Jerry Kill's Sports Huddle Synopsis - 4/24/11

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Coach Kill's comments on this morning's Sports Huddle:

1) Yesterday's scrimmage: One ball was put on the ground and there were 4 or 5 penalties, which was disappointing. Positives: good kicking on the field, solid tackling - but we have a long way to go.

2) Kicking game this spring has been good - not game like conditions, however. Like what I saw this spring.

3) Chris Hawthorne has been solid in the kicking game this spring. "I hate to name anyone until after 2-a-days."

4) It's a learning process . . . Marqueis is athletic but needs good receivers - "Good receivers make good quarterbacks."

5) Moses Alipate did a good job running the team, but he has a long way to go and work to do. He's too big to move around effectively (avoiding the pass rush) and needs to get greater mobility. Would like to see Moses get down to 245 pounds. "He has a good arm and is a good kid."

6) Defense: Played a lot of younger players yesterday . . . injuries has caused a lack of depth. Defense is a work in progress - "Learning what we want them to do." Defense made a lot of progress at the end." We've advanced a grade (A, B, C, D, etc.) but have some grades to go.

7) Defensive line: Is the most improved area this spring. Was shocked when he watched the defensive line at the start of practice. Treat each play as a pass rush. Gotten better as a group.

8) Players mentioned that surprised Mona yesterday: David Stommes, DE (walk on) pass rusher . . . light and needs to get stronger but runs pretty well. 2) Matt Kloss, WR, (Walk on) he has helped a lot . . . thin at receiver. Dropped a ball a couple practices back, "I got on him and he hasn't dropped a ball since." 3) Cameron Bottecelli is a guy that has to step up because of depth. He has a good motor, has been moved to the inside and is presently 275; would like him to put on some weight. 4) Marcus Jones - tough kid, can take a hit and is a good blocker. Spring ball will help him in 2-a-days. Would like to see him get bigger and stronger (hope to see him at 175 -180 pounds). 5) Jonathan Ragoo is too big and he needs to getter quicker. 6) Kim Royston had a disappointing practice Thursday and he wanted to play Saturday and end the spring well, and did. 7) Donnell Kirkwood is short in physical status but is big and strong (218 pounds) - he's learning how to run and knowing what the offensive line is doing.

9) Linebackers: Rallis has had an outstanding spring . . . hard-nosed kid that loves the game. Keanon Cooper had a good spring. Linebackers are learning what they do - schemes.

10) Ed Olson is a smart football player, the type of kid you win with. Looking forward to getting his brother on campus.

11) We were basic yesterday. We'll be under center and from the shotgun . . .60/40 either way.

12) Pistol was previewed yesterday. We do a lot of personnel changes and shifting . . . hoping to cause doubt or confusion for the defense.

Coach Kill was on for the full half-hour. Good comments.

Go Gophers!!
 

Thanks again for your update and report as always, DL. Doc.
 


You have no idea how much I appreciate your post. I'm at church Sunday mornings and I miss it every week. Thanks.
 

#4 is a red-flag IMO.

When the head coach is saying that "great receivers make a great QB" he's already making excuses for a QB that hasn't blow everyone away throwing the ball.

The quandary you have is that no one is going to know the offense better and obviously no one is going to be a better athlete at QB than Gray. Short of a tragic injury or this true freshman being unbelievably good, Gray will be the QB. But is he going to be a guy who can rear back and sling the thing when it's 3rd and 8, down 7-14 in the 4th with 4 minutes left? Hope so.


Let me try to relate something from NDSU's recent past (I know, it's small, minor-leagues compared to Minnesota - not even the same sport). When Steve Walker graduated after beating U of M the 2007 season, there was little doubt that a young man named Nick Mertens, Mr. Minnesota in football at 3A East Grand Forks, MN high school, would succeed him for NDSU's 2008 season - the first NDSU was eligible for the DI-AA/FCS playoffs. NDSU was even picked to win the conference pre-season (arguably one of the best conferences at the FCS level).

Well, spring ball came around and Nick didn't out-right floor everyone. There was some doubts that lingered throughout spring and into fall camp about his passing ability. Nonetheless, he was named starter at the end of spring over kid from Maple Grove who was maybe a better passer but not nearly the athlete that Nick was. Nick played in a triple option offense in high school and ran for quite a few yards in his high school career (can't recall if EGF won the state title - 3A is a tough division with Glencoe and Becker, among others).

Well, what ended up happening is that NDSU finished the 2008 season at 6-5. They lost 4 games in the conference (not even close to winning it) including the final game of the year to rival South Dakota State in Fargo (a loss that killed any chance of NDSU making it to the playoffs). This was despite the fact that 8 seniors from that team got at least a tryout at an NFL camp. So obviously the team was talented. But it did not have the passing attack to complement the running game and defense - thus they lost to teams that were able to stuff the run and score some points on the D.

When they needed to throw the ball, they couldn't do it to win the game. Fans got to the point where they groaned each time a 3rd and long came, not being able to bare another low incompletion or interception.

Now to be fair, there were some painful drops in some games where it's like "come on! give the guy a break!!". But there were also plenty of passes that just weren't even close.

Maybe it wasn't a fair situation for the young man. I know one thing: he gave his heart and soul to NDSU football and took a lot of **** in return. It's too bad.


Obviously it's way too early to predict anything of that sort for Gray. And the situations are not the same, clearly. I don't know how prolific of a passer Gray was in high school - I'm assuming he's got some ability to the throw the ball.

I just see that comment from Kill and I know a red flag when I see one.
 


I think you're looking way too much into a pretty simple comment.
 

Bison Gopher, thanks for the lowdown on lowly NDSU from the past and play it to one statement by Kill. GophersInIowa hit the nail on the head.
 

I like to think that I don't have unrealistic expectations for Gray but I think you should really take the comment for what it is worth. What I mean is that, to me (as a fan, a guy who attended the game and has sat through a couple practices), it is much more of a statement about our WRs than it is about our QB.

We were a thin group at WR if we had stayed completely healthy. We had guys like McKnight, Green, Brandon and Lair all missing time?

This would be like if we were trying to determine how well we could run the ball with Ed Olson, Bunders, Gjere and a top backup (Michel) all out...

Now, the real statement is that Gray (and the entire passing game) is going to be difficult to judge when you are literally running out of WRs to throw the ball to.

I think Gray is a really good talent, but I will echo what Kill just said, if we don't have healthier WRs, our passing game will really struggle this season. However, I don't think too many college QBs would have any success if he was throwing to Barker, Wilson, Kiese, Jones, Rabe, Henry, Kloss, etc.

*Note, i'm not ripping on these guys. I do think they will eventual be solid contributors and I can't rip on the guys who actually made it through spring ball. I just don't think they are at a point in their development as players where they can be the focal point of a big 10 passing game.
 

#4 is a red-flag IMO.

When the head coach is saying that "great receivers make a great QB" he's already making excuses for a QB that hasn't blow everyone away throwing the ball.

The quandary you have is that no one is going to know the offense better and obviously no one is going to be a better athlete at QB than Gray. Short of a tragic injury or this true freshman being unbelievably good, Gray will be the QB. But is he going to be a guy who can rear back and sling the thing when it's 3rd and 8, down 7-14 in the 4th with 4 minutes left? Hope so.


Let me try to relate something from NDSU's recent past (I know, it's small, minor-leagues compared to Minnesota - not even the same sport). When Steve Walker graduated after beating U of M the 2007 season, there was little doubt that a young man named Nick Mertens, Mr. Minnesota in football at 3A East Grand Forks, MN high school, would succeed him for NDSU's 2008 season - the first NDSU was eligible for the DI-AA/FCS playoffs. NDSU was even picked to win the conference pre-season (arguably one of the best conferences at the FCS level).
Well, spring ball came around and Nick didn't out-right floor everyone. There was some doubts that lingered throughout spring and into fall camp about his passing ability. Nonetheless, he was named starter at the end of spring over kid from Maple Grove who was maybe a better passer but not nearly the athlete that Nick was. Nick played in a triple option offense in high school and ran for quite a few yards in his high school career (can't recall if EGF won the state title - 3A is a tough division with Glencoe and Becker, among others).

Well, what ended up happening is that NDSU finished the 2008 season at 6-5. They lost 4 games in the conference (not even close to winning it) including the final game of the year to rival South Dakota State in Fargo (a loss that killed any chance of NDSU making it to the playoffs). This was despite the fact that 8 seniors from that team got at least a tryout at an NFL camp. So obviously the team was talented. But it did not have the passing attack to complement the running game and defense - thus they lost to teams that were able to stuff the run and score some points on the D.

When they needed to throw the ball, they couldn't do it to win the game. Fans got to the point where they groaned each time a 3rd and long came, not being able to bare another low incompletion or interception.

Now to be fair, there were some painful drops in some games where it's like "come on! give the guy a break!!". But there were also plenty of passes that just weren't even close.

Maybe it wasn't a fair situation for the young man. I know one thing: he gave his heart and soul to NDSU football and took a lot of **** in return. It's too bad.


Obviously it's way too early to predict anything of that sort for Gray. And the situations are not the same, clearly. I don't know how prolific of a passer Gray was in high school - I'm assuming he's got some ability to the throw the ball.

I just see that comment from Kill and I know a red flag when I see one.


The ONLY reason you told this story is so you could blabber about your bison some more. The above highlighted comments have absolutely nothing to do with the OP or add any meaningful information to your story. You took an innocent observation about a spring game as an excuse brag up your bison, ridiculous and pathetic.
 



Very good notes, you remembered more than I would have. The only clarifications are the names of the first two players you mentioned. David Thomas is actually David Stommes, and Matt Claus is actually Matt Kloss.
 

Let me try to relate something from NDSU's recent past .......

This would have been a perfect time for you to quit typing as nobody who didn't attend NDSU or lives in Fargo gives a %$# about NDSU; I know this may come as a surprise to you....
 

Thanks, corcoran1 . . .

for your clarification of Stommes and Kloss. I've made the corrections to the initial entry. I must also recognize Bob_Loblaw for posting the correct spelling of Matt Kloss as well. I wish I would have had a roster when the names were being given over the radio.

Go Gophers!!
 

You guys need a Midol. Thanks for posting, BG. I appreciated your detailed and insightful post.
 



#4 is a red-flag IMO.

When the head coach is saying that "great receivers make a great QB" he's already making excuses for a QB that hasn't blow everyone away throwing the ball.
...
Let me try to relate something from NDSU's recent past

Almost every Hall of Fame QB has had Hall of Fame caliber receivers. When Gray is working with 5th string guys he's not going to look as good as when you have star receivers. Plus once they get some reps in then they will get to know each other and feed off each other. It'd be different if one of the other QB's was looking entirely better and they were blowing that off because of the receivers, but none of the QB's have looked that good with the receiving corps they have now.

I'm not trying to hammer on you, but I really don't understand the relevance of your story. Basically you're saying NDSU had a QB that didn't live up to expectations, so you don't think MG will? Instead of trying to compare to a completely different situation, comment on something you've seen MG do that you think he needs to improve on. Otherwise you're condemning highly tauted QB's or atheletic QB's or whatever which isn't valid since each player, coach and team situation is going to be drastically different.
 

Almost every Hall of Fame QB has had Hall of Fame caliber receivers. When Gray is working with 5th string guys he's not going to look as good as when you have star receivers. Plus once they get some reps in then they will get to know each other and feed off each other. It'd be different if one of the other QB's was looking entirely better and they were blowing that off because of the receivers, but none of the QB's have looked that good with the receiving corps they have now.

I'm not trying to hammer on you, but I really don't understand the relevance of your story. Basically you're saying NDSU had a QB that didn't live up to expectations, so you don't think MG will? Instead of trying to compare to a completely different situation, comment on something you've seen MG do that you think he needs to improve on. Otherwise you're condemning highly tauted QB's or atheletic QB's or whatever which isn't valid since each player, coach and team situation is going to be drastically different.

Of course I'm not condemning Gray to anything. I went out of my way to make that clear.

Just trying to explain why I think a red flag is red. NDSU replaced one of the best throwing QBs in their history (if not the best) with a guy who was very athletic but not an accurate passer and the results speak for themselves. If anyone thinks that Limegrover will be able to read-option handoff/keeper his way to offensive success this year without being able to sling it around on 2nd and 3rd and long - trust me, it doesn't work.


I get the whole "great WOs make a great QB ... who makes great WOs...who makes a great QB..." feedback loop. But it has to start somewhere, there has to be some initial condition on this system. And right now, from the sounds of Kill (and corroborated by FBT) the initial condition is that Gray has work to do on accuracy. Of course there's time to fix it - just sayin.

(Personally - I'd rather see a more prototypical NFL style QB who takes great 5-step drops, makes great reads and then hits the bullseye than the "new age" QB that are popping up all over college football doing the read-option handoff/keeper thing - but that's just me)
 

BG..."just sayin.""

Please be quiet. just sayin.
 

Of course I'm not condemning Gray to anything. I went out of my way to make that clear.

Just trying to explain why I think a red flag is red. NDSU replaced one of the best throwing QBs in their history (if not the best) with a guy who was very athletic but not an accurate passer and the results speak for themselves. If anyone thinks that Limegrover will be able to read-option handoff/keeper his way to offensive success this year without being able to sling it around on 2nd and 3rd and long - trust me, it doesn't work.


I get the whole "great WOs make a great QB ... who makes great WOs...who makes a great QB..." feedback loop. But it has to start somewhere, there has to be some initial condition on this system. And right now, from the sounds of Kill (and corroborated by FBT) the initial condition is that Gray has work to do on accuracy. Of course there's time to fix it - just sayin.

(Personally - I'd rather see a more prototypical NFL style QB who takes great 5-step drops, makes great reads and then hits the bullseye than the "new age" QB that are popping up all over college football doing the read-option handoff/keeper thing - but that's just me)

Nick Mertens = Very Athletic? You Fargo guys need to get out more. He and Gray are not in the same conversation athletically.

(That being said, I understand what you're trying to say)
 

Nick Mertens = Very Athletic? You Fargo guys need to get out more. He and Gray are not in the same conversation athletically.

(That being said, I understand what you're trying to say)

LOL! :D

Well, compared to Steve Walker yes he was very athletic. Just goes to show even more, an athletic QB is not required to run a highly efficient, successful passing game. At least not in the sense that the guy can legitimately play WO or RB in the same offense!
 




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