NCAA Allows Big 5 Autonomy

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"The NCAA Division I board of directors on Thursday voted to allow the 65 schools in the top five conferences to write many of their own rules. The autonomy measures -- which the power conferences had all but demanded -- will permit those leagues to decide on things such as cost-of-attendance stipends and insurance benefits for players, among other issues.

The Power Five (the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, SEC and Pac-12) could begin submitting their own legislation by Oct. 1 and have it enacted at the January 2015 NCAA convention in Washington, D.C. Key early issues are expected to include full cost-of-attendance stipends worth up to $5,000 per player, four-year scholarship guarantees, loosened rules involving contact between players and agents as well as outside career pursuits for players, staff sizes, recruiting rules, mandatory hours spent on individual sports, and travel allowances for players' families to attend postseason games.
Areas that will not fall under the autonomy umbrella include postseason tournaments, transfer policies, scholarship limits, signing day and rules governing on-the-field play..
If 75 schools from outside the Power Five vote to override the autonomy legislation in the next 60 days, the measures would be sent back to the board of directors for further consideration. But NCAA officials don't expect that to happen. Power Five commissioners have made veiled threats about breaking off to form their own division if autonomy fails."

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...d-votes-allow-autonomy-five-power-conferences

That sort of equity is largely a mirage," Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said Wednesday in New York. He spoke as a panelist in a two-hour discussion, sponsored by the conference, of the state of intercollegiate athletics. "There's always been some separation. This may contribute to some additional separation, although the rules and any changes that might be made are intended to be permissive. But they're also intended to take into account that those 65 schools are largely the face of what most people know as college athletics."

And that's how we got to this vote. As the schools brought in more and more money -- Kansas State will earn $26 million in television revenue this year -- and could not spend more on student-athletes, the schools attracted lawsuits. They also began to get hammered in the court of public opinion.
"I think we got to the place," Bowlsby said, "where we just believe there was a need for us to be perhaps a little less egalitarian, a little less magnanimous about the 350 schools and spend a little time worrying about the most severe issues that are troubling our programs among the 65."
With autonomy, the 65 schools say they intend to provide more benefits to the student-athlete: more aid per year, more years on a scholarship and health insurance that will extend beyond an athlete's time on campus. Fifteen student-athletes -- three from each of the five conferences -- will be voting members of the new board.
"I am cautiously optimistic," Baylor University president and chancellor Ken Starr said Wednesday. "There are so many ramifications, and there is also this abiding concern of unintended consequences."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11321434/autonomy-grants-power-5-more-control



 

Imagine having to recruit to the MAC now. If you are a halfway decent athlete, you'll wait until signing day to see if that scholarship request from Big65 school comes in. If not, then go to Western Michigan. Tough on those coaches.
 

This sucks. I just hope the University of Minnesota commits to keeping up with the other schools, or what little relevance we currently have is going to continue to shrink. I know good arguments can be made on behalf of the student-athlete, but I only look at this issue from the perspective of a Gopher football fan and think this will ultimately hurt the program.
 

I'm interested to know more about this:
loosened rules involving contact between players and agents as well as outside career pursuits for players
 

Imagine having to recruit to the MAC now. If you are a halfway decent athlete, you'll wait until signing day to see if that scholarship request from Big65 school comes in. If not, then go to Western Michigan. Tough on those coaches.

I heard we don't offer unless Western Michigan does. This will make recruiting difficult. :cool:
 


And............Pandora's Box is officially open.

If you think college sports were dirty before, you haven't seen anything yet.
 


It's a good thing we already built that stadium, or else I could have realistically seen a scenario where the UofM dropped the football program because of this ruling. Hopefully the decision board works with the efficiency of congress and very little gets done, because this is the beginning of the end for college football the way we know it. I'm going to seriously try and enjoy this season, because it may be the last that means anything.
 

The G5 Conferences (MAC, MWC, SBC, CUSA, AAC) are currently stating their support for this and their intentions in keeping up with the full cost of tuition, like the P5. The rub in this whole thing with be the non-football sports. How are non-football conference supposed to be able to compete with the football dollars rolling in. How will the Big East, A10, etc (top BB conferences w/o FB) be able to keep up.

Football will be a mess, but BB could be worse.
 



The G5 Conferences (MAC, MWC, SBC, CUSA, AAC) are currently stating their support for this and their intentions in keeping up with the full cost of tuition, like the P5. The rub in this whole thing with be the non-football sports. How are non-football conference supposed to be able to compete with the football dollars rolling in. How will the Big East, A10, etc (top BB conferences w/o FB) be able to keep up.

Football will be a mess, but BB could be worse.

I don't care about other conferences. IF this is a benefit to the University of Minnesota then I'm all for it. Screw the big east.
 

While we likely saw the beginning of the end some time ago, my guess is that this expedites that end.

My initial take was that football, in time, would pull away from the NCAA and my concern with this move is that basketball is more likely to be seriously changed as well. All in all, "not good" is a fair assessment.
 

It's a good thing we already built that stadium, or else I could have realistically seen a scenario where the UofM dropped the football program because of this ruling. Hopefully the decision board works with the efficiency of congress and very little gets done, because this is the beginning of the end for college football the way we know it. I'm going to seriously try and enjoy this season, because it may be the last that means anything.

Sadly, I agree with you. College football is now nothing more than the minor league for the NFL.

Not that it was pure as the wind driven snow before, but now, I fear, teams will be openly bidding for the new, one and done, recruit. Yes, that rule will change as well.
 

Sadly, I agree with you. College football is now nothing more than the minor league for the NFL.

Not that it was pure as the wind driven snow before, but now, I fear, teams will be openly bidding for the new, one and done, recruit. Yes, that rule will change as well.

Right. About 10 years ago I broke my allegiance with Vikings and went 100% with the Gophers because I thought they could never threaten to leave or go on strike. Now I see that college sports can also be ruined by money. I sincerely hope I'm overreacting and noting really changes, but I'm doubtful. At least I have hockey to fall back on...
 



I don't care about other conferences. IF this is a benefit to the University of Minnesota then I'm all for it. Screw the big east.

Yes, hopeful most people don't share your opinion.
 

I don't care about other conferences. IF this is a benefit to the University of Minnesota then I'm all for it. Screw the Big East.

Good point. Ask the former football members of the Big East about the magnanimous nature of the new basketball only Big East members.

If the new "Big 5" Conferences get their way and the NCAA revokes Freshman Eligibility and they keep March Madness intact, the affect on the basketball only schools should be minimized.
 

I don't think the change is going to hurt the U of MN as much as some are thinking. I'd be scared as hell if Maturi was still AD, but Teague plays at the big boy table. This will be several years of fundamental change to collegiate athletics. The best thing we can do to benefit as a University is to help lead the charge and implement the changes first. Could end up being the best thing that has happened to the U.
 

Yes, hopeful most people don't share your opinion.

Since this is "Gopher" sports board, I hope most people do share my belief. I'm not quite sure what you're doing here anyways...do they not have message boards in North Dakota?
 

I don't think the change is going to hurt the U of MN as much as some are thinking. I'd be scared as hell if Maturi was still AD, but Teague plays at the big boy table. This will be several years of fundamental change to collegiate athletics. The best thing we can do to benefit as a University is to help lead the charge and implement the changes first. Could end up being the best thing that has happened to the U.

I hope you're right! Ski U Mah!!
 

This sucks. I just hope the University of Minnesota commits to keeping up with the other schools, or what little relevance we currently have is going to continue to shrink. I know good arguments can be made on behalf of the student-athlete, but I only look at this issue from the perspective of a Gopher football fan and think this will ultimately hurt the program.

One reason this has come about is because the lower divisions played a huge part in making the rules due to there being more voting for their concerns. This is not a bad thing if you are willing to commit to being a super conference school. There will be rules that create parity or none of it will work. There are so many rules that the lower division schools have put in place that have hurt us and other schools. Years ago players received $25.00 a week. That was rescinded because small schools did not want to pay. Same thing with meals and things like health care after football issues when a player graduates. The only way this hurts the U of M is if the misconceptions in the legislature and the bureaucracy on campus are not updated to the facts of running a profit generating business. I talked to two Legislators who did not realize that the athletic department does not receive tax dollars to operate. This and poorly crafted agreements by our crack legal representation (Aramark contract) have severely handicapped our ability to compete. There is a "come to Jesus moment" moment coming where we are in or out so to speak. The Big ten will leave us if they have to even if we are an original charter member.

Its going to come down to the will of The University president and key members at the capital that really see the benefits of being competitive and profitable. If that cannot get figured out by people, we will in short time be playing in some conference like the American conference and playing fridays and Tuesdays to pick up TV scrap money.
 

Gopherjay, thank you for the beautiful ray of sunshine.
 

This and poorly crafted agreements by our crack legal representation (Aramark contract) have severely handicapped our ability to compete. There is a "come to Jesus moment" moment coming where we are in or out so to speak.

Did we get cash registers yet?
 



At least I have hockey to fall back on...

This ruling could a disaster for football and basketball but a boon for hockey. MN is already the 'New York Yankees' of college hockey and now NDSU, SCSU, UMD, etc. will be totally unable to compete for recruits. The B1G hockey schools will crush them. Is that really better for the game though?
 

All this will do is distance the 65 teams from the rest (which helps the gophers) but will also likely distance the fully funded top 20 of the 65 away from the rest as well. Which means years of watching the same teams playing in the same bowls with little if any chance to move significantly up or down. Teams like Oregon who have just been waiting for a way to spend whatever it takes to be even better will be taking kids away from teams like the gophers who will underfund this like the underfund every thing else they do.

65 teams? does that mean we invite one team up to play in the Toilet Bowl or do we shun one of the 65 teams into not having a bowl game. Can't imagine any of this can work without guaranteed bowl games every year for all teams.
 

Its going to come down to the will of The University president and key members at the capital that really see the benefits of being competitive and profitable. If that cannot get figured out by people, we will in short time be playing in some conference like the American conference and playing fridays and Tuesdays to pick up TV scrap money.

Hopefully the will of the University President is strong and persuasive but there is no way I can believe the key members at the capital will buy in. It will be interesting to see if the the U is all in
 

I have a feeling the non-BCS schools will create their own subdivision soon. Three D-1 tiers.
 

I usually just read this forum, but this topic needs some reality.

we say all the we want to build new facilities, be a first class program, and on and on. the main difference between this program and the rest of the big ten is fan support. if this passes there is no way the gophers can financially keep up. face it, fan support sucks. how long has Teague been trying to raise money for improvements? he's trying sell a program to donors the fans don't care about. of course, the vast majority of people who come here are big fans. but that is a vast minority. the BTN, B1G money goes to all conference teams equally. still with all of that we can't keep up.

if this happens, the B1G will be the BIG 5.
 

I usually just read this forum, but this topic needs some reality.

we say all the we want to build new facilities, be a first class program, and on and on. the main difference between this program and the rest of the big ten is fan support. if this passes there is no way the gophers can financially keep up. face it, fan support sucks. how long has Teague been trying to raise money for improvements? he's trying sell a program to donors the fans don't care about. of course, the vast majority of people who come here are big fans. but that is a vast minority. the BTN, B1G money goes to all conference teams equally. still with all of that we can't keep up.

if this happens, the B1G will be the BIG 5.


You don't know what "reality" means do you?
 

I think this is way past due and is great for the student athletes who generate the billions of dollars. The NCAA continues to lose in court and will continue to lose as their cartel like actions are illegal.

And for all you "how can we pay for this?" chicken little crap...the new TV contract will raise the amount the U gets substantially...far exceeding the costs of these changes.

Now we can't compete with tOSU until we sell more tickets, get more donations, etc. but we can maintain our position as a middle of the road B1G team in football and successful in other sports with our current financial model.
 




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