New AP top 25. Gophers out, Portland at 25, Butler at 23!!!

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Simply an outrage that Butler is No. 23. Absolute nonsense!!!
1. Kansas (63)
2. Texas (1)
3. Villanova
4. Purdue
5. Kentucky
6. Duke
7. West Virginia
8. Syracuse (1)
9. Michigan St.
10. North Carolina
11. Tennessee
12. Washington
13. Florida 6-0
14. Connecticut
15. Ohio St.
16. Georgetown
17. Gonzaga
18. Clemson
19. Texas A&M
20. Louisville
21. Florida St.
22. Cincinnati
23. Butler
24. UNLV
25. Portland

Others receiving votes: Oklahoma St. 112, Georgia Tech 97, Marquette 82, Mississippi 79, Miami 77, BYU 76, Memphis 66, Vanderbilt 64, Notre Dame 52, Kansas St. 41, Michigan 40, California 39, Minnesota 35, Wisconsin 28, St. John’s 26, Northwestern 15, Dayton 8, Missouri St. 7, New Mexico 6, Pittsburgh 6, Richmond 6, Arizona St. 5, Illinois 5, N.C. State 5, Illinois St. 4, Washington St. 4, Maryland 3, South Carolina 3, Missouri 2, Texas Tech 2, Cal St.-Fullerton 1, Va. Commonwealth 1.
 

How would your top 25 look?

To me the biggest "outrage" is Gonzaga at #17 (should be much, much higher), and that Louisville is even rated.
 

Pretty much meaningless since teams have only played a limited number of games.

I'd much prefer that until conference schedules begin (say, as a "Christmas Present" to fans) that there be two primary divisions of teams:

  1. Top-tier teams (could be as many as 25 but forget the fake ordinal ranking); and,
  2. Teams on the cusp (could be as many as another 25 I guess).

The ordinal ranking gives the false impression that there are meaningful differences between a team ranked #3 versus a team ranked #11. I don't think anyone knows that at this point.
 

You are an easy one to outrage.
 



Rick Mons said:
Pretty much meaningless since teams have only played a limited number of games.

I'd much prefer that until conference schedules begin (say, as a "Christmas Present" to fans) that there be two primary divisions of teams:

  1. Top-tier teams (could be as many as 25 but forget the fake ordinal ranking); and,
  2. Teams on the cusp (could be as many as another 25 I guess).
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I agree.
 

sal said:
You are an easy one to outrage.
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So, you honestly think Butler should be in the top 25 after losing to now unranked Minnesota and No. 18 Clemson? That's what confuses me. Nothing else in the top 25 is "outrageous."
 

>>Others receiving votes: Oklahoma St. 112, Georgia Tech 97, Marquette 82, Mississippi 79, Miami 77, BYU 76, Memphis 66, Vanderbilt 64, Notre Dame 52, Kansas St. 41, Michigan 40, California 39, Minnesota 35...<<

Sagarin had the Gophers at #37 before the last two losses, but I was told his rankings are meaningless.
 

While it is good or bad, for any teams' homers, to be rated, or not at this time of the year, is like whether or not I enjoyed kissing my sister, years ago when she was cute. :confused:
 



Gopher4Life said:
>>Others receiving votes: Oklahoma St. 112, Georgia Tech 97, Marquette 82, Mississippi 79, Miami 77, BYU 76, Memphis 66, Vanderbilt 64, Notre Dame 52, Kansas St. 41, Michigan 40, California 39, Minnesota 35...<<

Sagarin had the Gophers at #37 before the last two losses, but I was told his rankings are meaningless.
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Wow, you are clueless. The Sagarin rankings had the Gophers at around #8-9 after the Butler win, I looked. The ratings update automatically with the standings because it is a formula based computer ranking, similar to the BCS but without the human element. Like everyone said, it is a better indicator late in the season, not after 3 games. That's why in football they don't even release the BCS standing until week 5 or 6 because they are meaningless before that.
 


BigGopherFan said:
I wouldn't have Butler in the top 25. That's all.
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Whoa there, BGF. Was it not you who accused all of the GH'ers who predicted a Gopher win versus Butler as not being objective/educated/realistic?

Think about things you say, then reverse things. The spurs will eventually poke you in the a$$ if you are not careful. :)
 

Vision,

Sagarin had us 37 prior to Butler and now 38 after the two recent losses. The original discussion was about whether or not we were worthy of 16-25, where we've been in the two major polls.
 



And my original point was that after 3 games, and still after 6 games, those ratings are rather worthless. We jumped up and down 30 spots within a 3 game stretch.
 

Like to exaggerate much?

My point was that Sagarin, for all its early season flaws, was probably closer to the truth all along.
 

I wouldn't have put Butler in the top 25 myself, but that's not a terrible spot for them.
 

Here's the wonderful thing about college basketball-the polls don't matter. They don't matter now and they won't matter in March, when NCAA bids are given out. While it may be nice for a program to say they're ranked in the top 25, top 15, top 10, etc. or to gain a #1 ranking during the season, the selection committee doesn't care much about where a team's ranked in the poll when they make their selections or seedings for the tournament.

As others have stated, there's plenty in this world to be outraged about that deserve a whole lot more energy than NCAA basketball rankings in late November.
 

Not only do the polls not really matter, but there just seems to be a large amount of parity in college basketball so far this year. Two teams (Syracuse, Florida) have jumped from unranked to the #10-15 range. A record-breaking 7 teams joined the AP poll for the first time this season just this week. Everything is a bit crazy now, but it will settle down sooner or later.
 

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