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I haven't posted much if at all. But I am avid reader of the message boards here. I felt tonight was a good night to post. The Tubby firing has brought some National Media who are adamantly opposed to Tubby's firing. They also hate Ben Howland being fired. I have took to twitter tonight to respond to Tim Brando's idocy in the matter. We have had quite the debate. I don't know if this will translate well to the board, but here goes.

Tim Brando ‏@TimBrando 9h
These guys running the Institutions of Higher Learning wanna talk the talk but never walk the walk. If true about Tubby? Absolutely shameful

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 3h
@TimBrando @MRdettman Pretty big assumption. You may want to look at the big picture. 46-62 in Big Ten. never finished above 6th.

Tim Brando ‏@TimBrando 3h
@RealJasonMoonen I'm looking at advancing in the post season and yes there were issues but he had no facilities no support. New AD, and done

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 2h
@TimBrando Do we have continually build shiny new palaces for these teams? He has enough facilities to win. As far as support he has plenty

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 2h
@TimBrando As far as advancing in post season is concerned, he won 1 NCAA tournament game in 6 years. Record in February was 15-29.
 

Tim Brando ‏@TimBrando 8h
Never cease to be amazed at those that think they know the business of sports."I'm a fan and the Coach is an idiot" Presidents love it! Wow.

Tim Brando ‏@TimBrando 8h
@JBTexasEx yeah and he will hire a Search firm and pay them a half million to do the JOB that he should already be payed to do.Complete JOKE

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 3h
@TimBrando @JBTexasEx Once again you are in your own little bubble. No search firm is being hired. Clearly stated in the Press Conference

Tim Brando ‏@TimBrando 3h
@RealJasonMoonen isn't that special. Believe what you want. All the humanoids do!

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 2h
@TimBrando In regards to what? Teague and Ellis are connected. Teague clearly stated he wasn't hiring a search firm. What's not to believe?
 

The national media doesn't follow the Gophers. They will never understand why the decision to fire Tubby was made. He underachieved. You don't see Andy Katz or Dick Vitale revolting against Minnesota. Why? Because they knew that Minnesota had the talent to make it to the Sweet 16 this year or even further.
 

Thanks for posting. No doubt that the national media was going to position this move in a negative light for the U and would take shots at Teague. Tubby is well respected and people know he runs a clean program. That being said, these reporters get to look at the situation in a vacuum and don't have to sit through the rough seasons we sat through, don't have to watch guys who left the program excel at other programs, etc.

The criticism of the nation media will last for a day or two, then they'll move on to the next story.

I expect the local media to be more supportive of Teague's move.

Go Gophers!!
 

I took a lot of heat in Chicago last week when I at all criticized Tubby Smith. I asked some adamant Hoosier fans if they had a coach who never was above .500 in conference play and had never won an NCAA tourney game in 5+ years what would they expect to happen? Few realized the totality of the facts.
 


Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 3h
Here you go @TimBrando Your foaming at the mouth rage is misguided. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab-...gs-of-ben-howland--tubby-smith-000403175.html

Tim Brando ‏@TimBrando 2h
@RealJasonMoonen @GoodmanCBS feels the same way. I respect those guys but I disagree with both on these firings. I spoke to Jeff today.

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 1h
@TimBrando Sorry, but this is a results business. His failures were clear. None of which had anything to do with inadequate facilities.

Tim Brando ‏@TimBrando 1h
@RealJasonMoonen the business is what it is, but the inability of schools and fans to see their issues from the inside out amazes me.Too bad

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 1h
@TimBrando So what you're saying is, just board the operation up?

Tim Brando ‏@TimBrando 1h
@RealJasonMoonen not at all. You don't have a chip, it's more like a Boulder on your Shoulder! Get over it. Think you can do better? Great.

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 1h
@TimBrando Get over what? The President and the AD apparently agree with me. #IWin

Tim BrandoVerified account ‏@TimBrando 1h
@RealJasonMoonen of Minnesota. You have win what? Or when? And wasn't it vacated? Please. Enough.

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 59m
@TimBrando What are you talking about? So I shouldn't expect more because the school is Minnesota. If that's the case why even....

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 58m
@TimBrando ......have a sports program at this school. Why have sports at all in a lot of universities in this country?......

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 57m
@TimBrando You are acting like this program doesn't have anything to compete at a national level. Again, why can't i expect more.
 

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS 1h
I'm so with Forde on this one. RT @YahooForde: Why I'm not feeling the outrage over firings of Howland and Tubby: http://yhoo.it/YEcY3e

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 1h
@GoodmanCBS @YahooForde It appears, @TimBrando is more than a little bent out of shape about it.

Tim Brando ‏@TimBrando 1h
@RealJasonMoonen Gee if the President and AD agree with you then what the HELL was anyone else thinking? I can't believe I doubted the move!

Jason Moonen ‏@RealJasonMoonen 56m
@TimBrando What "anyone else"? You are still the only one barking like a rabid dog about this firing.
 

That is the basis for much of the media scrutiny. They don't think we can do any better. If that is all they got, well, I can't take them seriously.
 

Wow, this is quite the conversation they're having. Thanks for posting!

Go Gophers!!
 



Okay, so finally posted the whole thing. Let's just say we had a long battle. He seems to have run away. The common theme of this whole back and forth seems to be that because we are Minnesota we should be thankful for 20 wins and a tourney appearance. We will never get anyone better than Tubby according to him.
 

I disagree with the firing but I'm not going to complain about until the new coach is named. If it's some assistant from a school like Butler I'm done with Teague. If its a big name I'll be excited for the future of the basketball program.
 

Very interesting conversation. I thought Brando started out making a solid point which was essentially "All these schools talk about doing things the right way, but then they go out and fire a guy who was doing it the right way". I think his points fell off drastically after the initial tweet, but respect him taking the time to debate/argue with you over Twitter. I also respect him for apparently not just standing up for Tubby on air, but taking to Twitter to do the same for him (and Howland I assume as he's not just talking about Minnesota). Most of these announcers just pander to the coaches because it makes their job easier, Brando seems to have conviction in these cases.
 

The national media is right. We should never expect anything good to happen here. We're clearly a bottom rung program that should just be happy with any coach who would willingly set foot in our state. We'll never be able to compete with powerhouses like LaSalle or Florida Gulf Coast.
 



Maroon Shower said:
The national media is right. We should never expect anything good to happen here. We're clearly a bottom rung program that should just be happy with any coach who would willingly set foot in our state. We'll never be able to compete with powerhouses like LaSalle or Florida Gulf Coast.
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It's amazing how they think the Twin Cities is a mom and pop shop. I'm fine with it but do these guys ever think out of their insular- in this case SEC- bubbles?
 

EG#9 said:
Very interesting conversation. I thought Brando started out making a solid point which was essentially "All these schools talk about doing things the right way, but then they go out and fire a guy who was doing it the right way". I think his points fell off drastically after the initial tweet, but respect him taking the time to debate/argue with you over Twitter. I also respect him for apparently not just standing up for Tubby on air, but taking to Twitter to do the same for him (and Howland I assume as he's not just talking about Minnesota). Most of these announcers just pander to the coaches because it makes their job easier, Brando seems to have conviction in these cases.
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I couldn't disagree more. I thought he came off sounding arrogant and insulted the 'fans' from his first tweet. We don't get it and when he's given facts he makes crap up about the Gophers needing to hire a search firm.
 

For those that think we can't do any better, I hope we land the big fish (Shaka) and prove them all wrong with a change in attitude, recruiting and wins.
 

Brando is mad because Tubby is a nice guy and Minnesota should be just thrilled that he had the good graces to bless us with his presence. After all, it's just Minnesota after all.

Then when facts started getting presented, he had no coherent response. In other words, Brando doesn't have a clue what he's talking about as it pertains to Minnesota basketball. In fact, for all his railing about it, he didn't even listen to the press conference obviously.

Like most critics, he watches two NCAA Tournament games and he thinks he knows what's really going on with the basketball program as a result.

Just another example of a media personality being high and mighty about something they really don't know anything about.
 


I think there is a flaw in all the Tubby firing angst. If the national media types are correct and we can do no better than one tournament win in six years, and never competing for the conference title, then we should not be paying our coach what Tubby was making. We could easily duplicate those results at half the price. The firing was a good move whether you are bullish or bearish on the Gopher program.
 

Gopher4life15 said:
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Yikes, and that's coming from a Northwestern grad. What's the old saying, people in glass houses sink ships? We need to land Shaka now. Anyone else and these guys will puff up their chests with their "I told you so's." I agree that Tubby seems like a genuinely great person. But that doesn't give him a pass for constantly under performing. If a snap shot was taken of his time here, he's not even close to a HOF coach. We were basically paying him for what he did at Kentucky, not what he was doing here. These ignorant national media types have sent my blood pressure through the roof. If we land Shaka, I bet dollars to donuts that the national media will down play it as a non story, or look to point out Shaka's weaknesses. This Jay Bilas, is what should actually make you sick. Take your cronyism and shove it
 

GopherHomer said:
I think there is a flaw in all the Tubby firing angst. If the national media types are correct and we can do no better than one tournament win in six years, and never competing for the conference title, then we should not be paying our coach what Tubby was making. We could easily duplicate those results at half the price. The firing was a good move whether you are bullish or bearish on the Gopher program.
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That's exactly it.
 

What's ultimately lost here is the point that everybody dances around, but nobody wants to answer directly. Should Minnesota simply accept being mediocre? The national media tries to avoid answering this question by pointing out everything wrong with Minnesota. "The building is old", "no practice facility", "Tubby Smith is simply awesome" and the always popular "it's too cold up there" are the most used rejoinders. Others go with the "Tubby Smith is mediocre, but so what? It's only Minnesota after all."

But the point they all want to make, without making it so-to-speak, is that Minnesota is mediocre and should be pleased as punch to be so. Doesn't matter to them either way, but they're more than happy with Minnesota being mediocre. Ask this question directly and you get folks like Tim Brando running backwards like their butt is on fire. Same thing with the Michael Wilbon's and the Jay Bilas' of the world. They couldn't care less. They simply thumb their noses at us simple folk for apparently thinking "we're high and mighty." Of course, this isn't true. But that's their viewpoint regardless of how they try to spin it.

It's an interesting tap dance to say the least, but at the end of the day, folks who actually are close to this program know the problems Tubby created while he was here. My suggestion: Email or call one of them, ask them if Minnesota should just straight up accept mediocrity in perpetuity and see what they say. I'd be willing to be most of them would try to dance around like they were at a night club. But at least that's an honest approach. If they say yes, then they're dinks, but at least they'd be willing to admit their dinks.
 

MRJ said:
What's ultimately lost here is the point that everybody dances around, but nobody wants to answer directly. Should Minnesota simply accept being mediocre? The national media tries to avoid answering this question by pointing out everything wrong with Minnesota. "The building is old", "no practice facility", "Tubby Smith is simply awesome" and the always popular "it's too cold up there" are the most used rejoinders. Others go with the "Tubby Smith is mediocre, but so what? It's only Minnesota after all."

But the point they all want to make, without making it so-to-speak, is that Minnesota is mediocre and should be pleased as punch to be so. Doesn't matter to them either way, but they're more than happy with Minnesota being mediocre. Ask this question directly and you get folks like Tim Brando running backwards like their butt is on fire. Same thing with the Michael Wilbon's and the Jay Bilas' of the world. They couldn't care less. They simply thumb their noses at us simple folk for apparently thinking "we're high and mighty." Of course, this isn't true. But that's their viewpoint regardless of how they try to spin it.

It's an interesting tap dance to say the least, but at the end of the day, folks who actually are close to this program know the problems Tubby created while he was here. My suggestion: Email or call one of them, ask them if Minnesota should just straight up accept mediocrity in perpetuity and see what they say. I'd be willing to be most of them would try to dance around like they were at a night club. But at least that's an honest approach. If they say yes, then they're dinks, but at least they'd be willing to admit their dinks.
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Well said. If I had hit a level of Souhan/Reusse irritation, I probably would call/email one of these 'experts'.

More than anything, these national media types love the narrative this story provides, that being: "Mediocre Basketball Program Fires Legendary Coach! Why?!? Outrageous!"
It plays well on the national stage, and people who don't follow the program closely will eat it up. So what. As long as we, the program supporters and boosters are at ease with the risk taken here (and I think that risk is minimal, given Tubby's results over 6 years), then I'm satisfied in the short term.
 


Johnnyboy18 said:
I disagree with the firing but I'm not going to complain about until the new coach is named. If it's some assistant from a school like Butler I'm done with Teague. If its a big name I'll be excited for the future of the basketball program.
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Please let it be an assistant, please let it be an assistant...
 





GopherHomer said:
I think there is a flaw in all the Tubby firing angst. If the national media types are correct and we can do no better than one tournament win in six years, and never competing for the conference title, then we should not be paying our coach what Tubby was making. We could easily duplicate those results at half the price. The firing was a good move whether you are bullish or bearish on the Gopher program.
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Hadn't seen this before, but you are exactly right. You do not pay coaches $2 mil a year, regardless of facilities, to go 8-10 in your "best" year. I get it, he's a big name, but what's the point of a big name if you aren't gonna reap the benefits of a +.500 conference record under their leadership.

Now don't get me wrong, loved Tubby. I would have been happy if he stayed with some staff changes, I think people are overestimating how bad we're supposedly gonna be next year. But all the incredulousness surrounding his firing I think is just off base, and is typically coming from those who only saw the ESPN games this year (when we beat ranked MSU, Wisconsin, and Indiana at home), and ignored the iffy basketball surrounding those games. If we had a team capable of those types of wins, how in the world can you justify not even finishing .500?

Tubby's a good coach, but he hasn't done a good enough coaching job within the conference, for whatever the reason. Something wasn't right, I don't know exactly what it was, but obviously Teague was not impressed and decided to move on. Hopefully he finds someone he can work with and get movement on this practice facility that we really need.
 

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