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He certainly has challenges we have not recruited or coached up a B1G ten caliber QB during his tenure but... Is there any question that he has little talent when it comes to calling a game? I love coach Kills staff overall but it seem like coach Z is over matched and Limegrover just doesn't have an overall solid skill set for calling plays and frankly after today I question how good he is as a line coach. I think our ceiling is low with Limegrover in charge of our O which is sad.
 


To this point I have tried to back Limey and I will say he called a great 3rd quarter today. The 4th.. not so much and definitely not in the first half. After today I've decided that I don't think he should be Offensive Coordinator and OLine coach. Our offense just hasn't seemed prepared for games and our OLine (which is suppose to be the most experienced deepest unit on the team) really disappointed today against a team that had just been getting killed on the ground. Take away Cobbs one long run and the run game was anemic today and its because he was hit in the backfield on almost every run. We have to be more prepared and now i believe that means Limey needs to give up the OLine coaching and just prepare as OC.
 

Halsey Hall said:
What the hell has Coach Z accomplished here?
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Why is everyone so mad at Coach Z? Our QB threw for 240 yards today. Before the game if you would have been told we would throw for 240 1 td and 1 int would you not picture a win?
 

bottlebass said:
To this point I have tried to back Limey and I will say he called a great 3rd quarter today. The 4th.. not so much and definitely not in the first half. After today I've decided that I don't think he should be Offensive Coordinator and OLine coach. Our offense just hasn't seemed prepared for games and our OLine (which is suppose to be the most experienced deepest unit on the team) really disappointed today against a team that had just been getting killed on the ground. Take away Cobbs one long run and the run game was anemic today and its because he was hit in the backfield on almost every run. We have to be more prepared and now i believe that means Limey needs to give up the OLine coaching and just prepare as OC.
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The O-line is what bothers me the most. People on this board were accurately pointing out that even in non-conference play the O-line was going through long stretches of poor play. The youth card has been played the last couple years, but that's no longer applicable. This line starts 3 VERY experienced players. Injuries play a part (Bak, Christenson, Lauer), but 8 games into the season you'd hope your experienced O-Line (coached by your O-coordinator) would be able to completely work over a team that had been hapless against teams who run the bell well. This bothers me a lot.
 


MGGopher said:
The O-line is what bothers me the most. People on this board were accurately pointing out that even in non-conference play the O-line was going through long stretches of poor play. The youth card has been played the last couple years, but that's no longer applicable. This line starts 3 VERY experienced players. Injuries play a part (Bak, Christenson, Lauer), but 8 games into the season you'd hope your experienced O-Line (coached by your O-coordinator) would be able to completely work over a team that had been hapless against teams who run the bell well. This bothers me a lot.
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Logic. Thank You.
 


bottlebass said:
Why is everyone so mad at Coach Z? Our QB threw for 240 yards today. Before the game if you would have been told we would throw for 240 1 td and 1 int would you not picture a win?
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They had 10 guys in the box on lots of plays and were completely selling out against the run. WRs were wide open consistently. 12-32 is nowhere near good enough. Probably 3-4 drops and you're still below 50%
 

cncmin said:
Now, who is the offensive line coach? THAT guy, whoever it is, must deserve some blame.
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Agree. My point from the start is that there is plenty of blame to go around. Even Cobb, maybe our best player, deserves blame. It was a team failure and a bad loss. No less, but no more either.
 



Spoofin said:
Agree. My point from the start is that there is plenty of blame to go around. Even Cobb, maybe our best player, deserves blame. It was a team failure and a bad loss. No less, but no more either.
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So you can't blame the coaches, except when it's okay to blame the coaches.

Got it.
 

I believe a big problem with our offensive struggles is Limegrover. Our offense is so predictable that a high school coach could easily prepare for our offense. Watching the game yesterday I just shook my head and criticized Limey in the chat room. I do not believe he has the skill set necessary to be a big 10 offensive coordinator. His predictable play calling holds this team back. I truly believe we are a better offensive team than what we see on the field and the real reason why our offense struggles so often is due to the fact that we are a very easy team to plan for. I believe that the lack of offensive imagination has created more offensive struggles than a lack of execution. It is difficult to execute a play when the defense knows what you are going to run before the ball is snapped, e.g. hand off to cobb up the middle.
 

Let's be real here. Any talk of 7-1 or West Division championships were wholly premature. Our team looked only dominant against Michigan and we've otherwise been the beneficiaries of a lot of luck (for a change) leading up to the game against the Illinois squad. I believe this staff has coached this squad up yet there is not yet an abundance of talent at Bierman. Hopefully, with a year or two more of improvement, winning the games we "should" and a few against those we shouldn't and perhaps a few difference makers will start to show up on campus, particularly on the offensive side of the ball, and more particularly at the signal caller position. It is still early, really, in the Kill regime, and I'd worry more about the job Limegrover is doing once we have real playmakers for him to coach on the offensive side of the ball.

It was a bad game for the Gophers but it had to be expected somewhere along the line. Nothing prior to today showed the Gophers to be a dominant team with dominant talent. Yet, but for a rare giveaway by our best player and a missed field goal by our late hero, the outcome of this game is different and many still think this team has a legitimate shot at playing in Indy.
 

There's not enough talent on the team, period. The fact that we have the record we do is actually a credit to Limey and Claeys, etc. in terms of their gameday coaching.

We have a good RB, a good TE, a couple good LBs and DBs, and that's pretty much it. The rest are either too young or not good enough. That's not nearly enough talent to compete with the top of the BIG like we all want.

I think it was completely evident the last few weeks we have talent on-par with Northwestern and Purdue. Those were even, hard-fought games where we did just enough to win We have more talent than Illinois, but not by much, and remember, they were playing their backup QB.

Until we get better players we will continue to be stuck in mediocrity.
 



Section2 said:
They had 10 guys in the box on lots of plays and were completely selling out against the run. WRs were wide open consistently. 12-32 is nowhere near good enough. Probably 3-4 drops and you're still below 50%
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Very good point - the Gophers have little or no short passing game - yet they have receivers. They should have shown Illinois what it didn't expect at all, and that would have opened up the running game. Limey is too stubborn, yet can call an imaginative game when he wants to (Nebraska last year). He needs to loosen up.
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
Very good point - the Gophers have little or no short passing game - yet they have receivers. They should have shown Illinois what it didn't expect at all, and that would have opened up the running game. Limey is too stubborn, yet can call an imaginative game when he wants to (Nebraska last year). He needs to loosen up.
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Didn't they try a few of those short passes in the 1st Half and they were missed, defended and one was dropped? They did shake it up in the 3rd Quarter by throwing deep and you're right, it opened-up the running game and led to a 21 point explosion. Then the 4th Quarter came, they couldn't complete those passes, Illinois went back to stopping the run, they missed a FG and Cobb fumbled the lead away.

Maybe they could have opened it up in the 1st Half, don't know if that would have worked. If the QB from the 3rd Quarter had been there in the 1st Half it would have. Otherwise Limergrover and the Offense itself is pretty hamstrung. JMO
 

bottlebass said:
Why is everyone so mad at Coach Z? Our QB threw for 240 yards today. Before the game if you would have been told we would throw for 240 1 td and 1 int would you not picture a win?
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He could have thrown for 440 if he could hit an open receiver. I still want to see a QB truly develop. I know that everyone says that Mitch is only a soph (redshirt) but I'd like to see more progress. As far as play calling its not nearly as bad as the Mason days. Off the top of my head I can;t think of a game where a Kill team has lost because of playcalling, as for Mason, Michigan '03, maybe Mich '04, that Texas Tech game which was Mason's last....
 

josh087 said:
There's not enough talent on the team, period. The fact that we have the record we do is actually a credit to Limey and Claeys, etc. in terms of their gameday coaching.

We have a good RB, a good TE, a couple good LBs and DBs, and that's pretty much it. The rest are either too young or not good enough. That's not nearly enough talent to compete with the top of the BIG like we all want.

I think it was completely evident the last few weeks we have talent on-par with Northwestern and Purdue. Those were even, hard-fought games where we did just enough to win We have more talent than Illinois, but not by much, and remember, they were playing their backup QB.

Until we get better players we will continue to be stuck in mediocrity.
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Completely agree. The talent level of the team is holding it back (that and relative youth at too many positions, which is up to the coaches to address). It's going to take more than out-executing the other team to win the next 4 games. Iowa maybe, but the other 3 teams appear to be quite a bit stronger. Granted they have just as much ability to piss away a game as we do, so you never know when that will happen.
 

Indi1006 said:
He certainly has challenges we have not recruited or coached up a B1G ten caliber QB during his tenure but... Is there any question that he has little talent when it comes to calling a game? I love coach Kills staff overall but it seem like coach Z is over matched and Limegrover just doesn't have an overall solid skill set for calling plays and frankly after today I question how good he is as a line coach. I think our ceiling is low with Limegrover in charge of our O which is sad.
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IMO it's premature to start blaming coordinators until you see a talented team that is not producing as it should be. I do not see that here, particularly at QB/WR. Different coaching is not the answer at this point; we still need the consistency.
 

I'm with josh and sparlimb. We're just short a few guys. I'm not going to get into the stars v. coaching debate because it's pointless and you need both. Further, we're playing a lot of young guys do to injuries and/or lack of depth at certain positions.
 

50PoundHead said:
I'm with josh and sparlimb. We're just short a few guys. I'm not going to get into the stars v. coaching debate because it's pointless and you need both. Further, we're playing a lot of young guys do to injuries and/or lack of depth at certain positions.
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Understood and very reasonable, though can't recall any of that talk the last few weeks.

We should keep that in mind when (if?) they win the next game and we have to read about how Kill and Company "don't care about stars!" How they can take anybody and "coach them up". Or how they know "exactly who they want" on their roster.

Game could have gone either way in that 4th Quarter. Pissing and moaning about how awful it was or how overall it doesn't matter anyway seems very "internet-dependent".
 

Iceland12 said:
Understood and very reasonable, though can't recall any of that talk the last few weeks.

We should keep that in mind when (if?) they win the next game and we have to read about how Kill and Company "don't care about stars!" How they can take anybody and "coach them up". Or how they know "exactly who they want" on their roster.

Game could have gone either way in that 4th Quarter. Pissing and moaning about how awful it was or how overall it doesn't matter anyway seems very "internet-dependent".
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Winning is a soothing balm that covers the blemishes. We're light years ahead of where we were when Kill took over, but he's never had the opportunity to red-shirt a whole class and he's never landed the one or two big fish that can vault a team from solid to top drawer. It took time for that to happen in Wisconsin. It didn't happen for D'Antonio right away at MSU. I'm just saying we need a game changer or two and we really don't have one right now. We're a blue collar team that has to play well to win and we didn't play well yesterday, so these questions will arise when that happens.
 

The issue is that people are looking at this situation wrong. At NIU Kill and staff put their guns on offense and it showed in how they lit up the scoreboard. Now they come to MN and they decided to compete in the B1G they needed to put their guns on defense. Defense has been superior to offense. They seem to have put more emphasis on offense in the 14' and 15' recruiting classes. We can nitpick the coaching, but it has more to do with the formula and where the talent is being placed. Our top offensive players are from MN outside of Cobb. That's not going to get it done.
 

denguegopher said:
He could have thrown for 440 if he could hit an open receiver. I still want to see a QB truly develop. I know that everyone says that Mitch is only a soph (redshirt) but I'd like to see more progress. As far as play calling its not nearly as bad as the Mason days. Off the top of my head I can;t think of a game where a Kill team has lost because of playcalling, as for Mason, Michigan '03, maybe Mich '04, that Texas Tech game which was Mason's last....
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So you want to see a QB develop but don't want to give them the time to develop? How many games has Leidner started at this level? Give the kid some time. He looks good for some stretches then over throws some balls a lot of which were due to him being on the move which is the hardest throw to hit accurately. You can't say he hasn't improved. He has thrown multiple "perfect" passes this year, he just needs to improve his consistency a little bit. If we are going to have him throw 20 passes a game we are talking about 2 more passes being on target vs over throws. 2 passes. That will get him from 50% to 60%...

Agree with the Mason comments.
 

Limegrover said on the radio 1-2 weeks ago that the team is at about 50% check with on the offense, meaning the Leidner checks to different plays based on the defense about 50% of the time. Is the call bad? Is the audible bad? or is the defense good?
 

He's horrible at his job.

Sorry.

I've been saying it almost from day one.
 

Yes we get it ever since you felt uncomfortable with Coach Kill's condition you have been trying to convince the world how bad Limegrover is. You know Kill won't fire him so if Limegrover goes, Kill goes and you can feel less anxious about Kill on the Gopher sidelines.
 

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