 of the past 40 top 10 is 40%
2/3 would be 27 (rounded up)
3/4 would be 30
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You know what I'm missing? My brain. Went on an early vacation. For some reason I thought the poster was trying to say that Brewster should get 2to3 to 3to4 of the top 10 MN recruits. SO yeah, that whole "fractions" thing? Didn't register at all. Thanks for setting me straight.

:eek:
 

GoAUpher said:
The major reason I don't see any of this happening is that all UW campuses belong to the same system and fall under the same board of regents. I don't see any reason that the UW Regents would want to incur additional costs for the system in the form of athletic scholarships when the WIAC is one of the strongest D-III athletic conferences in the nation precisely because there aren't competing D-II schools in WI and as a result many D-II caliber athletes choose to play D-III. There is no impetus for the D-III UW schools to move up. Just like I'm not sure I see the impetus for the non-football playing D-I UW schools (Green Bay and Milwaukee) to incur the costs of starting programs from the ground up to compete at the FCS level. Lastly, I can't recall hearing a push for Marquette to start playing football but I readily admit I'm not plugged into what is going on with the Golden Eagles.
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Wisconsin-Whitewater has over 11,000 students. It's ridiculous to me that they are still D3. I wish the NCAA would make some kind of max enrollment for schools in D3. Of course, it will never happen.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Wisconsin-Whitewater has over 11,000 students. It's ridiculous to me that they are still D3. I wish the NCAA would make some kind of max enrollment for schools in D3. Of course, it will never happen.
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10,999 could not make it academically at the University of Minnesota. :banghead:
 

They asked him to camp this summer and earn an offer. He was hurt and was unable to camp and because of that got lost in the shuffle. He is a very good player, but ended up getting passed over.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
I think it will take quite a bit of time to do better than Brewster did at recruiting MN kids.
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Well it is certainly going to be easy losing the top instate recruits like Brew did. That sort of ineptness doesn't take effort.
 

Brewster was pretty good at establishing a fence around Minnesota. He missed out on two huge recruits in Floyd and Henderson, but landed the vast majority of top 5 kids he offered.

I disagree that Kill (or anyone coaching the Gophers) needs to land 2/3 of the top 10 in Minnesota. What the coach needs to do is land the ELITE guys out of Minnesota. Landing 1 of the top 5 and 6-10 does nothing for this program. At the very least, we need to retain the level of success Brewster had in landing the top guys in the state and hopefully improve on that to the point where the top guy (Floyd, Henderson) chooses Minnesota.
 

Sparlimb said:
Well it is certainly going to be easy losing the top instate recruits like Brew did. That sort of ineptness doesn't take effort.
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You think that Michael Floyd and Henderson chose Notre Dame and (USC) Miami because they didn't like Brewster? You really think that Brewster was the main factor in them not choosing Minnesota? If you're expecting Kill to land every top Minnesota National recruit, a recruit that gets offers from Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida, USC, Texas etc. then you might as well get your "throw that bastard Kill out of here" campaign started now.

If those are your standards you must have been leading the campaign to fire Brewster, Mason, Wacker and Gutey before they finished their first year. Hell, if those are your standards you must have wanted Mason and his crew to be hung-up by their toes!

You might want to give Kill a little more leeway, though maybe you're right. Warmath was probably the last coach to reach that standard and he had some great teams. Even so you might have to crank-up the hate every signing day.
 

Sparlimb said:
Well it is certainly going to be easy losing the top instate recruits like Brew did. That sort of ineptness doesn't take effort.
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You think a better recruiter would have landed Floyd or Henderson?

The fact is that instate recruiting under Brewster got DRASTICALLY better. I know that the Brew haters aren't really looking for any rationale discussion on this subject, but it is naive to expect the U to hire anyone who will come in and lock up the state of MN much better than Brew.

If you really need a statistical breakdown of the improvement over the past few seasons, I guess I will do one again, but let me repeat, we have gotten better at recruiting within the state of MN and it's not even close.
 

Just get the best from your state and then get the better players from the states that border (minimum 2 border states)and you are in the hunt in the BT.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
You think a better recruiter would have landed Floyd or Henderson?

The fact is that instate recruiting under Brewster got DRASTICALLY better. I know that the Brew haters aren't really looking for any rationale discussion on this subject, but it is naive to expect the U to hire anyone who will come in and lock up the state of MN much better than Brew.

If you really need a statistical breakdown of the improvement over the past few seasons, I guess I will do one again, but let me repeat, we have gotten better at recruiting within the state of MN and it's not even close.
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Well he's got to fire-up his "GET RID OF KILL campaign already. Walters reported today that Jacob Fahrenkrup a Cooper Grad regarded as the top J.C. offensive lineman in the nation, is going to Florida State. :eek:

Yep, Kill just made Sparlimb's "lousy Gopher recruiters" Trio of Brewster, Mason and Wacker into a Quartet! ;)
 

The Badgers have 8 commits from Wisconsin out of 18. They also have two gray shirts from Wisconsin and 4 preferred walk ons from Wisconsin set up.

That does not sound like they are not emphasizing Wisconsin recruiting, but what do I know.

The Badgers coaching staff has a crazy concept. They offer the kids they like, they don't offer the kids they don't like. They try and get players that they think can develop into good players down the road but are not worthy of an offer right now to walk on. It is not a difficult concept to grasp, yet it seems to cause so much angst on this board.

The class this year in Wisconsin is very deep, thus the 8 commits from in state and two gray shirts.
 

When i see a school like Wisconsin recruiting players ranked as low as 12th in their state (meaning there are at least 12 Big Ten quality players to recruit in state) and realize that in Minnesota we are lucky to get 10 Division 1 quality recruits it becomes clear rather quickly as to why we struggle. Our championship teams connected with our level of instate talent, and our decline coincides with this. Until our state starts producing more quality players it will be difficult to have year in and year out championship quality teams like Wisconsin does. I think Brewster did a great job recruiting in state, but the reality is in many years after player 4 or 5 they just are not Big Ten quality players.
 

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