Leslie Frazier & Mark Trestman

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It will be one of these two gentlemen. Maturi has already said that Dungy will help him in the selection process. This means that Dungy will almost insist on Leslie Frazier, the two are very close and Dungy has suggested the only reason Frazier isn't a head coach is because he is black.

He (Dungy) is probably correct on this point. If Frazier were white he would have had a dozen job offers by now. Sad, but absolutely true. Frazier is respected and could most likely bring in a very good coaching staff.

Marc Trestman is the only non-black candidate that would be, IMHO, acceptable. Not just because of his head coach experience and ties to Minnesota. The main reason is that the CFL season is over with the Gray Cup on November 26. He is the only employed coach that could be here a full month ahead of Frazier.

In my opinion, the key to success will be the ability to bring in a good teaching coaches. The Gophers have had some very good athletes in the last few years. The problem is that they have not been taught a damned thing about how to play their positions. The defensive line and backfield is a very good example. They have the athletic ability they just have not been coached to know the proper techniques to be successful. Look back at the offensive lines for Mason. They were always undersized but they were always superbly well coached unlike the current cast of behemoths that don't have an idea of what or where.

The exception to this is the receivers where Steve Watson has made significant changes in six months. Look at the similarities and differences between Gray and Hageman --- great natural talent and coaching.

Personally I'd like to see Mike Leach, if nothing else, for the opportunity to see the largest personality in the Twin Cities to be related to the Gophers. He would absolutely, positively fill up the stadium.

Leslie Frazier...Welcome to the Golden Gophers!
 

Frazier and Leach. Co-Head Coaches.

There would be no excuse for failure.
 

I guarantee that it will not be Mark Trestman.
 


Iceland12 said:
Not exactly going out on a limb with that one.
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Yes but we need to keep repeating it like a mantra to make sure he's right.

It's like a little prayer I say before I go to bed every night.
 


Iceland12 said:
Not exactly going out on a limb with that one.
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Don't get me wrong...it could be Marc Trestman, but will unequivocally not be Mark Trestman. I don't even know who that is.
 

Speaking of Trestman doesn't he look like he belongs on a sex offender registry?

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No, thanks for the offer Marc but we'll just get a sitter.
 

It won't be Leach or Trestman and I don't think the U will go the NFL route, which leaves out Frazier.
 

ncgo4 said:
It will be one of these two gentlemen. Maturi has already said that Dungy will help him in the selection process. This means that Dungy will almost insist on Leslie Frazier, the two are very close and Dungy has suggested the only reason Frazier isn't a head coach is because he is black.

He (Dungy) is probably correct on this point. If Frazier were white he would have had a dozen job offers by now. Sad, but absolutely true. Frazier is respected and could most likely bring in a very good coaching staff.

Marc Trestman is the only non-black candidate that would be, IMHO, acceptable.
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For the record I'm OK with Frazier being a top candidate. But to say that Frazier would have had 'dozens' of NFL job offers by now is absurd. While I can't guarantee you that there's no NFL owner out there who is biased, I can bet you that 95% of them are not. And they would all love to hire the next Mike Tomlin. It is odd that he's gotten several interviews and not landed the job yet. Maybe he doesn't interview well, I don't know. I know that Denver had him high on the list, but Josh McDaniels pulled a Brewster and played Pat Bowlen like he was Maturi. It happens.

Then you go on to day Trestman is the only non-back candidate that is acceptable? Really? Ever hear of reverse-racism? I think there would be advantages to having the only african-american coach in the Big 10, but I certainly hope we don't make it a requirement.

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply about Dungy, but I think you're going over-board. Further, while I'm sure he will be consulted, I hardly think they're simply handing him the reigns to run this hire. He has no official association with the U at the moment, and hasn't really been active in any meaningful way in years. Frankly, the entire fixation some seem to have with him is disturbing.

And if we hire Trestman, I'm relegating the Gophers to Timberwolves status. I'll watch if there's nothing else on, but otherwise wake me when they make the play-offs.
 



ncgo4 said:
Marc Trestman is the only non-black candidate that would be, IMHO, acceptable.
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Great point. Let's make sure we keep Jim Harbaugh, Mark Richt, Gary Patterson, Les Miles, Troy Calhoun and any other white dude away. No one could ever get excited about any of these white guys. No way.
 

Howeda,

How can you make 2500 posts about the Gophers and then make the following statement

"And if we hire Trestman, I'm relegating the Gophers to Timberwolves status. I'll watch if there's nothing else on, but otherwise wake me when they make the play-offs."

Unless you personally know Trestman, the following makes NO sense to me.
 

amateurdwarftosser said:
Howeda,

How can you make 2500 posts about the Gophers and then make the following statement

"And if we hire Trestman, I'm relegating the Gophers to Timberwolves status. I'll watch if there's nothing else on, but otherwise wake me when they make the play-offs."

Unless you personally know Trestman, the following makes NO sense to me.
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Because Trestman is a joke hire basically I'm guessing.

I wouldn't go as far as he would personally because he wouldn't be around that long. He'd be out of here in three years tops.
 

We could indeed end up with either of these two candidates, but based on the fact that Maturi wants to aim for the Tubby Smith of football, they are clearly not top choices. Maturi is looking for someone who can coach, recruit, has name recognition and brings instant credibility to the program. That eliminates many, many candidates - at least for now.
 



That picture of Trestman is interesting. He looks like he would shoot your dog, and then have you pay
money for the clean-up.
 

amateurdwarftosser said:
Howeda,

How can you make 2500 posts about the Gophers and then make the following statement

"And if we hire Trestman, I'm relegating the Gophers to Timberwolves status. I'll watch if there's nothing else on, but otherwise wake me when they make the play-offs."

Unless you personally know Trestman, the following makes NO sense to me.
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Perhaps I am exaggerating. But Trestman does beyond nothing for me. After what we've just been through with Brew, I would feel zero excitement/hope about what is sure to be a painful transition because I don't think it will end well. I'd almost rather have kept Brew if this is all we can come up with.

As others have said, if a guy wouldn't be on the list for any other job that's open, he shouldn't be on ours. You think Colorado or Maryland are going to be calling him up? The very though is laughable.
 

howeda7 said:
As others have said, if a guy wouldn't be on the list for any other job that's open, he shouldn't be on ours. You think Colorado or Maryland are going to be calling him up? The very though is laughable.
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No, of course he wouldn't be on the list for CU or Maryland or New Mexico State or Michigan as a potential head coach- only here, and I'm assuming that's only because of his 'Minnesota connection', which in my opinion is an absurd criterion by which to hire a coach. We need to get rid of that mindset that a coach must have some kind of connection to the state, because all that does is drastically limit the pool of possible candidates and leave you with unqualified persons ala the aforementioned Marc Trestman.

And if we ended up hiring an African-American as head coach, we'd be making a statement whether intended or not, because even today African-Americans are grotesquely underrepresented as head coaches in the FBS ranks, currently 13 out of 120 head coaches, and a number that's very far out of whack with the fact that of the players on the field, almost 50% of FBS players are black. But things are slowly getting better, as last season there were only 10 African-American head coaches in the FBS, and four or five years ago you could count them on one hand.
 

Seany said:
And if we ended up hiring an African-American as head coach, we'd be making a statement whether intended or not, because even today African-Americans are grotesquely underrepresented as head coaches in the FBS ranks, currently 13 out of 120 head coaches, and a number that's very far out of whack with the fact that of the players on the field, almost 50% of FBS players are black. But things are slowly getting better, as last season there were only 10 African-American head coaches in the FBS, and four or five years ago you could count them on one hand.
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Thats good progress, but it shouldn't solely be about race when making a hire. It should be about who is qualified for the job. Unfortunately a guy like Charlie Strong went years without a Head Coaching job despite having a resume better than every coach in college football prior to their first Head Coaching job. Hes doing a great job at Louisville now.
 

Honestly, why hire Trestman? Is it because f'n Bob Sansevere says we should? The only reason he is trotted out every time is because the nfl halfwits in this town think they know better. I really wish Maturi would have tacked on a sentence eliminating Trestman from contention. Something like this...and Tony Dungy said no and no way we're hiring a scrub qb just because he won the championship for an 8 team league.
 

Gopher Fan said:
Thats good progress, but it shouldn't solely be about race when making a hire. It should be about who is qualified for the job. Unfortunately a guy like Charlie Strong went years without a Head Coaching job despite having a resume better than every coach in college football prior to their first Head Coaching job. Hes doing a great job at Louisville now.
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No, of course it shouldn't be about race. It's hiring the best man for the job, be he white, black, brown, yellow, whatever. But it's nice that we have the option (at least seemingly, I have no idea of whether he'd even be interested in the job) of looking at what seems a very highly qualified African-American candidate in Leslie Frazier.

And I agree with you about Charlie Strong, and it's the same thing with Randy Shannon and Ron English, all of them uber-qualified and all repeatedly passed over. And it's great seeing all these new guys this year like Joker Phillips, Turner Gill, and Mike London making their head coaching debuts in power conferences. There you've got the SEC, the Big 12, and the ACC represented. The Big 10, not right now, but it will be- and who knows, that might just be us to do it.
 

gophmeister said:
Honestly, why hire Trestman? Is it because f'n Bob Sansevere says we should? The only reason he is trotted out every time is because the nfl halfwits in this town think they know better. I really wish Maturi would have tacked on a sentence eliminating Trestman from contention. Something like this...and Tony Dungy said no and no way we're hiring a scrub qb just because he won the championship for an 8 team league.
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Honestly I think Trestman is just a crutch for lazy journalists, as in whenever there's an opening here, rather than researching actual qualified candidates who we might have a shot at, they haul out that old saw...."Well what about Marc Trestman? He's got that Minnesota connection, baybee!". :rolleyes:

I shudder to think or believe in any way that he could be a realistic possibility here. There's no way Maturi could do that to us, at least I hope and pray to god that's so.
 

Seany said:
No, of course it shouldn't be about race. It's hiring the best man for the job, be he white, black, brown, yellow, whatever. But it's nice that we have the option (at least seemingly, I have no idea of whether he'd even be interested in the job) of looking at what seems a very highly qualified African-American candidate in Leslie Frazier.

And I agree with you about Charlie Strong, and it's the same thing with Randy Shannon and Ron English, all of them uber-qualified and all repeatedly passed over. And it's great seeing all these new guys this year like Joker Phillips, Turner Gill, and Mike London making their head coaching debuts in power conferences. There you've got the SEC, the Big 12, and the ACC represented. The Big 10, not right now, but it will be- and who knows, that might just be us to do it.
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I agree. There has been 1 minority HC in the Big 10 each decade, which is a pretty alarming stat. However it also could be due to the coaching stability.

Dennis Green in the 80's. Bobbie Williams in the 90's/00's(only got 3 seasons).
 

I don't want Frazier. He is an NFL guy and has never been a head coach (at least I don't believe). Sound familiar? Yeah, I guarantee he is better than Brewster, but I also don't know that he doesn't take an NFL head coach job in 2-3 years if they start doing well.

Trestman does nothing for me.
 


FireCosgroveGuy said:
I don't want Frazier. He is an NFL guy and has never been a head coach (at least I don't believe). Sound familiar? Yeah, I guarantee he is better than Brewster, but I also don't know that he doesn't take an NFL head coach job in 2-3 years if they start doing well.

Trestman does nothing for me.
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Other posters, have posted that Frazier was a NAIA HC, and sucessful enough that they named the field after him. I don't have a problem with him as long as he brings in coordinators with college experience.
 

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