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according to a guy on scout message board who says he access to players because he writes for a website.

Take it for what it's worth.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=176&f=1102&t=6962696

If true and if they can get Royston a medical red shirt I will feel way better about our secondary. We'll be set at tackle and deep at linebacker, so shoring up end and secondary is the priority. If Kill can find a Lamanzer Williams among the current crew of ends we might have a solid defense.
 

Good news, if it's true. We need guys with experience back there.
 


gophmeister said:
according to a guy on scout message board who says he access to players because he writes for a website.

Take it for what it's worth.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=176&f=1102&t=6962696

If true and if they can get Royston a medical red shirt I will feel way better about our secondary. We'll be set at tackle and deep at linebacker, so shoring up end and secondary is the priority. If Kill can find a Lamanzer Williams among the current crew of ends we might have a solid defense.
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Royston has used up all of his time.

Medical Redshirts are typically for guys who already redshirted that get injured later. Royston redshirted, but because he redshirted in his transfer year, it is unlikely the NCAA would like his case. Granting of a 6th year is so rare you might only hear of one a season in the NCAA.
 



Yeah, I can't see how Royston will be granted a 6th year of eligibility (he won't get a medical RS, he already used his RS). Everything I have seen on the eligibility for the a 6th year, there is no way. I hope i'm wrong.

But, I really hope it's true about M. Carter.
 

Kill seemed very positive about it on Sports Huddle. He was pessimistic about Kirkwood getting a medical red shirt. We'll have to see.
 





gophmeister said:
He failed to mention that. Would they attempt to get a medical red shirt for a player who did not want one?
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I don't know. It was stated on here that for a number of reasons (difficulty of getting a redshirt being one of them) that Royston's playing career was all but over at the U. I would also wonder what has changed with Kirkwood as it appeared from conversation on this bored that he qualified under the basic guidelines for a Medical redshirt which, from my understanding, is pretty much rubber stamped the first time as long as you fall within the guidelines.
 

gophmeister said:
He failed to mention that. Would they attempt to get a medical red shirt for a player who did not want one?
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It wouldn't be a medical RS. You can't get a medical RS when you have already used up your RS. You don't get two of them. Like, Rallis used a medical RS (in 2009) and he was able to do that because he hadn't played in many games AND he hadn't used his RS.

This would be applying for a 6th year of eligibility and I really don't think Royston will qualify for one and neither did Royston's dad. I hope the both of us are wrong and Kim is playing another season at the U.
 

Silvio said:
I don't know. It was stated on here that for a number of reasons (difficulty of getting a redshirt being one of them) that Royston's playing career was all but over at the U. I would also wonder what has changed with Kirkwood as it appeared from conversation on this bored that he qualified under the basic guidelines for a Medical redshirt which, from my understanding, is pretty much rubber stamped the first time as long as you fall within the guidelines.
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Yeah, I thought when I looked at it that Kirkwood would get a Medical RS. There is a mathematical formula for deciding on whether or not a player can use a medical waiver to use his RS on a season when he hasn't played a whole lot.

So I hope i'm wrong about Royston and right about Kirkwood.
 

There's a percentage of plays used to determine whether or not a person can be given a redshirt due to injury and if Kirkwood is below that number, he may get another year. But I don't know how that percentage is calculated.

On Royston, as I understand the rule (not very well), he probably would have had to have been out for part of last year to qualify for a sixth year in which to play a last season.
 



Hopefully this report turns out to be accurate, as we could sure use Michael Carter next season.
 

You'd think there'd be appeal for Carter, as doesn't Kill's defensive scheme lend to a lot of man coverage (I could be mistaken), something of which Carter was supposed to excel at when he came on? The zone schemes didn't seem to favor him.
 

Bob_Loblaw said:
Yeah, I can't see how Royston will be granted a 6th year of eligibility (he won't get a medical RS, he already used his RS). Everything I have seen on the eligibility for the a 6th year, there is no way. I hope i'm wrong.

But, I really hope it's true about M. Carter.
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Bob a redshirt allows a player 5 years to complete 4 years of competition. It is used to allow players to mature, space a backlog in the roster, a system that requires playbook knowledge or strength and conditioning level.


However Bob, there is a provison for a sixth year. It technically is not a medical redshirt, it is filed as medical hardship. If it shown that a player lost an entire season due to injury, the governing body can issue an additional or 6th year. So Royston, following a redshirt at Wisconsin. Was set to finsih his 5 year in the 2010 season. In the Spring Game, he suffers a compound fracture. He does no suit up for any games, did not play in any games in his 5th year. He lost his
5th year to injury. There are not only grounds for medical hardship, it is clearly illustrated in Royston's career.

On the Carter suspension it was for team rules, which I think was failure to make academic progress. Without playing, he certainly could have correct any class room issues. I don't think it rose to the level of academic probation. If he has applied himself, the grades are in. He should certainly meet the team rules, and a welcome re introduction to the team.

I think we are waiting for Haggeman's report card.
 

From a strictly rules perspective i see no reason why Royston wouldn't be granted a sixth year. His situation is no different than Adam Boone who was granted the sixth year. Boone played two years at North Carolina, sat out a year after transfering, played a year, then was injured and was granted the sixth year. It didn't sound like Royston wanted to play anyway so it is probably a mute point.
 

husker70 said:
Bob a redshirt allows a player 5 years to complete 4 years of competition. It is used to allow players to mature, space a backlog in the roster, a system that requires playbook knowledge or strength and conditioning level.


However Bob, there is a provison for a sixth year. It technically is not a medical redshirt, it is filed as medical hardship. If it shown that a player lost an entire season due to injury, the governing body can issue an additional or 6th year. So Royston, following a redshirt at Wisconsin. Was set to finsih his 5 year in the 2010 season. In the Spring Game, he suffers a compound fracture. He does no suit up for any games, did not play in any games in his 5th year. He lost his
5th year to injury. There are not only grounds for medical hardship, it is clearly illustrated in Royston's career.

On the Carter suspension it was for team rules, which I think was failure to make academic progress. Without playing, he certainly could have correct any class room issues. I don't think it rose to the level of academic probation. If he has applied himself, the grades are in. He should certainly meet the team rules, and a welcome re introduction to the team.

I think we are waiting for Haggeman's report card.
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No offense, but I think you have it a bit mistaken (I could be wrong, i'm just trying to illustrate how I understand the rules).

Ok....

(1) You typically have 5 years to play 4 seasons, with a RS mixed in.
(2) You can use a normal RS if you don't play at all in a season...
(3) You can use a medical hardship waiver to use your RS on a season in which you only played a small percentage of snaps (think Mike Rallis. He was a guy who had not used a RS but got injured in the Cal game last year and was able to use his RS for that season). The Waiver does not create a 2nd RS, it allows you to use your RS on a season in which you played only a little.
(4) Lastly, in very particular circumstances you can be granted a 6th year (it's not a med. hardship waiver or a med. RS). Those circumstances (as I understood them) are that you have to have been injured in a way that essentially cost you TWO seasons. Hypothetically, if Rallis' injury was so bad that he couldn't play the rest of last season AND this season, he would be a good candidate for a 6th year of eligbility.

So here is how I look at Royston's situation (and like I said, his dad seemed to agree with me when he was on this board)...

-Kim had 5 years to play 4....check
-Kim used his RS when he transferred....check
-Kim used his RS, so the medical hardship waiver does not apply
-Kim's injury only cost him this last season, so he wouldn't be eligible for a 6th season.

Like I said, I hope I am wrong, and I don't claim to be some sort of NCAA bylaws guru, so I certainly could be wrong, but this is how I understand it.
 


Getting a medical hardship waiver (commonly referred to as a medical redshirt) is based on # of games played in (not to exceed 30% aka 3 games in football) not # of plays.

You get 5 years to play 4. You can't use a normal redshirt and a medical hardship to get a 6th year. 6th year cases are heard and decided on by the NCAA on a case-by-case basis. From my understanding, the only way a 6th year is generally granted is if two seasons are lost to injury without exceeding the 30% limit.

There is something else going on here with the Royston request that GI posted a while back but that info is for subscribers so I won't pass it on in this forum so as to avoid pissing off paying members and I'd ask others to share that courtesy. I don't have a clue on whether the 6th year will be granted.
 

nsmike said:
Medical hardship can grant a 6th year regardless of the reason for the prior redshirt. I spoke to soon this link seems to cover it http://www.collegeathletictrainer.org/newsletter/getfile.php?fetch=1_2_1
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It isn't regardless of the reason for their prior red*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#*&^!#....

"A similar request is to waive the
five-year period of eligibility and
extend a sixth year. This requires two
out of five years of circumstances
beyond the control of the studentathlete.
An incapacitating medical
circumstance would be one example
of a qualifying condition. A
voluntary redshirt year would not"

Do you see what I mean, if you have a RS season, than the reason for the prior RS would impact whether or not they would qualify for that 6th season. What I talked about (if your injury knocked you out for 2 seasons with my Rallis hypothetical) would be the qualifying circumstance that the article illustrates. However, a player who took a normal RS would not (per this article).

I guess the real question is whether or not Royston's RS season is looked at like a normal RS or if it is treated different because he was a transfer. I can't see why it would make sense to treat his transfer season any different than a normal RS. (However, jovs Adam Boone example does have me scratching my head).
 

I said I spoke too soon, I admited my mistake, and posted a link what more do you want.
 


jovs said:
From a strictly rules perspective i see no reason why Royston wouldn't be granted a sixth year. His situation is no different than Adam Boone who was granted the sixth year. Boone played two years at North Carolina, sat out a year after transfering, played a year, then was injured and was granted the sixth year. It didn't sound like Royston wanted to play anyway so it is probably a mute point.
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I remember being surprised when Boone was granted a 6th year. I think 6th years are granted more often in basketball than in football.
 

Lets not forget that depending on where Royston is in his Academic career (completed degree, working on masters, completed masters) he will have to pay for an additional year of schooling to play football and depending on his goals for life after football that may not be the right choice for him.
 

Good example is former OU quarterback Jason White. Had reconstructive surgery on each of his knees and was able to get a redshirt year for each season lost associated with it, so he was at OU for six years. Had medical redshirt and then a medical hardship exemption. They are rare.
 

Sorry if I sound out of touch with this question, but do we know that Royston wants to come back and play another year, or are we just hoping he does?

Go Gophers!
 

gopherfaith said:
Sorry if I sound out of touch with this question, but do we know that Royston wants to come back and play another year, or are we just hoping he does?

Go Gophers!
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I assume he does want to play. If Kill has taken it upon himself to petition for a redshirt without bothering to consult the player, I would be absolutely floored.
 

It's worth applying for in any case. Just about anything is tecnically waiverable.
 

If Royston is healthy, works out like a beast and has a great year, he has a shot at playing on Sundays (don't jump on me- just saying a shot).

Considering that he seems to love playing football (witness his enthusiasm carrying the flag after Iowa win) this is probably a shot worth taking. Once you are done with competitive sports you don't want to wonder what if.

To paraphrase my old dating advice, the worst that can happen is the NCAA says no.
 

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