MV and Doogie

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Follow up question to MV if he reads this. Why are we still putting weight on Hageman? Why not keep his weight around 270, and keep some quickness? Why feed him until he has to move inside?
 

On the flipside, Glen Mason won eight games, had a win over rival Iowa, and finished in the AP Top-25 in his third year.
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Of course, only two of those wins were against teams that finished .500 in either the conference or overall (we beat four such squads last season), and Iowa was 1-10 that year. And the previous year, Iowa was 3-8. I don't think it's fair to compare Mason's work against the rivals to Brewster's when you consider the state of Wisconsin and Iowa football during Mason's first years and the state of those programs during Brewster's first years. It took Mason seven years to be a .500+ Becky or Iowa squad (Rhys Lloyd kick). Brewster hasn't even gotten to face an Iowa or Becky squad that was .500 or less.

That's why I think it's extremely important for Brewster to get a "landmark" win somewhere, cause those kinds of wins change perceptions about your team immediately. Suddenly the program will be regarded as "on the right track" and stuff like that.
 


Wisconsin was vulnerable last year, especially with the game at TCF... was a winnable game, and they ran the same John Clay play consecutively in the 2nd half.
In your mind then, should Brew's record vs. Iowa & Wisconsin just be completely dismissed because those programs are on a nice run right now? Should Mason apologize for filling the trophy cases at times? Almost any argument can produce a solid counter-argument. At some point, the record is what it is.
 

Doogie said:
Wisconsin was vulnerable last year, especially with the game at TCF... was a winnable game, and they ran the same John Clay play consecutively in the 2nd half.
In your mind then, should Brew's record vs. Iowa & Wisconsin just be completely dismissed because those programs are on a nice run right now? Should Mason apologize for filling the trophy cases at times? Almost any argument can produce a solid counter-argument. At some point, the record is what it is.
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I have to agree with this. Monty raises some good points, but the fact is that we should have beaten Wisconsin either in '08 on the road (when Brew took the foot off the gas to end the first half for some reason) or last season at home.
 

Section2 said:
Follow up question to MV if he reads this. Why are we still putting weight on Hageman? Why not keep his weight around 270, and keep some quickness? Why feed him until he has to move inside?
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Shede came in around 265. If you look at him he doesn't even look 300lbs. The kid's frame is rediculous and he's already the strongest DL on the team. I doubt he's lost a ton of quickness just due to how lean he still is. Really I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up at like 320lbs of pure beastlyness
 

One Additional Question

I have only heard this aluded to but nothing contrecte: Theret and Tinsley's punishments, will they both start on Thursday? I believe Brewster has stated that Tinsley has been punished enough (I think) but haven't heard much about Theret. Anybody know?
 



Monty519 does raise some valid points... but maybe that '99 Iowa team wasn't as bad as their record indicates (4 losses by 7 points or less)... it's an argument I've read on here, not from Monty, that the '07 Brew team wasn't as bad as 1-11 indicates because of the closes losses... I just don't think we can gloss over Mason's accomplishments in his 3rd year, namely the Iowa win, because Iowa might've been down a bit.
 

I guess I should make it clear that it doesn't excuse the 0-fer record Brewster has put up. He had grand opportunities to make something happen, especially against Becky in each season. 55-0 should have NEVER, EVER come close to happening, they were an 8 win team, we had won 7, and were at home. No excuses there. And in the Becky games we have led all three of those games at one point. He's gotta finish one of them at least. I only made that point to indicate that it's not quite so cut and dry to say "Well Glen Mason did it" and not at least acknowledge that the Iowa team he beat was not of very good quality. Beating Penn State though, is what made that season in my mind, not beating Iowa.

And while I would never argue a 1-10 (or 1-11) team is better than their record, it is typically the case that a team losing that many games will have a grouping of close losses that could have turned them into, say, a 4 win team. I think it's rare when a team is just THAT bad and gets killed every week.
 

oleboy41 said:
Shede came in around 265. If you look at him he doesn't even look 300lbs. The kid's frame is rediculous and he's already the strongest DL on the team. I doubt he's lost a ton of quickness just due to how lean he still is. Really I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up at like 320lbs of pure beastlyness
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Yeah, that kid is a bonafide freak. He is real cut considering his size, it's scary how he just popped that muscle on like that. It's scary to think what he might be capable of from the physical standpoint.
 

go4rob said:
I have only heard this aluded to but nothing contrecte: Theret and Tinsley's punishments, will they both start on Thursday? I believe Brewster has stated that Tinsley has been punished enough (I think) but haven't heard much about Theret. Anybody know?
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I think the punishments have been meted out. Theret was at the Kick-Off Luncheon. They weren't allow to participate in Spring Game or Fall Scrimmage. Theret might get a little extra boot because he is a family friend and Brew probably expected more from him.
 



Doogie said:
Wisconsin was vulnerable last year, especially with the game at TCF... was a winnable game, and they ran the same John Clay play consecutively in the 2nd half.
In your mind then, should Brew's record vs. Iowa & Wisconsin just be completely dismissed because those programs are on a nice run right now? Should Mason apologize for filling the trophy cases at times? Almost any argument can produce a solid counter-argument. At some point, the record is what it is.
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hey doogie, do you think mv was annoyed with you the same way brew was annoyed with fuller???

Doogie-"The player most under-the-radar that will have a productive season is ..."


MH: Eric Lair. Most of the media attention centers on the offensive line, the running game and who'll step up to replace Eric Decker in the receiving core. Most fans don't realize this, but a Minnesota TE has caught at least 35 passes each of the last two seasons and Jack Simmons logged 20 catches back in 2007 after Decker and Ernie Wheelwright caught over 66 passes each. Adam Weber really likes to use his TEs, especially up the seam, so I fully expect Lair to have a breakout year.

4 questions later....

We have seen that Weber likes to throw to the tight end. With Tow-Arnett gone, who will be the leading TE?

MH: As I stated above, Lair will be the leading TE this season.


im sorry but that was awesome!!!
 

lakesgopher said:
hey doogie, do you think mv was annoyed with you the same way brew was annoyed with fuller???

Doogie-"The player most under-the-radar that will have a productive season is ..."


MH: Eric Lair. Most of the media attention centers on the offensive line, the running game and who'll step up to replace Eric Decker in the receiving core. Most fans don't realize this, but a Minnesota TE has caught at least 35 passes each of the last two seasons and Jack Simmons logged 20 catches back in 2007 after Decker and Ernie Wheelwright caught over 66 passes each. Adam Weber really likes to use his TEs, especially up the seam, so I fully expect Lair to have a breakout year.

4 questions later....

We have seen that Weber likes to throw to the tight end. With Tow-Arnett gone, who will be the leading TE?

MH: As I stated above, Lair will be the leading TE this season.


im sorry but that was awesome!!!
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It was most likely a pre-written set of questions that was e-mailed to MV.
 

Yep, I'm pretty sure that's how Doogie's done all of these Q&As, it's just hard to get time from someone to do a live one. So obviously he couldn't know he was gonna answer Lair to the under the radar player question.
 

Unregistered User said:
It was most likely a pre-written set of questions that was e-mailed to MV.
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Si!

To answer the ? about Hageman and why the staff keeps bulking him up, that's more a reflection on how Shede has responded to the S&C program than Coach Hill pumping him up. The staff envisions him as a power rush DE, so they want him at a weight and strength level where he can physically overpower RTs. I still think he'll end up a DT in the end, since it's possible that he'll end up in the 310-315 range and that's just unheard of size for a DE (Mario Williams for comparisons sake is 6'6", 285 and Richard Seymour is the closet in height/weight @ 6'6", 310 lbs.)
 

Doogie said:
Wisconsin was vulnerable last year, especially with the game at TCF... was a winnable game, and they ran the same John Clay play consecutively in the 2nd half.
In your mind then, should Brew's record vs. Iowa & Wisconsin just be completely dismissed because those programs are on a nice run right now? Should Mason apologize for filling the trophy cases at times? Almost any argument can produce a solid counter-argument. At some point, the record is what it is.
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Wisconsin was vulnerable because we played them in a close game but that was about as good of a Sconny team as there has been in years.

As far as Mason, I agree his record is what it is. However, it is extremely naive to rank Mason's victories over Iowa in the same manner that we would rank a win against Iowa the past couple years. The program is simply in a much better place. It would be like if we ranked our recent success against Purdue the same as beating up on Drew Brees Boilermaker teams.
 

oleboy41 said:
Shede came in around 265. If you look at him he doesn't even look 300lbs. The kid's frame is rediculous and he's already the strongest DL on the team. I doubt he's lost a ton of quickness just due to how lean he still is. Really I wouldn't be shocked if he ended up at like 320lbs of pure beastlyness
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ok, but why? You're telling me that he's the same speed at 320 as 280? I don't believe it. Unless we are going to a 3-4, he would benefit from some extra quickness and leanness to get around the edge. Adds a whole different dimension to his pass rush if they are worried about getting beat on the edge. At 320 he will power rush and hold the point.
 

Section2 said:
ok, but why? You're telling me that he's the same speed at 320 as 280? I don't believe it. Unless we are going to a 3-4, he would benefit from some extra quickness and leanness to get around the edge. Adds a whole different dimension to his pass rush if they are worried about getting beat on the edge. At 320 he will power rush and hold the point.
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Why what? You make it sound like they are "fattening him up". He is a lean 300 and supposedly runs a 4.7 40 (for comparison, last I heard Garin ran a 4.6 40). If his natural size is 300+, so be it.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Wisconsin was vulnerable because we played them in a close game but that was about as good of a Sconny team as there has been in years.

As far as Mason, I agree his record is what it is. However, it is extremely naive to rank Mason's victories over Iowa in the same manner that we would rank a win against Iowa the past couple years. The program is simply in a much better place. It would be like if we ranked our recent success against Purdue the same as beating up on Drew Brees Boilermaker teams.
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Exactly... that's why any debate on this topic is not black-and-white.
 

harrys ghost said:
Why what? You make it sound like they are "fattening him up". He is a lean 300 and supposedly runs a 4.7 40 (for comparison, last I heard Garin ran a 4.6 40). If his natural size is 300+, so be it.
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I'll just add that sometimes there isn't much they can do to prevent him from gaining weight. They can't tell him to stop lifting weights and stop eating. He's at that age where teenagers become men.
 

Section2 said:
ok, but why? You're telling me that he's the same speed at 320 as 280? I don't believe it. Unless we are going to a 3-4, he would benefit from some extra quickness and leanness to get around the edge. Adds a whole different dimension to his pass rush if they are worried about getting beat on the edge. At 320 he will power rush and hold the point.
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Well, I don't think he'd ever be the ultra quick Dwight Freeney type of DE. You have to do a cost-benefit on a player. If Hageman can legitimately hold 315 lbs and only lose marginal amounts of speed (in comparison to a ton of added strength), then it is absolutely worth it. If he isn't that much stronger and his bulk simply slows him down, then yes, it's a bad idea.

But from seeing him and from all accounts i've heard about Hageman, the weight that he is adding is "good weight" and he probably has a lower % body fat than last year.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I'll just add that sometimes there isn't much they can do to prevent him from gaining weight. They can't tell him to stop lifting weights and stop eating. He's at that age where teenagers become men.
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You are right, there is no way that he can stay at 270. My mistake.
 


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