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I live out in Colorado but I'm a true gopher fan. I was just wondering the state of high school hoops for the next couple of years. Who are the players to watch? Who are the gophers looking at locally? Any information would be appreciated.
 

I live out in Colorado but I'm a true gopher fan. I was just wondering the state of high school hoops for the next couple of years. Who are the players to watch? Who are the gophers looking at locally? Any information would be appreciated.

Cole Stefan, Minnetonka, senior
Great shooter with decent athletic ability. High-major recruit probably going to Auburn. Minnesota has no interest despite the fact he's a good/great shooter.
DJ Peterson, Hopkins, senior
Long, athletic 6-6 small forward with well above average athletic ability. Left-handed shooter with decent range, but is more of a slasher. Mid-major recruit, but has received an offer from Baylor.
Jordan Smith, Orono, junior
Lights-out shooter and scoring machine at the PG position. Does not play against the toughest competition, but comes from the same HS as Wisconsin's Jon Leuer. Pretty skinny, but he stands 6-2. He does not have an official offer, but has interest from several Big Ten teams. I doubt the Gophers will ink him, despite the fact he can shoot the lights out.
Marvin Singleton, Hopkins, junior
Physically strong for his age. Plays power forward, but stands only 6-4. He might have to change positions before college. As a sophomore, he came off the bench for the state champs and was a reliable scorer. He might have been the second strongest (physically) player on the team behind Royce White. Again, Minnesota is not expressing very much interest, but who knows. Singleton will play Division I basketball.
Joe Coleman, Hopkins, junior
Stands 6-3/6-4 and is well-built with good athletic ability. Like Singleton, he's a little out of position, but plans on moving to shooting guard this season. Brother of former Gopher Dan Coleman. His outside shot is a work in progress, but he's a fast learner. He's a mid-major guy in my opinion.
 

I believe there is a lot of mutual interest between the Gophers and Ross Travis of Chaska. Ross is a top 150 player in the class of 2011 according to Rivals.com
 

I have not seen Ross play, but he has interest from North Dakota State, Santa Clara and Air Force. That's not exactly an attractive lift of schools.
However, Tubby is looking for his "type" of player. It's a little frustrating on the surface to see no 4/5-star talent with legit interest in the program from the 2010 and 2011 classes, but it makes sense. Minnesota is not at the elite level in the Big Ten yet and simply cannot compete with Ohio State, Michigan State and Purdue on the recruiting trail. Maybe some day. I am happy with the progress though. Tubby had no idea Royce was going to act the way he did and Williams has the raw talent and athletic ability to be a great player someday.
 

I could be wrong, but I think we're going to see a rather sharp step down in terms of the quality of high school basketball teams and star power from these teams this year. These players listed above don't stack up nearly as well as last year's crop, and there are not nearly as many of them.

Having said that, I think it's going to open up the possibility of some teams competing for a championship this year that nobody sees coming. The Hopkins' and Henry Sibley's of the area are still going to be there, but other teams are going to be able to play with them much more easily this year. It wouldn't surprise me to see a similar scenario as a few years ago, when we had a surprise championship game in 4A with Robbinsdale Armstrong and Buffalo. Overall, I think that's good for the game, but there's definitely not the star power from a year ago.
 


Two more players to keep an eye on are Riley Dearring and Siyani Chambers from Hopkins.
 

I could be wrong, but I think we're going to see a rather sharp step down in terms of the quality of high school basketball teams and star power from these teams this year. These players listed above don't stack up nearly as well as last year's crop, and there are not nearly as many of them.

Having said that, I think it's going to open up the possibility of some teams competing for a championship this year that nobody sees coming. The Hopkins' and Henry Sibley's of the area are still going to be there, but other teams are going to be able to play with them much more easily this year. It wouldn't surprise me to see a similar scenario as a few years ago, when we had a surprise championship game in 4A with Robbinsdale Armstrong and Buffalo. Overall, I think that's good for the game, but there's definitely not the star power from a year ago.

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After Rodney Williams and Royce White in the 2009 class, the state of Minnesota seems very thin on talent. Not one single player in the top 150 for 2010 and only one thus far in 2011.
 

I have not seen Ross play, but he has interest from North Dakota State, Santa Clara and Air Force. That's not exactly an attractive lift of schools.
However, Tubby is looking for his "type" of player. It's a little frustrating on the surface to see no 4/5-star talent with legit interest in the program from the 2010 and 2011 classes, but it makes sense. Minnesota is not at the elite level in the Big Ten yet and simply cannot compete with Ohio State, Michigan State and Purdue on the recruiting trail. Maybe some day. I am happy with the progress though. Tubby had no idea Royce was going to act the way he did and Williams has the raw talent and athletic ability to be a great player someday.

So by your logic if a D2 team happened to offer Michael Gilchrist(number one player in the class of 2011), which he has no control over, that would automatically make him less of a prospect? Ross also has interest from Georgetown, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Oregon State, Purdue, Villanova, and Wisconsin. Pretty impressive list to me and he's only going to get more interest/offers. Why focus on the worst schools recruiting him and base his talent off of that? That makes no sense.
 

So by your logic if a D2 team happened to offer Michael Gilchrist(number one player in the class of 2011), which he has no control over, that would automatically make him less of a prospect? Ross also has interest from Georgetown, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Oregon State, Purdue, Villanova, and Wisconsin. Pretty impressive list to me and he's only going to get more interest/offers. Why focus on the worst schools recruiting him and base his talent off of that? That makes no sense.

I had no clue he had scholarship offers from those impressive schools.
 



Purdue has no interest in this Ross kid. I doubt there was ever any interest to begin with. With Lewis Jackson possibly taking a medical redshirt, Coach Painter is under a scholarship crunch - especially since he oversigned for 2010. Purdue has just one scholly left for 2011 and their eggs are in 4* and 5* baskets.
 


"Interest" is very different than actual bona fide offers...which I don't believe he has any from the aforementioned schools.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. BigGopherFan doesn't understand how recruiting works. First comes interest, then comes an offer, not the other way around. Just because he is being recruited by NDSU doesn't mean he's at their level. A player destined for a school like that would not have interest from the schools that Ross has. Best offers usually come the AAU season after junior year. It baffles me if you're frustrated that we're recruiting a hometown kid that could very well end up being a 4 star.
 

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. BigGopherFan doesn't understand how recruiting works. First comes interest, then comes an offer, not the other way around. Just because he is being recruited by NDSU doesn't mean he's at their level. A player destined for a school like that would not have interest from the schools that Ross has. Best offers usually come the AAU season after junior year. It baffles me if you're frustrated that we're recruiting a hometown kid that could very well end up being a 4 star.

Normally I would just ignore this, but I can't this time. You are wrong. I know quite a bit about recruiting and don't appreciate you saying that. I understand how the entire process goes and have worked closely with scouts in the past. I thought you were saying he had scholarships from all those big schools. If he has "Interest" from them, that could mean Ross was simply sent a generic letter in the mail informing him a school was evaluating his talents.
 



Normally I would just ignore this, but I can't this time. You are wrong. I know quite a bit about recruiting and don't appreciate you saying that. I understand how the entire process goes and have worked closely with scouts in the past. I thought you were saying he had scholarships from all those big schools. If he has "Interest" from them, that could mean Ross was simply sent a generic letter in the mail informing him a school was evaluating his talents.

Haven't you guys ever used Rivals? It takes two seconds and should be your first stop. There's an article about his offers and it lists him with offers from Iowa State, Oregon State, Rice, Santa Clara, Northern Iowa and North Dakota State. That's a good early list for the 2011 class.
 

Haven't you guys ever used Rivals? It takes two seconds and should be your first stop. There's an article about his offers and it lists him with offers from Iowa State, Oregon State, Rice, Santa Clara, Northern Iowa and North Dakota State. That's a good early list for the 2011 class.

Not really. It's an OK list but not good.

You may think it's early for 2011 kids but not really.
 

Haven't you guys ever used Rivals? It takes two seconds and should be your first stop. There's an article about his offers and it lists him with offers from Iowa State, Oregon State, Rice, Santa Clara, Northern Iowa and North Dakota State. That's a good early list for the 2011 class.

Except that Rivals (or Scout, for that matter) is notoriously inaccurate about offers to recruits.
 


Estan Tyler from St. Paul Johnson has an OFFER from the Gophers. He recieved it this past July. We have other great players in Mn. What are you looking at? Rivals is not the key to how good a player is. Its just HIPE!!
 

Estan Tyler from St. Paul Johnson has an OFFER from the Gophers. He recieved it this past July. We have other great players in Mn. What are you looking at? Rivals is not the key to how good a player is. Its just HIPE!!

Unless you're making a joke that I don't understand, it's "hype."

I agree with your point. The recruiting services merely serve to educate the public on whom they believe are good players. Coaches obviously make the final call.

I've heard almost nothing about D1 talent in the state in the upcoming classes, but, to be fair, I haven't really looked. I hope that there's some kids who are late risers.
 

thanks

Thanks for the information. It sounds like a couple of down years compared to this most recent season. I come back on occassion to watch the state tournament, I guess I should have come last year. Well hears to a suprise player or two emerging.
 

Except that Rivals (or Scout, for that matter) is notoriously inaccurate about offers to recruits.

I've been going to AAU national tournaments for years and it's laughable how ignored the MN players are generally treated by Rivals and the others. If I only got a $ for every time a MN kid scoffed after beating up on a supposedly-ranked kid from somewhere around the country. Part of that is probably due to the lack of strong local Rivals/Scout writers to push these kids into the national consciousness, part of it is due to the tendency of the local clubs and individuals to "eat their young" instead of supporting everyone in MN deserving of national ranking. Getting that big-time ranking is more often a function of the hype that the local coach can convince the lazy national ranker to believe over the phone, rather than individual evaluation It's easy to spot a White or Aldrich, but there are many, many others over the last few years that deserved ranking and didn't get it. (i.e. Noah Dahlman, Trent Lockett, Troy Bell). Numerous college scouts come to MN for precisely that reason, they aren't stupid, they know they can effectively use their time recruiting overlooked, underrecruited parts of the country. It's no secret that many teams in the NSIC, stocked by local and regional kids, could be playing "D-I" at many of the relatively weak mid-major conferences around the country and competing for the titles. The Gophs won't be able to get an immediate impact player from MN every year, but they can provide them with some high-IQ, high-fundamental, high-character, high-hustle kids on a yearly basis. I think that's a good balance in conjunction with a national recruiting reach for the studs to do the heavy lifting.
 

I've been going to AAU national tournaments for years and it's laughable how ignored the MN players are generally treated by Rivals and the others. If I only got a $ for every time a MN kid scoffed after beating up on a supposedly-ranked kid from somewhere around the country. Part of that is probably due to the lack of strong local Rivals/Scout writers to push these kids into the national consciousness, part of it is due to the tendency of the local clubs and individuals to "eat their young" instead of supporting everyone in MN deserving of national ranking. Getting that big-time ranking is more often a function of the hype that the local coach can convince the lazy national ranker to believe over the phone, rather than individual evaluation It's easy to spot a White or Aldrich, but there are many, many others over the last few years that deserved ranking and didn't get it. (i.e. Noah Dahlman, Trent Lockett, Troy Bell). Numerous college scouts come to MN for precisely that reason, they aren't stupid, they know they can effectively use their time recruiting overlooked, underrecruited parts of the country. It's no secret that many teams in the NSIC, stocked by local and regional kids, could be playing "D-I" at many of the relatively weak mid-major conferences around the country and competing for the titles. The Gophs won't be able to get an immediate impact player from MN every year, but they can provide them with some high-IQ, high-fundamental, high-character, high-hustle kids on a yearly basis. I think that's a good balance in conjunction with a national recruiting reach for the studs to do the heavy lifting.

Nice Post,
Been to a few summer events outside of the twin cities and everything you say is true.
 

Cole Stefan is a good/great shooter, not as good as Tucker, but up there.
DJ Peterson is nbot much on offense but very good defensively. Needs to add strength and confidence.
Can't see Marvin Singleton being a Division I player because he's too short and not aggressive enough for his size.
Joe Coleman has more potential than Marvin because he's more athletic.
Riley Dearring I think may develop but again he's not very tall and needs to fill out and get stronger.

Siyani Chambers has been on varsity since 8th grade but hasn't had much playing time so it's difficult to judge him at this stage. But he is confident and talented and has the most potential of anyone at this point.
 

I've been going to AAU national tournaments for years and it's laughable how ignored the MN players are generally treated by Rivals and the others. If I only got a $ for every time a MN kid scoffed after beating up on a supposedly-ranked kid from somewhere around the country. Part of that is probably due to the lack of strong local Rivals/Scout writers to push these kids into the national consciousness, part of it is due to the tendency of the local clubs and individuals to "eat their young" instead of supporting everyone in MN deserving of national ranking. Getting that big-time ranking is more often a function of the hype that the local coach can convince the lazy national ranker to believe over the phone, rather than individual evaluation It's easy to spot a White or Aldrich, but there are many, many others over the last few years that deserved ranking and didn't get it. (i.e. Noah Dahlman, Trent Lockett, Troy Bell). Numerous college scouts come to MN for precisely that reason, they aren't stupid, they know they can effectively use their time recruiting overlooked, underrecruited parts of the country. It's no secret that many teams in the NSIC, stocked by local and regional kids, could be playing "D-I" at many of the relatively weak mid-major conferences around the country and competing for the titles. The Gophs won't be able to get an immediate impact player from MN every year, but they can provide them with some high-IQ, high-fundamental, high-character, high-hustle kids on a yearly basis. I think that's a good balance in conjunction with a national recruiting reach for the studs to do the heavy lifting.

I 100 percent agree about the local talent heading to the NSIC. Look at the Concordia-St. Paul and Winona State rosters (amongst others).
 




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