Jerry Kill the new coach with momentum?

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The same momentum that has hurt Sumlin's stock and has helped Ken M lately? 65-30 Northern Illinois beats an undefeated conference team in Toledo. Gray could look like Harnish who has looked unstoppable at points this season. With the Lineman we have coming in here he could install a legit running game.

Oh and stack Kill's resume next to Hoke's and it isn't really close. Kill is actually a pretty good candidate.
 

Buck the Fadgers said:
The same momentum that has hurt Sumlin's stock and has helped Ken M lately? 65-30 Northern Illinois beats an undefeated conference team in Toledo. Gray could look like Harnish who has looked unstoppable at points this season. With the Lineman we have coming in here he could install a legit running game.

Oh and stack Kill's resume next to Hoke's and it isn't really close. Kill is actually a pretty good candidate.
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Were it not for his health issues, I believe he'd be on the short list. The guy can coach, no question about it. Here's a little run-down:

Jerry Kill, former football coach at Southern Illinois University, experienced significant health challenges. Coach Kill’s seizure at a football game in the fall of 2005 and the subsequent treatment of this seizure disorder led to much public reporting concerning his health condition. Little known to most everyone was the fact that while Coach Kill was undergoing diagnostic testing for issues related to his seizure disorder, an X-Ray revealed a tumor on his kidney which was later diagnosed as cancerous.

Coach Kill kept the information regarding his being diagnosed with cancer to his family and very few close friends. Upon the completion of the fall 2005 football season, Coach Kill underwent the surgery recommended to him by the team of physicians he had consulted. This involved the removal of a portion of one of his kidneys. Jerry’s extensive exposure to the healthcare system and to the many other patients that he interacted with during his treatment led him to want to create a means of assisting others who were not as fortunate as he in terms of resources.

He was also hospitalized earlier this season with dehydration. Yes that can happen to anyone, but it is something that is typical for his condition. We'd have to get used to him coaching from his U of M hospital bed.
 

Rescooter said:
Were it not for his health issues, I believe he'd be on the short list. The guy can coach, no question about it. Here's a little run-down:

Jerry Kill, former football coach at Southern Illinois University, experienced significant health challenges. Coach Kill’s seizure at a football game in the fall of 2005 and the subsequent treatment of this seizure disorder led to much public reporting concerning his health condition. Little known to most everyone was the fact that while Coach Kill was undergoing diagnostic testing for issues related to his seizure disorder, an X-Ray revealed a tumor on his kidney which was later diagnosed as cancerous.

Coach Kill kept the information regarding his being diagnosed with cancer to his family and very few close friends. Upon the completion of the fall 2005 football season, Coach Kill underwent the surgery recommended to him by the team of physicians he had consulted. This involved the removal of a portion of one of his kidneys. Jerry’s extensive exposure to the healthcare system and to the many other patients that he interacted with during his treatment led him to want to create a means of assisting others who were not as fortunate as he in terms of resources.

He was also hospitalized earlier this season with dehydration. Yes that can happen to anyone, but it is something that is typical for his condition. We'd have to get used to him coaching from his U of M hospital bed.[/QUOTE]


A little over the top, don't you think? He was on the sideline last night, and was on the sideline vs. the U as they kicked our tails.

Another nice little tidbit - I believe eight of his ten assistants have been with him since his first head coaching job years ago. If we want consistency in a staff, there might not be a better candidate.
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A little over the top, don't you think? He was on the sideline last night, and was on the sideline vs. the U as they kicked our tails.

Another nice little tidbit - I believe eight of his ten assistants have been with him since his first head coaching job years ago. If we want consistency in a staff, there might not be a better candidate.

My apologies for being over the top. I agree.

The thing is, age has been brought up as a reason to not consider several well qualified candidates as well. There's the fear of the program being put on cruise control or the coach lacking the drive necessary to turn things around. The same can be said of health issues.

Could Jerry Kill do the job? You bet. He'd be great. The problem is, no matter how good he is, his health could be a factor.

Have you ever wondered why someone of his calibre is not coaching somewhere in the top tier BCS conferences? I believe it's health concerns - like it or not.
 

Alright, so we must add "somebody who hasn't had cancer" to the list of criteria.

I would rather have a sick good coach than a healthy bad one.

Tom Osborne had heart surgery in 1985. He did pretty well in his 13 seasons after.

I'm a big fan of Jerry Kill. Obviously he shouldn't be the #1 candidate, but he should definitely be in tier two.
 



I'm unconcerned about his health. So we have a graduate assistant following him around with some gatorade making sure he stays hydrated.
 


Rescooter said:
A little over the top, don't you think? He was on the sideline last night, and was on the sideline vs. the U as they kicked our tails.

Another nice little tidbit - I believe eight of his ten assistants have been with him since his first head coaching job years ago. If we want consistency in a staff, there might not be a better candidate.

My apologies for being over the top. I agree.

The thing is, age has been brought up as a reason to not consider several well qualified candidates as well. There's the fear of the program being put on cruise control or the coach lacking the drive necessary to turn things around. The same can be said of health issues.

Could Jerry Kill do the job? You bet. He'd be great. The problem is, no matter how good he is, his health could be a factor.

Have you ever wondered why someone of his calibre is not coaching somewhere in the top tier BCS conferences? I believe it's health concerns - like it or not.[/QUOTE]

Fair point, but I think it has more to do with where he began his coaching career than his health. He didn't play college ball at a big school (no contacts). He started out as a DC at Pitt St. when Pitt was an NAIA school, then took a h.s. gig, back to Pitt State when it became NCAA II, took better jobs at the D2 level, then got the IAA gig with S. IL, and now the 1A gig with UNI.

It's been a steady progression up-ward; reminds me a lot of Joe Tiller's road, and I would take Joe Tiller's success at Purdue with MN any day.

I like Kill a lot. He wouldn't be the "buzz" hire that casual fans would like, but I think folks that follow college football closely would be very happy with him as a hire.
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Current age of Candidates. None of the ages scare me away. Pushing 60 would a little depending on who it is. I want someone that can build the program and sustain for many years.

Kill -49
Hoke- 52
Calhoun- 44
Sumlin- 46
Leach- 49
Golden- 41


What we've hired in the past

Mason- 47
Wacker- 55
Brewster- 47
Gute- 41
Holtz-47
 

I somehow thought Kill was older. After looking at his resume, I'd put him at or near the top of the second tier of guys being considered. Impressive coach and an impressive guy.
 

He runs a spread offense. Than only works down south in places like Northern Illinois.
 

TCF=UnitedWeStand said:
Rescooter said:
Were it not for his health issues, I believe he'd be on the short list. The guy can coach, no question about it. Here's a little run-down:

Jerry Kill, former football coach at Southern Illinois University, experienced significant health challenges. Coach Kill’s seizure at a football game in the fall of 2005 and the subsequent treatment of this seizure disorder led to much public reporting concerning his health condition. Little known to most everyone was the fact that while Coach Kill was undergoing diagnostic testing for issues related to his seizure disorder, an X-Ray revealed a tumor on his kidney which was later diagnosed as cancerous.

Coach Kill kept the information regarding his being diagnosed with cancer to his family and very few close friends. Upon the completion of the fall 2005 football season, Coach Kill underwent the surgery recommended to him by the team of physicians he had consulted. This involved the removal of a portion of one of his kidneys. Jerry’s extensive exposure to the healthcare system and to the many other patients that he interacted with during his treatment led him to want to create a means of assisting others who were not as fortunate as he in terms of resources.

He was also hospitalized earlier this season with dehydration. Yes that can happen to anyone, but it is something that is typical for his condition. We'd have to get used to him coaching from his U of M hospital bed.[/QUOTE]


A little over the top, don't you think? He was on the sideline last night, and was on the sideline vs. the U as they kicked our tails.

Another nice little tidbit - I believe eight of his ten assistants have been with him since his first head coaching job years ago. If we want consistency in a staff, there might not be a better candidate.
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It worked for MSU.
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Bo Darville said:
He runs a spread offense. Than only works down south in places like Northern Illinois.
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#11 rushing offense in the country. His offense would be very effective at Minnesota, I think Kill would be a great hire.
 


This is not directed at any one person, and I have no opinion on Kill. But, I'm really getting tired of people saying that we need a big name coach who will add "buzz" to the program right away. While this isn't the worst thing in the world, the dude better be able to coach. A year or two of buzz isn't going to cut it if its not followed quickly by at least 7 wins. I don't think every big name buzz creating coach would make a good coach here. A guy like Kill, who I know little about, is just as good of an option imo because the goal is to win games and that's what will sell tix.
 

jags1998 said:
This is not directed at any one person, and I have no opinion on Kill. But, I'm really getting tired of people saying that we need a big name coach who will add "buzz" to the program right away. While this isn't the worst thing in the world, the dude better be able to coach. A year or two of buzz isn't going to cut it if its not followed quickly by at least 7 wins. I don't think every big name buzz creating coach would make a good coach here. A guy like Kill, who I know little about, is just as good of an option imo because the goal is to win games and that's what will sell tix.
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I am a "buzz" guy. I think someone who brings a "buzz" is someone who IS going to deliver the wins. While we get up and going again we need an identity and some hope for this program. You are 100% correct in that we need a guy that can coach. But, we are not at a point to take risks. If a Kill or Hoke are hired I think we are hiring imo very good coaches. However, borderline fans/season ticket holders and general sports fans are going to have a wait/see or have a who cares attitude. Combine that with a tough schedule and they will not have much of a honeymoon.

When we hired Tubby (or better said when Tubby made us an offer) perception and the reality of the program changed immediately. Same thing when Holtz was hired. People knew we had better days ahead.
 

jags1998 said:
This is not directed at any one person, and I have no opinion on Kill. But, I'm really getting tired of people saying that we need a big name coach who will add "buzz" to the program right away. While this isn't the worst thing in the world, the dude better be able to coach. A year or two of buzz isn't going to cut it if its not followed quickly by at least 7 wins. I don't think every big name buzz creating coach would make a good coach here. A guy like Kill, who I know little about, is just as good of an option imo because the goal is to win games and that's what will sell tix.
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I agree, Just Win Baby. Kill is winning with 2 seniors starting on offense. LT is in from MN as well.

If they go below the Hoke, Sumlin, Calhoun, Kill, and Golden I'd have some concerns that we might have another Brewster or no one wanted the job.
 

"Buzz" is great, but he still better be a really good coach. This is going to be a great league, if you don't have a really good coach the "buzz" will go away fast.
 

If we hire Kill, he will probably want to bring his staff with him. If Northern Illinois makes it to a bowl game, how would that work? Would be coach through the bowl game, or would be start here right away? If he took his staff with him, and came here before NIU's bowl game, who would be left to coach in the bowl game?
 

Thats a very good question you asked. I am not sure how that would play out. It could be asked for some other coaches as well.
I do like Jerry Kill as a candidate also.
PROS
- He has been both an offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator ( was at small program)
- He has been recruiting state of Illinois,Indiana,Wisconsin, even Minnesota for a few years
- He has a QB that can run/scramble and make 1st downs either running or throwing -- If Gray is QB next year could be utilized in that role
- It appears he can flat-out coach

CONS
- He is not a big name coach from a big program
- Health questions -- I am not concerned -- hopefully vetted by search process

I think he should be considered along with the other tier candidates
Sumlin
Mullen
Hoke
Calhoun
Golden
 

Can we eliminate Leach already?
He's not coming here and the Adam James incident is only the tip of the iceberg of reasons why.
 

corcoran1 said:
"Buzz" is great, but he still better be a really good coach. This is going to be a great league, if you don't have a really good coach the "buzz" will go away fast.
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I'm not sure why this keeps getting brought up unless people think that the admin will try another Brewster type of guy. When you combine what the powers that be have said about wanting someone with head coach experience and a "Tubby Smith" type of hire, I find it strange that we keep hearing things like the above. When you make the statements that the administration has made, buzz can only imply a winning coach. Given the parameters discussed by the administration, BUZZ= BIG NAME WINNING COACH. By virtue of their own statements, a coach with "buzz" has to be someone with demonstrated ability to coach. If people think that its not necessary to hire a coach with a name that's fine and I get it, but I haven't heard the President or AD say "We want someone who can create a buzz, coaching ability be damned". If that were the goal, we'd still be counting the number of times tremendous is said at each news conference.
 

Coach Kill is very intriguing. He has done very well with his three head coaching jobs and has NIU at 8-2 in his third year. Plus NIU ranks well in both offense and defense categories.

IMO, he is a notch above others such as Sumlin and Hoke. Coach Kill has shown he has the ability to take lesser programs to a high level of success. That is impressive.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_year_by_year.php?coachid=2781
 

cjcarter8 said:
Can we eliminate Leach already?
He's not coming here and the Adam James incident is only the tip of the iceberg of reasons why.
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Leach has been eliminated by the people who will be selecting the coach. I agree that "buzz" is not nearly as important as getting the right guy. Winning creates buzz and will fill the stands. I think that Jerry Kill would be a legitimate candidate that would merit serious consideration.
 

In many respects, he looks good - especially in turning around several programs. But Hawkins had an ever better record in the WAC and couldn't cut it in the Big 12. On the other hand, both Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler came out of the MAC. His age is okay and as long as he doesn't have active cancer, the health stuff doesn't sound too serious.
 

Great Plains Gopher said:
In many respects, he looks good - especially in turning around several programs. But Hawkins had an ever better record in the WAC and couldn't cut it in the Big 12. On the other hand, both Woody Hayes and Bo Schembechler came out of the MAC. His age is okay and as long as he doesn't have active cancer, the health stuff doesn't sound too serious.
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This is what is bugging me the most during this process. Just because a coach came from a weak conference and fails at the higher level doesn't mean everyone will. Every coach has to start somewhere. Nobody just starts their coaching career at Notre Dame (some do work their way up). Point is, everyone has an example of someone similar that failed. Wacker came from Texas ran a high scoring offense and failed so Sumlin will. Really? Does it matter if he is from Texas or Alaska? Aren't these guys personalties completely different? The differences never end. Same thing with Peterson and Hawkins. All coaches are not created equally.
 

Buck the Fadgers said:
This is what is bugging me the most during this process. Just because a coach came from a weak conference and fails at the higher level doesn't mean everyone will. Every coach has to start somewhere. Nobody just starts their coaching career at Notre Dame (some do work their way up). Point is, everyone has an example of someone similar that failed. Wacker came from Texas ran a high scoring offense and failed so Sumlin will. Really? Does it matter if he is from Texas or Alaska? Aren't these guys personalties completely different? The differences never end. Same thing with Peterson and Hawkins. All coaches are not created equally.
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Its been starting to annoy me as well. You can find an example of somebody who has failed in every situation imaginable, be it NFL to college, college to NFL, small school to big school, etc. The same can be said for individual game results. To say that Sumlin is a bad candidate because he lost to UCF or Calhoun isn't a good coach because he lost to Brewster is ridiculous.
 

RodentRampage said:
If we hire Kill, he will probably want to bring his staff with him. If Northern Illinois makes it to a bowl game, how would that work? Would be coach through the bowl game, or would be start here right away? If he took his staff with him, and came here before NIU's bowl game, who would be left to coach in the bowl game?
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That sounds more like NIU's problem than the U's, if that was the scenario! :cool02:
 


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