Izzo supports 3 yr rule prior to NBA

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http://www.freep.com/article/201102...ate-s-Tom-Izzo-supports-3-year-rule-prior-NBA

EAST LANSING -- Toward the end of ESPN's "College GameDay" broadcast from East Lansing on Saturday, analysts Jay Bilas and Hubert Davis discussed the possibility of a rule that would keep college basketball players out of the NBA until they're three years removed from high school. A bookend rule could allow players who want to skip college to go directly to the NBA again. (Many observers think that number would be small.)

Michigan State coach Tom Izzo was so impressed by the discussion, he said he was going to send a tape to the National Association of Basketball Coaches, of which he is president.
"I thought Hubert and Jay were unbelievable," he said. They were "talking about the benefits for everybody, (how) everybody is losing (now)."
Izzo said the arrangement -- prep players must wait a year before joining the NBA -- "is hurting basketball, in general." He says the lack of continuity is bad for college hoops and the rules hurt the NBA more.
"When the NBA figures out it has spoiled potential millionaires instead of, you know, performance millionaires, I think everybody is going to benefit," he said.
In other words, let the players stay in school and mature and grow before heading to professional ball.
Under the system now, Izzo also pointed out, players become stigmatized for staying in school. He cited MSU's Durrell Summers.
" 'If I stay in school another year, am I a failure?' The answer is no, but the perception is, maybe, yes," Izzo said.
As for the likelihood of the rule being implemented? Don't count on it.
"I don't think the agents will let it," Izzo said.

 

[justthefacts]

The NBA implemented the one year rule because the washout rate of HS players was so high. What motivation would they have to keep freshmen and sophomores out of the league?

People forget that the NCAA can't implement a rule like this, it has to be the NBA.

 

[howeda7]

It works well for MLB, it can work for the NBA too. Let the obvious talents like Kobe and James come right in and tell the others to commit to thier school instead of going to class for 1 whole semester. Frankly, it would probably hurt the Gophers more then help since we don't get much 1-and-done talent, but I still think it would make the game better.

 

[Duthasmon Smith]

Just get rid of the one year deal in general. Too bad if high school kids are washing out in the NBA. This one year rule is bad for college basketball. 3 years? That's fine. One year is ridiculous. Let the kids go oversees ala Brandon Jennings if they don't want to attend college classes to play bb.

 

[Monty519]

First of all, these agents and pundits have GOT to be honest about a draft prospect's chances of 1st round selection. Too often kids are basically lied to, which leads to their declaration, and then they end up getting screwed over. For the HSers debating whether to go pro, they need to get good info, and that's on the people surrounding them to help them make informed decisions.

But I totally agree, in that once you enter college, you should be stuck there for at least 2, I'd prefer 3 years. I think it would help both parties actually, the NBA doesn't see as much iffy talent that ends up in the L and players come in more refined, and you also see a better college game with more experience out there on the floor.

 

[Khaliq]

The existing rule should not exist let alone be expanded to three years. The idea that GMs need to be protected from making stupid decisions is ludicrous and a player should be free to take the risk and jump into the draft right after high school if he feels that's best.

 

[Monty519]

The existing rule should not exist let alone be expanded to three years. The idea that GMs need to be protected from making stupid decisions is ludicrous and a player should be free to take the risk and jump into the draft right after high school if he feels that's best.

With the rule they propose, they would have the option to go pro out of high school. But, once they enroll in school, that's when the 3 years kicks in.

 

[Dr.Don]

If a kid does NOT have a Bachelors Degree minimum, he can NOT become an NBA player. Very Simple. All the NBA has to do is implement that. End of problem. But we need to realize, it is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I would rather watch High School and College Basketball than NBA Basketball any day.

 

[gall0249]

Why can't the NFL and NBA use the MLB/NHL draft process. Draft the kids whenever. And when the team wants to bring them up to play, then the player can go pro and get paid. But don't let teams bring up kids during the season.

 

[GopherFan75]

If a kid does NOT have a Bachelors Degree minimum, he can NOT become an NBA player. Very Simple. All the NBA has to do is implement that. End of problem. But we need to realize, it is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I would rather watch High School and College Basketball than NBA Basketball any day.

That would certainly take a lot of players out of the game. It also might make the NBA more of a white man's league.

 

[Dr.Don]

Why can't the NFL and NBA use the MLB/NHL draft process. Draft the kids whenever. And when the team wants to bring them up to play, then the player can go pro and get paid. But don't let teams bring up kids during the season.

WHY???? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


All people have to do is quit going to the God Damned Games. No Money, No Funny, No $hit.

 

[Ron Johnson Super Fan]

The existing rule should not exist let alone be expanded to three years. The idea that GMs need to be protected from making stupid decisions is ludicrous and a player should be free to take the risk and jump into the draft right after high school if he feels that's best.

+1. The rule is asinine and only exists because the NBA brass thinks it can market players who played one year at a major college more easily than it can a player coming straight from high school. If a player is 18 and ready for the job he should be able to enter the draft rather than make a mockery of college athletics by going to classes for part of a year and pretending to be a student athlete.

 

[mnboiler]

While I don't hate the 1 and done rule as much as some people I wouldn't mind it being changed to either you stay for 2 years or you go straight out of high school. Not a big fan of a 3 and done rule, I know I sound completely biased here and I am, but it simply rewards coaches that can recruit extremely well(either legally, illegally or by entering the gray zone of the NCAA rulebook-I'm looking at you Coach Cal) WAY too much. College basketball shouldn't be about a single star player taking all the shots and lazy defense(thats whats wrong with the NBA) it should be about teamwork, great defense, students, and playing in a college arena.

But also to play devils advocate remember how crappy CBB was back in the early 2000, certainly HS to the NBA had something to do with that along with many other factors.

 

[justthefacts]

Everyone is missing the point

Duthasmon Smith: "Too bad if high school kids are washing out in the NBA. This one year rule is bad for college basketball" IT IS THE NBA'S RULE!

Khaliq: "The idea that GMs need to be protected from making stupid decisions is ludicrous." Why is it ludicrous? You're basically saying, 'The NBA trying to improve it's product is ludicrous.'

Dr.Don: "If a kid does NOT have a Bachelors Degree minimum, he can NOT become an NBA player. Very Simple. All the NBA has to do is implement that. End of problem. But we need to realize, it is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$ and more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" The NBA is trying to make money?!?! It's a for-profit enterprise, what do you expect?

Ron Johnson Super Fan: "The rule is asinine and only exists because the NBA brass thinks it can market players who played one year at a major college more easily than it can a player coming straight from high school." The NBA is making rules with the sole purpose of improving its business prospects?!?! The horror!

 

[Duthasmon Smith]

Duthasmon Smith: "Too bad if high school kids are washing out in the NBA. This one year rule is bad for college basketball" IT IS THE NBA'S RULE!

Khaliq: "The idea that GMs need to be protected from making stupid decisions is ludicrous." Why is it ludicrous? You're basically saying, 'The NBA trying to improve it's product is ludicrous.'

Dr.Don: "If a kid does NOT have a Bachelors Degree minimum, he can NOT become an NBA player. Very Simple. All the NBA has to do is implement that. End of problem. But we need to realize, it is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$ and more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$" The NBA is trying to make money?!?! It's a for-profit enterprise, what do you expect?

Ron Johnson Super Fan: "The rule is asinine and only exists because the NBA brass thinks it can market players who played one year at a major college more easily than it can a player coming straight from high school." The NBA is making rules with the sole purpose of improving its business prospects?!?! The horror!

Umm....last I checked, colleges are not the minor leagues for the NBA. Not that difficult of a concept.

 

[jovs]

The one year rule was thought to help both College and the Pro's. A three year rule will hurt the kids that are good enough to play in the NBA, it might help a couple of spoiled, overpaid, college coaches but that is about it.

Anyone that is a free market advocate can't get behind this rule.

How much would a rule like this cost Kevin Durant.

 

[dpodoll68]

Why can't the NFL and NBA use the MLB/NHL draft process. Draft the kids whenever. And when the team wants to bring them up to play, then the player can go pro and get paid. But don't let teams bring up kids during the season.

That's not how the MLB draft process works.

 

[justthefacts]

Umm....last I checked, colleges are not the minor leagues for the NBA. Not that difficult of a concept.

Not sure what your point is, but doesn't it just reinforce my argument. Since the NCAA is not a minor league for the NBA, the NBA has no commercial interest in ensuring that NCAA basketball is high-quality.

And if the NCAA doesn't like it I'm sure they can encourage its players to move on to the Russian basketball leagues.

 

[Duthasmon Smith]

What I'm saying is the one year rule is bad for college basketball. Get rid of the one year rule and quit using the NCAA as your minor leagues. The NBA is at best hard to watch and at it's worst, down right boring. If the kids are really good enough to declare out of HS let them do it. If they wash out of the NBA go back to college and get a degree. The NBA is attempting to mitigate their own risk at the expense of college basketball with this rule.

Make sense?

 

[justthefacts]

What I'm saying is the one year rule is bad for college basketball. Get rid of the one year rule and quit using the NCAA as your minor leagues. The NBA is at best hard to watch and at it's worst, down right boring. If the kids are really good enough to declare out of HS let them do it. If they wash out of the NBA go back to college and get a degree. The NBA is attempting to mitigate their own risk at the expense of college basketball with this rule.

Make sense?

I'll quote Slaughterhouse 5:

Over the years, people I've met have often asked me what I'm working on, and I've usually replied that the main thing was a book about Dresden.

I said that to Harrison Starr, the movie-maker, one time, and he raised his eyebrows and inquired, "Is it an anti-war book?"

"Yes," I said. "I guess."

"You know what I say to people when I hear they're writiing anti-war books?"

"No. What do you say, Harrison Starr?"

"I say 'Why don't you write an anti-glacier book instead?'"

 

[Ron Johnson Super Fan]

The NBA is making rules with the sole purpose of improving its business prospects?!?! The horror![/U]

I think you are missing my point. The NBA is improving its business prospects at the expense of making a mockery of the amateur student-athlete concept. If you are fine with that I can see where you would have no problem with the rule. Unfortunately (from my perspective) most people are, including the people in charge of the NCAA.

 

[justthefacts]

I think you are missing my point. The NBA is improving its business prospects at the expense of making a mockery of the amateur student-athlete concept. If you are fine with that I can see where you would have no problem with the rule. Unfortunately (from my perspective) most people are, including the people in charge of the NCAA.

I guess I missed the part where the NBA should be expected to uphold the student-athlete ideal. That's the NCAA's job, one they do an awful job of, BTW.

I prefer the NCAA to the NBA by 1000%, and I certainly wish every basketball player would play 4 years of college hoops. But if you're going to expect the NBA to make decisions solely in hopes of helping college basketball, you may as well start hoping that the companies on the Dow Jones become non-profits and start pouring their margins back into inner-city education.

I'm as liberal as they come, but you're tilting at windmills.

 

[Ron Johnson Super Fan]

I guess I missed the part where the NBA should be expected to uphold the student-athlete ideal. That's the NCAA's job, one they do an awful job of, BTW.

I prefer the NCAA to the NBA by 1000%, and I certainly wish every basketball player would play 4 years of college hoops. But if you're going to expect the NBA to make decisions solely in hopes of helping college basketball, you may as well start hoping that the companies on the Dow Jones become non-profits and start pouring their margins back into inner-city education.

I'm as liberal as they come, but you're tilting at windmills.

I don't disagree that there is no easy solution and that the NCAA can't force the NBA to change their rule. Their only option to combat it (if they wanted to) would be to make freshman ineligible again and force the "one and dones" to play overseas for their year.

That said I won't forfeit my right to dislike the rule and bitch about it on an internet message board.