brucekaupa
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Nothing to report. Just glad his kids were not old enough to be assistant coaches when he was here.
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Gopher07
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He probably appreciates being dome paid. His wife, not so much.
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I don't understand the trashing Monson gets here. He was 52-17 at Gonzaga. Came to UM following the Haskins era scandal. Went 118-106 at UM. Gets fired. Goes to LBSt and takes a 6-25 program his first year to 25-9 his fifth year. So success before UM, success after. We change coach after coach in football and basketball and don't improve. I think the notion that Reusse and others have that all we have to do is find the right coach and all will be well misses something. If I were UM admin, I'd collect a group of interested analysts who could research these programs -- compare us with our neighbor UW and 1. determine what is different between those two programs and 2. recommend what could fix it (if whatever they find is fixable.) Meanwhile, I don't think Monson deserves the ridicule. He seems to do fine elsewhere.
Who's trashing him. He was a good hire at the time, didn't work out. The only coach I've seen truly trashed on these boards is Brewster. And he deserved most of it...
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FanSinceTheFifties: When you are right...you are right.
I agree with your take on Coach Monson completely. Long ago, I took the time to see Minnesota's records vs other Big Ten Programs. Up until about the mid 1960's, the Gophers ranked about 4th in Big Ten play vs Big Ten Programs. Obviously, it dropped off after that time, and the Haskin's scandal really made it almost impossible to determine realistically after that period of time. Of course, there were other HOOPS related scandals during the Musselman era...the Madison loss of institutional control type of situation and then the mother of them all...the Haskin's academic fraud scandal. These scandals each hampered, hindered and hurt Golden Gopher Men's Basketball. The legacy of the program has been one of penalties, scandal and trouble. Yet, there have been some better, exciting and positive periods as well. Staying completely honest, scandal-free and competitive within the conference will be the ongoing tasks of the hoops program...
With football, it is quite easy to see the drop off started in 1961 with the arrival of the Vikings and also the Integration of southern colleges which impacted the ability to recruit Great African-American Athletes to the U to the extent that Murray Warmath had been able to in the late 1950's and early 1960's. Prior to the mid 1960's the U of M had been in the top 3 or 4 programs historically in the Big Ten. Of course, you must realize that Michigan State didn't enter the Big Ten Conference until the 1950's. By early 1970, Michigan and Ohio State would reign supreme in the conference. By the early 1980's the administration at the U opted to move football off campus to be the third tenant in the dome. And Gopher Football was thrown into the WILDERNESS ERA. In the end: Bierman was forced out, Fessler gave up and retired, Warmath had some GREAT success, but, in the end was forced out. Stoll was fired. Salem was fired. Hoax abandoned the Gophers for Notre Dame. Guttey was fired. Wacker was fired. Mason was extended several times (the first time because of the firestorm caused by the breaking of the Haskin's scandal) and finally was bought out and was fired. Brewster was fired mid-season and that brings us to Coach Kill. The administration at the U has employed the "fire your way to prosperity" approach that has failed miserably.
The Men's Hoops program has struggled with scandal and NCAA violations and loss of control on 3 different occasions since the 1970's.
It is really hard to overcome and come back from all those negatives.
So, the ability to be more competitive within the conference in football and basketball suffered from the mid 1960's forward. You could say the past half century, I guess. The times changed and for what ever reasons, the administration and the athletic department of the University of Minnesoat have struggled.
Dan Monson was severely hampered by the sanctions, loss of scholarships and general bad publicity the U of M Men's Basketball Program received as a result of that scandal. Ironically, the Long Beach Program he took over also had been penalized by the NCAA just prior to his arrival there. I suppose you could say he has been a caretaker to programs that have been NCAA Rules Violators. Ironically, here at Minnesota, he probably received more discontent from the fans than haskins ever did. But, that's the way fans many times seem to be....blind to the reality of the situation and ready to lash-out at who ever is trying to clean up the mess that some other coach has been guilty of.
Coach Kill receives some of that misguided anger and frustration run wild too... But, the healing process for football has begun as was experienced by the invitation to a bowl game this past December.
There is no magic cure. Only wins can help our programs grow and get better.....each win helps...each loss hurts.
Dan Monson was NOT the problem.
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I wouldn't necessarily say that he didn't work out. He inherited a dumpster fire and stabilized the situation.
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Dan Monson also was a jerk - remember his snide comments about 'not' looking to move on from the Gophers? Transparent to the max.
He deserved ALL of it. And he continues to serve up a big steamy pile and get jobs at Miss State and FSU.... "Are ya hungry, or are ya starvin'?"
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I recall that Monson got (and deserved) a lot of support for the first 4-5 years of his tenure. Things started going south with his handling of the Kris Humphreys et pater debacle, some pretty lackluster recruiting and the uninspired play of the team at the beginning of his last season.
In a large sense it was similar to the situation with Tubby - - a growing feeling that things were bogged down and a lack of connection with players.
In a large sense it was similar to the situation with Tubby - - a growing feeling that things were bogged down and a lack of connection with players.
He worked out well until the Illinois game 2002. That was his water-loo. Never recovered. Every coach has one. Not sure when Tubby's was...I guess when Al Nolen broke his foot.