Mason vs Brewster 28 games

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I like Brewster, I also think he will be fired at the end of the season. That doesn't prove firing Mason was a mistake.
I looked at the last two years under Brewster plus the first two games of this year. His record is 14-14. Mason's last 28 games as head coach at MN his record was 14-14.
Mason did beat a bad Iowa team one year. He also beat Michigan and Alabama in a bowl. No signature wins for Brew.
Masons schedule was easier with teams like Temple and Kent State providing easy wins. Brew still should have beat SD.
Brewster had 55-0 to Iowa. Mason had 44-0 to tOSU, 48-12 to Wiscy, 42-17 to Cal, and 38-14 to Wiscy. Mason also had the loss on the punt block to Wiscy and of course Texas Tech.
Time and limited success from Brewster have been kind to Mason. People forget why he was fired. Before Mason gets to smug, he needs to remember he was a big steaming pile of mediocrity too.
 

drinks at Northpoint said:
I like Brewster, I also think he will be fired at the end of the season. That doesn't prove firing Mason was a mistake.
I looked at the last two years under Brewster plus the first two games of this year. His record is 14-14. Mason's last 28 games as head coach at MN his record was 14-14.
Mason did beat a bad Iowa team one year. He also beat Michigan and Alabama in a bowl. No signature wins for Brew.
Masons schedule was easier with teams like Temple and Kent State providing easy wins. Brew still should have beat SD.
Brewster had 55-0 to Iowa. Mason had 44-0 to tOSU, 48-12 to Wiscy, 42-17 to Cal, and 38-14 to Wiscy. Mason also had the loss on the punt block to Wiscy and of course Texas Tech.
Time and limited success from Brewster have been kind to Mason. People forget why he was fired. Before Mason gets to smug, he needs to remember he was a big steaming pile of mediocrity too.
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Mase's third year he went 5-3 in the Big Ten without playing 6-2 Michigan and 6-2 Michigan State.

Brew's third year he went 3-5 in the Big Ten without playing 1-7 Michigan and 1-7 Indiana.

In Mase's fourth year he choked at home against Ohio.

In Brew's fourth year he choked at home against South Dakota which was worse obviously.
 

The primary reason Mason had to go was that he didn't even CARE that he was a big steaming pile of mediocrity so long as he was paid his million dollar salary to coach half of a football team for half of a game.
 

Mason had a signature win in his 3rd year...and some *VERY* dominating wins in his first 3 seasons as well...

Brew has 1 blowout against FAU 37-3...no signature wins tho...

And please don't put Ohio in the same category as SDU...yes it was embarrassing but at least it was against an FBS team...
 

I liked Mase, but he was going down.

Dude worked 4 days a week, and strictly during the season.
 


We saw the best Mason had to offer and it was apparent he was never going to be more than mediocre and that's why he isn't here.

We probably haven't seen the best of Brewster, but after last Saturday he may not be given enough time for us to see how much better he can become. He is only a fourth year head-coach.
 

Mason also beat No. 2 Penn State in Happy Valley. One of the greatest days for Minnesota football.

I think Brewster is probably gone after the year barring a huge turnaround, but I would love for him to get a signature win against USC.
 

Brewster is as good as gone...

The best Brewster has to offer is staying loyal to a QB that has wouldn't start on any other Big Ten team...
 

I wouldn't be placing any bets. Maturi is predisposed to keeping Brewster. Any sign of life and he's here next year.
 



Anybody Home?

Losing to South Dakota really sucks but if somehow he can win four more games for a total of five wins...decent recruiting in the pipeline...everybody back..."next year is the year we have been working towards"...blah, blah...then he's got a shot for one more year, I think. Win six games, go to bowl, he certainly has got another year.

I change my mind how I think it should be, but I worry who Maturi may hire if he is fired. Then I worry what happens if he stays and never figures out how to coach football.

I suppose the losses depend as well....can't get beat 55 to nothin' by anybody....unless he gets to six wins and then he's back to shaky, even so.
 

Mase's third year had four losses by a total 11 points. Kick a FG in the Wisconsin OT game, a couple of stops here/there, or a bit more efficient offense in a couple of games, and the U would have been playing on New Years' Day and possibly in Pasadena.

'99 (not '03) was Mase's high point at the U -- very good defense with a steady offense that could make a big play. '03 was fouled up by the stench of the Michigan loss...the '03 team may have been the U's best ever offense but the D was awful at times.
 

I was just thinking about that Temple game the other day. I was in Vegas the weekend of that game for my bachelor party and I thought about putting some money down since it was going to be an easy victory. I checked the line of the game and the Gophs were favored by 40 some points. I decided not to put money on the game thinking there is no way the Gophs would cover that, even with how bad Temple was at that point. Ofcourse that was the one time I have been proven wrong by the Gophs, as they go on to win 62-0. Just my luck.
 

SMU GOPHS FAN said:
I was just thinking about that Temple game the other day. I was in Vegas the weekend of that game for my bachelor party and I thought about putting some money down since it was going to be an easy victory. I checked the line of the game and the Gophs were favored by 40 some points. I decided not to put money on the game thinking there is no way the Gophs would cover that, even with how bad Temple was at that point. Ofcourse that was the one time I have been proven wrong by the Gophs, as they go on to win 62-0. Just my luck.
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If you want to contrast Brew and Mason, ask yourself this: Is there ANYONE, even 1-AA, that the Gophers could be matched up with tomorrow and be favored by 40? After last week, the answer is almost certainly no.
 



I hope the best measurement you can come up with isn't the point spread of cupcake games.
 

Silvio said:
I hope the best measurement you can come up with isn't the point spread of cupcake games.
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No. But the point is that we have reached the point that there are no cupcakes for us. It no longer matters who we play, you can bet that it will be 'exciting' and 'tremendous challenge.' If we were allowed to play D-II teams, we'd probably schedule UMD and eek out an exciting 13-10 victory.
 

It appears that way this week, but it also would have appeared that way after Mason lost to Ohio. You can't compare a specific point in time to a multi year body of work.
 

Brewster's team can barely beat cupcakes...if even beat them...
 

Silvio said:
It appears that way this week, but it also would have appeared that way after Mason lost to Ohio. You can't compare a specific point in time to a multi year body of work.
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The year we lost to Ohio we went on the road and beat Ohio State when they we're undefeated and ranked 5th in the country. Brewster has no chance of doing that this year, he can't even beat South Dakota. There literally is no such thing as a cupcake game during the Brewster era. He's lost to South Dakota, North Dakota State, Bowling Green(all at home btw), got blown out by Florida Atlantic, needed a missed field goal by Miami (OH) to beat them at home, beat South Dakota State 16-13... QUIT DEFENDING THIS CLOWN!
 

DMB123 said:
The year we lost to Ohio we went on the road and beat Ohio State when they we're undefeated and ranked 5th in the country.
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Then went to 3-8 Indiana and gave up 51 points. Glory Days...they'll pass you by, Glory Days.
 

Maximus said:
Then went to 3-8 Indiana and gave up 51 points. Glory Days...they'll pass you by, Glory Days.
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I've said multiple times that I wanted Mason gone at the time he was fired, I thought it was time for him to go as I didn't think he would ever take us to the next level. I'm simply saying that Brewster makes Mason look like Bear Bryant. I don't know how ANYONE can think that Brewster is as good a coach as Mason. Firing Mason was the right decision, hiring Brewster was/is an utter disaster and you must be blind to not see that. It's been six days since the worst loss in the program's history and there were two or three other losses under Brewster that are very comparable, and you people keep bringing up Mason losing one game to Ohio? Give me a break!
 


Mason's Best Teams

I agree with 60 Cent that the '99 team was the best under Mason--and really the best since '85 or '86, I think. They were only 3 plays away from the Rose Bowl. Ohio State, Wisconsin, Purdue--all of those losses were really tough to take, especially the Badger game. I'll never forget how awful it was to be in an overcrowded concourse trying to escape with thousands of other morose Gopher fans having to endure spontaneous renditions of 'On Wisconsin' by taunting Badger fans. Ugh.

That was the toughest Gopher loss I had witnessed until . . . "The Michigan Game." The 2003 team could have been truly great too, had they not completely imploded in that fourth quarter and then declined to show up for the first half the next game against MSU. The 2000 team really wasn't too bad, either, despite the embarrassing Ohio and Indiana losses, with the big tOSU win in the 'Shoe and a tough loss in an all-time classic with co-Big Ten champion Northwestern (the "Victory Right" game). The problem was that the defense drastically underperformed compared with expectations; the only guy they lost from the excellent '99 defense was Tyrone Carter, but that shows how important he was to the team. The offense overperformed compared with expectations in 2000.

With respect to questions of firing, my personal opinion is that every college coach should be given four years of play--maybe five--to prove his or her worth, no matter how bad the first three years might be.

-Joe
 

I think that overall Mason = Brewster. Neither was or is anything special. Just used differect approaches to get the same results.
 

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