Maturi - It's not fair!

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Lol .. I saw this from Maturi and had to laugh

Minnesota athletics director Joel Maturi was disappointed to see the Gophers (14-9, 5-6) drop even further out of contention for an NCAA tournament bid with the loss to the Wolverines, but he didn't blame it on a lack of effort.

"We've lost several close games. It's been one of those years to this point," Maturi said. "Tubby's right. I think it's the little things, but which little things at what time? For me to say that the kids aren't trying hard is not fair. I do think that emotions make a difference how you play."
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A lot of things aren't fair Joel. Losing your top two recruits to legal issues wasn't fair. Having the police " investigate " a laptop theft for three months wasn't fair, having a player sit out for a season even though his trial won't probably be until after the season wasn't fair, having a feel good, everyone gets a sticker athletic director isn't fair either.
 

Reserve said:
Lol .. I saw this from Maturi and had to laugh



A lot of things aren't fair Joel. Losing your top two recruits to legal issues wasn't fair. Having the police " investigate " a laptop theft for three months wasn't fair, having a player sit out for a season even though his trial won't probably be until after the season wasn't fair, having a feel good, everyone gets a sticker athletic director isn't fair either.
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+1000

anyone have his email? id love to send him these sentiments
 

That Reflection in the Mirror, Mr. Maturi . . . .

"I think it's the little things, but which little things at what time? "

:(
 

I'll bet Joel is a big Garrison Keilor fan. :)
 




Reserve said:
Lol .. I saw this from Maturi and had to laugh

A lot of things aren't fair Joel. Losing your top two recruits to legal issues wasn't fair. Having the police " investigate " a laptop theft for three months wasn't fair, having a player sit out for a season even though his trial won't probably be until after the season wasn't fair, having a feel good, everyone gets a sticker athletic director isn't fair either.
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Are you implying that in the case of Mbwake he should have been able to play because his defender chose to delay the case in which he's accused of crushing a female's sinus with his fist and fleeing the state the next day?

Is Royce White the victim because Maturi didn't look the other way after getting kicked out of a summer program, the dorms, shoplifts, assaults a security officer, enters female dorm rooms uninvited, and refuses to cooperate in an investigation?

As disappointing as this season has been, I support Athletic Director Maturi and Coach Smith for not trying to circumvent the legal system. Mbwake could have gone to trial and White could have cooperated with police. Their situations would have been resolved much sooner.
 

akgopher said:
Are you implying that in the case of Mbwake he should have been able to play because his defender chose to delay the case in which he's accused of crushing a female's sinus with his fist and fleeing the state the next day?
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Some people feel that the timing of Mbakwe's leaving Florida is an indication of his guilt. OK fair enough. However the accuser/victim avoided giving a deposition for monthes. It would seem that this could be taken as a clear indication that she is aware her accusation may be incorrect.

I still don't understand the horror of the U abiding by "innocent until proven guilty" in this case.
 




Roy Christensen said:
Some people feel that the timing of Mbakwe's leaving Florida is an indication of his guilt. OK fair enough. However the accuser/victim avoided giving a deposition for monthes. It would seem that this could be taken as a clear indication that she is aware her accusation may be incorrect.
I still don't understand the horror of the U abiding by "innocent until proven guilty" in this case.
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I'm not assuming guilt. I was also under the impression the case would have gone to trial earlier if the defense hadn't pushed for a delay. If locating the victim was truly the hang-up, then my assumptions were off.

I still think the seriousness of the crimes and the fact that a DA thinks there's enough evidence to go forward with charges would make a allowing him on the court a pretty bold move by the program.
 

akgopher said:
I'm not assuming guilt. I was also under the impression the case would have gone to trial earlier if the defense hadn't pushed for a delay. If locating the victim was truly the hang-up, then my assumptions were off.

I still think the seriousness of the crimes and the fact that a DA thinks there's enough evidence to go forward with charges would make a allowing him on the court a pretty bold move by the program.
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Your understanding of the case is correct. Roy's comments are a bit scary (claiming others are assuming guilt, while at the same time suggesting that the victim is lying because he claims she 'avoided giving a deposition for months' [not true]).

In the real world, innocent people plead guilty. And in a case like this, if the charges could be pleaded down, whether guilty or not, it's something Trevor would need to consider. However, if he ever wants to play for the U I don't think a lesser plead is an option - anything admitting guilt in this particular case would make the U to drop his scholarship.

There is blame to be shared with the University on the Mbakwe criminal matter - why didn't Tubby understand all the facts earlier? Why were they not communicated to Maturi? And why did it take Maturi until just before the season started to say, 'hey... the guy can't play with those charges outstanding against him'? Those who know the answers realize the U could have done much better... but at the very least, they had to not let the young man suit up.
 

Reserve said:
Lol .. I saw this from Maturi and had to laugh



A lot of things aren't fair Joel. Losing your top two recruits to legal issues wasn't fair. Having the police " investigate " a laptop theft for three months wasn't fair, having a player sit out for a season even though his trial won't probably be until after the season wasn't fair, having a feel good, everyone gets a sticker athletic director isn't fair either.
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I'm not sure what the big deal is about that quote. He said it wasn't fair to say the kids aren't trying hard, and he is right. At the end of the day they are losing because there isn't enough talent with Nolen, Mbakwe, and Royce suspended. They aren't losing because of a lack of effort.

Would you rather have him say the team is losing because there aren't enough good players right now?
 

It's not just a lack of talent (obviously). There's no question that the team isn't playing as hard as last year. See last game for example.
 



Gopher Warrior said:
Roy's comments are a bit scary (claiming others are assuming guilt, while at the same time suggesting that the victim is lying because he claims she 'avoided giving a deposition for months' [not true]).

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It was reported here last fall that the victim was not deposed because she could not be located. At the time there was much speculation that the case would be dropped for this reason. It was recently reported that the victim was only just deposed in January. Perhaps I have assumed too much by believing the victim could not be located because she did not want to be deposed. I have never seen another reason for her not being deposed. If you have information that shows me to be incorrect could you please share. I do believe if Trevor's leaving Florida is an indication of his guilt (why did AK bring this up if that was not his point) than it would be fair to believe that the victim's unwillingness to be deposed could be associated with his innocence.

BTW in other threads on this board I have seen you chide other posters for not quoting you but rather misrepresenting your statements. I try to choose my words carefully and say EXACTLY what I mean. Where did I use the word lying. Why would you try to change what I said rather than quote me?
 

Roy Christensen said:
I have assumed too much by believing the victim could not be located because she did not want to be deposed.

I try to choose my words carefully and say EXACTLY what I mean. Where did I use the word lying. Why would you try to change what I said rather than quote me?
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Hey guy, no need to get upset. You did assume too much and were wrong for doing so - I can forgive you.

You never used the word lying. I never said you did. I said your comment suggested that the victim who was beaten so bad she had facial surgery was lying. Your comments were too stupid to quote. I paraphrased that you suggested she lied, which is exactly what you did. Get a grip, my friend. I'm not out to get you - your comments were just b.s., that's all. I have lots of friends that say dumb things. They are still my friends.
 

You have a lot of good info to share but you're starting to get a little out of control on here with your condescending posts. There's a reason people are defensive when they respond to you.

Gopher Warrior said:
Hey guy, no need to get upset. You did assume too much and were wrong for doing so - I can forgive you.

You never used the word lying. I never said you did. I said your comment suggested that the victim who was beaten so bad she had facial surgery was lying. Your comments were too stupid to quote. I paraphrased that you suggested she lied, which is exactly what you did. Get a grip, my friend. I'm not out to get you - your comments were just b.s., that's all. I have lots of friends that say dumb things. They are still my friends.
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I don't want to hijack this thread too bad, but I'm much less concerned about the basketball program than in the hockey program. Why? Because this is a one-year occurence under Tubby. What's been going on with hockey has been happening for three years. Yet, the stance that Maturi has taken as that program continues to slide amounts to "aw shucks....these things happen", which sounds a whole lot like what he said in this case. Taking that into account (in addition to his double-talk regarding Tim Brewster and the way his hiring and contract extension were handled) lead me to really question him on things.

By most accounts, the guy is very personable, polite and smiles a lot. Personally, I like these attributes in people. But that seems to be his entire approach to everything at all times. In other words, if it wasn't for Tubby, I would be A LOT more concerned because based on what I've seen from Joel, he's more interested in being a good guy than in making good, and at times, necessary decisions.
 

Ok I get it. You have nothing to add. You are just out to be the internet bully. Have a good life.
 

Roy Christensen said:
Ok I get it. You have nothing to add. You are just out to be the internet bully. Have a good life.
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The ignore function works well :) FWIW, I remember the victim went "missing" as well in the fall. Not sure how that's Mbakwe's fault and it's pretty bush league that he had to miss an entire season because of that.
 

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