Most disappointing season since 2001-2002?

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I'd have to say so. Even with the injuries, we're better than this. 4 straight home losses? I never thought I'd see that. Very disappointing. We can still salvage it. But we need 4 more wins to get in and one of them will be OSU/Purdue or Bucky. I don't see it happening.
 

We win the last two and one in the BT tourney, I still think we have a chance (pretty weak bubble). But yes, it cannot get much more disappointing than this.
 

I am not sure if this year or last was more disappointing. We were all so jacked for a tournament team to add Trevor, Royce and company and we added none of the above and ended up with a similar season to Tubby's second year. The perfomances on the court have been harder to watch this year, so I think this year gets the nod. I do disagree with you that there is any chance that the Gophers salvage their season now. You lose home games like this and says a lot about the entire program, and part of what it says is that it can't be fixed during the season.
 

EG#9 said:
I am not sure if this year or last was more disappointing. We were all so jacked for a tournament team to add Trevor, Royce and company and we added none of the above and ended up with a similar season to Tubby's second year. The perfomances on the court have been harder to watch this year, so I think this year gets the nod. I do disagree with you that there is any chance that the Gophers salvage their season now. You lose home games like this and says a lot about the entire program, and part of what it says is that it can't be fixed during the season.
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Good point about last year. I guess from beginning to end, you can say last year was worse. But it sort of had stages. Huge expectations. Frustrating off court BS and on-court struggles, then nice run to close it. This has just been the slow ripping off of a band-aid.
 

I thought Tubby would bring stability and some sort of consistent level of above-average play. I was wrong. That was a hot mess out there today once again.

Since this the year I realized Tubby is just an average coach at best with many, many faults, I'd say this year is very disappointing compared to most.
 


Pewterschmidt said:
I thought Tubby would bring stability and some sort of consistent level of above-average play. I was wrong. That was a hot mess out there today once again.

Since this the year I realized Tubby is just an average coach at best with many, many faults, I'd say this year is very disappointing compared to most.
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I'm starting to see in Tubby 2011 about what we saw in Bob Knight about 2005. A great coach who's slipping a bit and too stubborn to change and not really interested in doing so. It's not really a good thing.
 

Was 01-02 with Rickert and Holman? I cant remember...

Regardless this has been a sad, sad year. I am not surprised given the losses the team has sustained. Take away 3 of the top 9 players, and probably 2 of the top 4, and there just is not the quaility depth to compete. Not having a decent PG is just killing the team.

I dont blame Tubby for injuries, but I think he has to share some blame for transfers and for not having more quality depth. But I do think most teams that lose their leading returning scorer (I think) and starting PG would struggle. Not all teams, but most of them.
 

howeda7 said:
Good point about last year. I guess from beginning to end, you can say last year was worse. But it sort of had stages. Huge expectations. Frustrating off court BS and on-court struggles, then nice run to close it. This has just been the slow ripping off of a band-aid.
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I'd say this year is worse,maybe the worst since I have been ardently following Gopher BB(since the mid 60's). Last year we never had the players we hoped to have. This year we had them and lost them. The sad part is there has been no one to pick up the slack. Name me one frosh player that has had any kind of an impact in the last four years, other than Hoff(Monson recruit).

Hard to lose players like Al and Devoe, but there should be someone on the roster that can deliver more than what we are getting. The frosh we have may well be solid contributers in years to follow, but they are totaly overmatched at this point. Hardaway Jr?, we have no one like that. This team has no shooters(with hoff playing pg) and zero good ball handlers. Why? Why should we expect all our frosh to be red-shirted? Why don't we have frosh that can contribute now?

To those that know me, I am kind of like Sid, support the coach. I'm not saying Tubby should be fired, but the honeymoon is over. There are too many questions about this program, starting with a coach calling out players in the press. If you can't make your point by calling out players in practice or in the locker room you have other problems.

Shoot away at me if you like, but those are my thoughts.

Trying to objective, not negative. Sorry.
 

station19 solid post. recruiting my biggest question mark with Tubby. not one impact freshman has been recruited.
 



Colossal

Colossal disappointment.

I see 6 and 12 looming.

Colossal disappointment.
 

gopherbadgerman said:
Was 01-02 with Rickert and Holman? I cant remember...

Regardless this has been a sad, sad year. I am not surprised given the losses the team has sustained. Take away 3 of the top 9 players, and probably 2 of the top 4, and there just is not the quaility depth to compete. Not having a decent PG is just killing the team.

I dont blame Tubby for injuries, but I think he has to share some blame for transfers and for not having more quality depth. But I do think most teams that lose their leading returning scorer (I think) and starting PG would struggle. Not all teams, but most of them.
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I think at the beginning of the year, we did have quality depth though. We came into the season with 6 guys who played significant minutes for us last year: Hoffarber, Nolen, Joseph, Williams, Iverson, and Sampson. Throw in Mbakwe and you have 7 guys you knew could provide solid minutes for us. I know Iverson and Williams have been a disappointment, but they are at least guys with experience.

Not trying to take blame away from Tubby as I do think he deserves some of the blame for the downfall this year (I can't stand the lineup with Mbakwe, Sampson, and Iverson), but I don't think depth is one of them.
 

Look at it this way. 30 days ago, this team was a 4, 5, or 6 seed. Now they're out of the tourney. Epic freefall.
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Look at it this way. 30 days ago, this team was a 4, 5, or 6 seed. Now they're out of the tourney. Epic freefall.
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With the loss of Nolen and Joseph the fall was to be expected. But to fall this far, that is the question.
 



For Me, last year was much more disappointing. My expectations were sky high and then the suspensions came and dashed all hopes. This year I expected nothing and they delivered it.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I think at the beginning of the year, we did have quality depth though. We came into the season with 6 guys who played significant minutes for us last year: Hoffarber, Nolen, Joseph, Williams, Iverson, and Sampson. Throw in Mbakwe and you have 7 guys you knew could provide solid minutes for us. I know Iverson and Williams have been a disappointment, but they are at least guys with experience.

Not trying to take blame away from Tubby as I do think he deserves some of the blame for the downfall this year (I can't stand the lineup with Mbakwe, Sampson, and Iverson), but I don't think depth is one of them.
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Fair enough. Having the frosh be the 8th-11th men instead of the 5th thru 8th men is a big difference...
 

Breakin' The Plane said:
Look at it this way. 30 days ago, this team was a 4, 5, or 6 seed. Now they're out of the tourney. Epic freefall.
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The thing is that even if we made the NCAA we weren't going anywhere without Al at full strength. This team isn't bad, its broken. Some of this "epic freefall" is just being taken far to seriously. Andy Katz said it's a shame MN wasn't at full strength this year, because they had a chance to compete for a big ten title. That was our potential. If we had say gone 9-9 this year and lost in the first round would we really feel much better?
 

Purdue isn't at full strength and they are damn good. Green Bay? Yeah, they overcame losses. It is about depth, stepping up to fill a void and overcoming adversity.
 

EG#9 said:
I am not sure if this year or last was more disappointing. We were all so jacked for a tournament team to add Trevor, Royce and company and we added none of the above and ended up with a similar season to Tubby's second year. The perfomances on the court have been harder to watch this year, so I think this year gets the nod. I do disagree with you that there is any chance that the Gophers salvage their season now. You lose home games like this and says a lot about the entire program, and part of what it says is that it can't be fixed during the season.
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Last year, no question. Gophers could easily have had 25 or 26 W in 2010.

This year, injuries and a transfer contributed greatly to the struggles of the team.
 


Breakin' The Plane said:
Purdue isn't at full strength and they are damn good. Green Bay? Yeah, they overcame losses. It is about depth, stepping up to fill a void and overcoming adversity.
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Boilers have 11 healthy players. 1 injured and 1 redshirt sitting out.

They have 2 potential A-A (certainly All-B10) players in Johnson and Moore.
 


After tonight's loss I was in a Minnesota sports depression. Not feeling positive about any of my beloved teams (spring training should bring renewed optimism about the Twins but it will likely end in another first round playoff exit so why get my hopes up again). I needed something to pick me up a bit so I found the Minnesota vs Georgia game from the 2002-2003 season on demand on Big Ten Network's Greatest Games. It was fun to see an almost all Minnesota line-up with Bauer, Rickert, Hargrow, Johnson, Holman, Hagen and Burleson (Seattle). Bauer got the win with a three (foot was on the line) at the buzzer and jubilation ensued. Just what my Maroon and Gold heart needed to keep beating. If good memories can be built with Monson and a bunch of Minnesotans then I will continue to have hope.
 

station19 said:
I'd say this year is worse,maybe the worst since I have been ardently following Gopher BB(since the mid 60's). Last year we never had the players we hoped to have. This year we had them and lost them. The sad part is there has been no one to pick up the slack. Name me one frosh player that has had any kind of an impact in the last four years, other than Hoff(Monson recruit).

Hard to lose players like Al and Devoe, but there should be someone on the roster that can deliver more than what we are getting. The frosh we have may well be solid contributers in years to follow, but they are totaly overmatched at this point. Hardaway Jr?, we have no one like that. This team has no shooters(with hoff playing pg) and zero good ball handlers. Why? Why should we expect all our frosh to be red-shirted? Why don't we have frosh that can contribute now?

To those that know me, I am kind of like Sid, support the coach. I'm not saying Tubby should be fired, but the honeymoon is over. There are too many questions about this program, starting with a coach calling out players in the press. If you can't make your point by calling out players in practice or in the locker room you have other problems.

Shoot away at me if you like, but those are my thoughts.

Trying to objective, not negative. Sorry.
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+1 station.
these games are too predictable.. WE NEVER STOP THE OTHER TEAMS STRENGTHS.. ESP AT THE END:
you know penn state goes to Battle, sparty gets run-outs and 3's, morris gets in deep.. YOU KNOW ITS COMING AT THE 4:00 MARK.. but powerless to stop it..

meanwhile, the goofers play keep-away... not wanting to be the goat.. forcing everything back to Hoff, missing front-ends, no easy baskets, no set plays that actually work.

no killer instinct. no passion. Williams gets punked 2nite, trevor gets body blocked against MSU and tubby yawns?

the players now know tubby does not have their backs.. on or off the floor. the guys have mentally checked out.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Last year, no question. Gophers could easily have had 25 or 26 W in 2010.

This year, injuries and a transfer contributed greatly to the struggles of the team.
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Stop with the excuses. Stop it.

OTS hasnt done squat in MN yet, after nearly 4 full years.
 


Friend Of Tubby said:
This year's team was 16-4 and ranked in Top 15 a month ago. Then Nolen got hurt again.
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Was.

A month ago.


1-7 last 8 games.

There is more talent on the team than 1-7, 6-10 in conference.

No backup pg. THAT is on tubby.
 

BarnBurner said:
Was.

A month ago.

1-7 last 8 games.

There is more talent on the team than 1-7, 6-10 in conference.

No backup pg. THAT is on tubby.
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Actually the back-up PG (Devoe Joseph) quit in mid-season based on advice of his AAU coach.

My point is that this team was playing well until Nolen got hurt again. Facts bear that out.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Actually the back-up PG (Devoe Joseph) quit in mid-season based on advice of his AAU coach.

My point is that this team was playing well until Nolen got hurt again. Facts bear that out.
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Fact - tubby is 1-7 last 8 games.

Fact - team is 6-10 in the conference.

Fact - piss poor.

Fact - tubby still blames the kids, and holds self harmless.
 

howeda7 said:
I'd have to say so. Even with the injuries, we're better than this. 4 straight home losses? I never thought I'd see that. Very disappointing. We can still salvage it. But we need 4 more wins to get in and one of them will be OSU/Purdue or Bucky. I don't see it happening.
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I kind of compare it to the 2005-2006 team. I felt that team was decent, they just didn't have the post presense they needed. I always felt that Tollackson played out of position, he was a power forward playing center. Monson had recruited the kid from North as a Juco that got into trouble before school started.

I think with the injury to Nolen you have the same situation with this team. They just don't have a pg and it has killed them.
 

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