Just for fun: Tubby Smith, John Wooden

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-John Wooden played six, maybe seven players in his regular rotation.

Tubby Smith would play 30 players if he could.

-John Wooden had been known to say he's take talent over experience. Quote from Wooden: "As much as I value experience, and I value it greatly, I'd rather have a lot of skill (speed & quickness) and little experience than a lot of experience and little skill."

Tubby Smith over-values experience more than any coach I have ever seen.

Again, this was just for fun. I think Tubby Smith is one of the best coaches Minnesota has ever had and the University is lucky to have him.
 




This comparison is pretty pointless. Wooden, while a great coach, coached a game that quite different from what we see today.

Beyond that, your two points are pretty arbitrary. Tubby would probably rotate less if we had a group of players that played well, consistently. And something tells me that Tubby values talent pretty highly, too.
 


Keep in mind Tubby doesn't have Kareem or Bill Walton, and as centerofmn pointed out you can't accurately compare when Wooden coached to now.
 


MaroonGopher said:
-John Wooden played six, maybe seven players in his regular rotation.

Tubby Smith would play 30 players if he could.

-John Wooden had been known to say he's take talent over experience. Quote from Wooden: "As much as I value experience, and I value it greatly, I'd rather have a lot of skill (speed & quickness) and little experience than a lot of experience and little skill."

Tubby Smith over-values experience more than any coach I have ever seen.

Again, this was just for fun. I think Tubby Smith is one of the best coaches Minnesota has ever had and the University is lucky to have him.
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Moron Gopher...when are you going to reveal your true identity? Cuz your really Red Badger or Brown Hogeye aren't you...
 

USAFChief said:
Then why would he play Nolen and sit Joseph?

Why would he waste a scholarship on a stiff like Ahanmisi?
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Did you ever watch Joseph play PG? It was not pretty. Joseph is a natural SG, so why would Tubby start him out of position when we had a healthy Nolen? Nolen also brought a certain amount of leadership and responsibility onto the floor that its pretty obvious Joseph lacked (lacks).

Maverick is still a freshman who has played okay, everything considered. Not many can come into a major conference and succeed at PG as freshman.
 



USAFChief said:
Then why would he play Nolen and sit Joseph?

Why would he waste a scholarship on a stiff like Ahanmisi?
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Minnesota with healthy Nolen, but no Joseph: 10-1
Beat:
Wofford
Siena
Western Kentucky
North Carolina
West Virginia
North Dakota State
Indiana
Purdue
Iowa
Michigan

Lost to:
Ohio State

Minnesota with Joseph playing, Nolen hurt: 4-1
Beat:
Cornell
St. Joe's
Eastern Kentucky
Akron

Lost to:
Virginia

Minnesota with both playing: 0-2
Lost to:
Wisconsin
Michigan State

The team clearly played the best when we had Nolen, and no Joseph.
 

MaroonGopher said:
-John Wooden played six, maybe seven players in his regular rotation.

Tubby Smith would play 30 players if he could.

-John Wooden had been known to say he's take talent over experience. Quote from Wooden: "As much as I value experience, and I value it greatly, I'd rather have a lot of skill (speed & quickness) and little experience than a lot of experience and little skill."

Tubby Smith over-values experience more than any coach I have ever seen.

Again, this was just for fun. I think Tubby Smith is one of the best coaches Minnesota has ever had and the University is lucky to have him.
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John Wooden had great success (the best ever) in the latter half (1964 through 1975) but minimal success the first half of his career (1947 through 1963).

He played 5 starters and 2 or 3 reserves most games. Just like any other college team in 1950's and 60's did.
 

joemagoo362 said:
Minnesota with healthy Nolen, but no Joseph: 10-1
Beat:
Wofford
Siena
Western Kentucky
North Carolina
West Virginia
North Dakota State
Indiana
Purdue
Iowa
Michigan

Lost to:
Ohio State

Minnesota with Joseph playing, Nolen hurt: 4-1
Beat:
Cornell
St. Joe's
Eastern Kentucky
Akron

Lost to:
Virginia

Minnesota with both playing: 0-2
Lost to:
Wisconsin
Michigan State

The team clearly played the best when we had Nolen, and no Joseph.
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It would have been nice to have one or the other - but apparently not BOTH TOGETHER.
 

rrjackIII said:
It would have been nice to have one or the other - but apparently not BOTH TOGETHER.
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The sample size of BOTH TOGETHER is quite small and probably the toughest part of our schedule.
 



station19 said:
The sample size of BOTH TOGETHER is quite small and probably the toughest part of our schedule.
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Exactly. The team, IMO, is better off with both of them. Al mattered more because he was the only true PG while we had two effective SG's (Hoff and Joseph). Would have been nice to keep them both through the whole season.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
John Wooden had great success (the best ever) in the latter half (1964 through 1975) but minimal success the first half of his career (1947 through 1963).

He played 5 starters and 2 or 3 reserves most games. Just like any other college team in 1950's and 60's did.
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Head coaching record

Season Team Overall Conference Standing Postseason

Indiana State (Indiana Intercollegiate Conference) (1946–1948)
1946–1947 Indiana State 17–8 5–2 1 NAIB Invitation declined
1947–1948 Indiana State 27–7 7–0 1 NAIB National Finalist
Indiana State: 44–15 14–2

UCLA[37] (Pacific Coast Conference) (1948–1959)
1948–1949 UCLA 22–7 10–2 1 (South)
1949–1950 UCLA 24–7 10–2 1 (S&Overall) NCAA Regional 4th Place
1950–1951 UCLA 19–10 9–4 T–1 (South)
1951–1952 UCLA 19–12 8–4 1 (South) NCAA Regional 4th Place
1952–1953 UCLA 16–8 6–6 3 (South)
1953–1954 UCLA 18–7 7–5 2 (South)
1954–1955 UCLA 21–5 11–1 1 (South)
1955–1956 UCLA 22–6 16–0 1 NCAA Regional 3rd Place
1956–1957 UCLA 22–4 13–3 T–2
1957–1958 UCLA 16–10 10–6 3
1958–1959 UCLA 16–9 10–6 T–3

UCLA[37] (Pacific-8 Conference) (1959–1975)
1959–1960 UCLA 14–12 7–5 2
1960–1961 UCLA 18–8 7–5 2
1961–1962 UCLA 18–11 10–2 1 NCAA 4th Place
1962–1963 UCLA 20–9 8–5 T–1 NCAA Regional 4th Place
1963–1964 UCLA 30–0 15–0 1 NCAA Champions
1964–1965 UCLA 28–2 14–0 1 NCAA Champions
1965–1966 UCLA 18–8 10–4 2
1966–1967 UCLA 30–0 14–0 1 NCAA Champions
1967–1968 UCLA 29–1 14–0 1 NCAA Champions
1968–1969 UCLA 29–1 13–1 1 NCAA Champions
1969–1970 UCLA 28–2 12–2 1 NCAA Champions
1970–1971 UCLA 29–1 14–0 1 NCAA Champions
1971–1972 UCLA 30–0 14–0 1 NCAA Champions
1972–1973 UCLA 30–0 14–0 1 NCAA Champions
1973–1974 UCLA 26–4 12–2 1 NCAA 3rd Place
1974–1975 UCLA 28–3 12–2 1 NCAA Champions
UCLA: 620–147[3] 316–67

Total: 664–162
 

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