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I just read that they changed a rule, so that the HS All-Star game can't be played at TCF Bank Stadium. It has been moved to St. Cloud on June 30th. These kids have either signed with schools or decided to move on from football at the next level. Rule now states that All-Star games cannot be played in D1 venues. Nothing like taking the thrill of playing one last game at TCF away from MN kids.
 

The WPIAL (Western PA) Football Championships are played at Heinz Field, where Pitt plays their home games. I wonder if the new rule would prevent this.
 

GopherInPittsburgh said:
The WPIAL (Western PA) Football Championships are played at Heinz Field, where Pitt plays their home games. I wonder if the new rule would prevent this.
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LOL - Seriously?
 


MaxyJR1 said:
I just read that they changed a rule, so that the HS All-Star game can't be played at TCF Bank Stadium. It has been moved to St. Cloud on June 30th. These kids have either signed with schools or decided to move on from football at the next level. Rule now states that All-Star games cannot be played in D1 venues. Nothing like taking the thrill of playing one last game at TCF away from MN kids.
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This is especially stupid because I don't think any D1 BCS players play in the game anymore.
 


GopherInPittsburgh said:
The WPIAL (Western PA) Football Championships are played at Heinz Field, where Pitt plays their home games. I wonder if the new rule would prevent this.
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Why, no! This is a pro-owned stadium that is rented out to a D1 school. TCF Bank Stadium is owned by a D1 school. Now that's a crime.
 

If I'm reading correctly, the game in Pittsburgh is a championship game and not an all-star game. NCAA sees a difference between those. Now, why they limit it to just D1 seems, frankly, stupid, but I haven't see the rulebook.

Edit: All I can find is this rule pertaining to men's basketball:

13.11.1.8 Nonscholastic Practice or Competition—Men’s Basketball. An institution [including any
institutional department (e.g., athletics, recreational/intramural)] shall not host, sponsor or conduct a nonscholastic basketball practice or competition in which men’s basketball prospective student-athletes (see Bylaw
13.11.1.2) participate on its campus or at an off-campus facility regularly used by the institution for practice and/or competition by any of the institution’s sport programs. (Adopted: 4/28/11; a contract signed before
10/29/09 may be honored)
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It seems likely that they used something similar in crafting the football bylaw, but I can't find it. The key distinction is "nonscholastic" competition, or basically, all-star and AAU games.
 

twilight years for the NCAA. it's been a nice run but you are no longer needed.
 

MNfootballfan said:
This is especially stupid because I don't think any D1 BCS players play in the game anymore.
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I know last year in the Minnesota All-Star game there was a guy going to Stanford for football.
 



zambam said:
I know last year in the Minnesota All-Star game there was a guy going to Stanford for football.
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Really? I thought I read somewhere that FBS guys couldn't play in the game... maybe it was just scholarship guys, or maybe I am just wrong... that could happen too! Just curious who it was if you know? It is always a great game to go to, I admit I haven't been to a game at St. Cloud.
 

If the rule was made on the basis of recruiting advantage, I could see how it could extend to venues such as Heinz Field. It's not an off-base assumption that teams that make it to the WPIAL championships (the WPIAL is very, very competitive-- high school football is enormous in Western PA) have a few D-1 football players playing. A few come to mind who were future Pitt players who were still undecided. They get to play in the same stadium as their college.

Sorry for straying off-topic, but there can definitely be a link drawn to the scenario.
 


MNfootballfan said:
Really? I thought I read somewhere that FBS guys couldn't play in the game... maybe it was just scholarship guys, or maybe I am just wrong... that could happen too! Just curious who it was if you know? It is always a great game to go to, I admit I haven't been to a game at St. Cloud.
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Anthony Hayes. I had a friend who played in the game and he was telling me a guy on his team got a football scholarship to Stanford.
 



RodentRampage said:
The NCAA isn't going away.
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And even if the name "NCAA" and the organization as it now stands ceases to exist, there will be a comparable organization that will take its place. And that organization could potentially be better, but it will likely be just as bad or worse. People who make these "get rid of the NCAA" calls seemingly pretend that a higher-level governing body is superfluous and that the schools can be trusted to police and govern themselves. To that I say: a) it isn't, and b) they can't.
 


I would imagine that this is a rule that is largely intended for states with multiple D1 upper tier programs such as Texas, Florida, California, etc. As an example, an all star game in say the Longhorns Texas Memorial Stadium could be seen as an extra recruiting visit to other Texas schools. And I am willing to bet the host college in these situations have taken advantage of this when there is a recruit they want. It is unfortunate that states like Minnesota with one major conference DI school have to abide by the same rule. Especially for the kids who will probably never play in a major college program to lose the opportunity to play a game in a Big Ten stadium.
 

There is no reason why the U can't apply for a waiver. There is no other D-I school in the state to compete with them, and there are very few D-I recruits in the game.
 

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