It's gonna hurt for awhile, been hurting for awhile, points of positivity

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Just got back into town,
liver is a paler shade of green than Sat.

I see a few things to hang our hopes on.

Our OL is awful right now, but enough of the kids redshirting, been redshirted, and current recruits have potential, frames, and athleticism to be molded in a few years, Limegrover had NIU absolutely rolling over opponents with a much less heralded OL, it's gonna take time for him to get this young group to work like he wants.

Our QB situation is bad right now, but Gray has shown athleticism enough to be some sort of weapon, whether that be a change of pace QB/WR/RB/whatever, and Shortell will improve every snap he takes, which should be alot by the end of this year. Nelson and Leidner seem fairly impressive, 1-2 year from now we should have experience and options to throw at a competitor and the cream will have risen to the top so to speak as far as the coaches knowing who can make plays with proper reads/throws/runs, etc.

Our defense is awful, but I can't help but think Claeys' defenses have always depended on a pass rush, of which we have absolutely none right now. Amaefula is small, but he's shown as much now as anyone, Cockran is dripping with potential, but he's about 30 lbs too light to be playing right now, recruiting guys who can get to the passer will help all levels of the D.

We're going to be bad this year, really, really bad. All this is assuming Kill can come back at some point and sift through the rubble and ash to find the current and future players he likes to plug into his systems.
If he cannot come back, we are in a new class of trouble, but no need to go there.

Best bottom line outlook:
Kill comes back ok.
We steal a rivalry game/conference game somewhere.
We improve as Big Ten play moves on, we have players in place for the offseason.
Maturi is removed, preferably by force by Kaler in some elaborate apology to Minnesota fans for the years of disservice this POS has thrown upon us.
We wrap up the recruiting class with a handful of speed/system guys.
Spring is less of a chore for the coaches(guys know what to do)
Starters emerge early in fall, coaches can scheme more with their base personnel figured out.
We prove relatively solid against NC foes winning games we should.
Win 2-3 conference games, finish respectively.
2013 sees some of the trademark upsets Kill has had in his past, lower tier bowl
2014 We emerge with multi year starters at numerous positions, redshirts on developmental recruits, a handful of key starters with star quality, win 8-9, reap rewards and bask in relative warmth of winning.
Seems a long way from the cold dark place we're in right now, but I think it's closer to reality than anything else barring some other new low rearing its head.
 

Nice post..

I just can't help but hear the chorus as "next year." We've been hearing that for many years. But yeah, just love watching the guys improve. At least they seem like they are trying, unlike the Brewster years where they appeared apathetic.
 

I just can't help but hear the chorus as "next year." We've been hearing that for many years. But yeah, just love watching the guys improve. At least they seem like they are trying, unlike the Brewster years where they appeared apathetic.

Yep, it gets old, but really what choice do we have right now?
It's not a quick fix.
 

Reading that was like sipping some real homemade hot chocolate on a cold winter day.

Thanks Ole.
 

Well thought out "take a step back & attempt to take a look at the big picture" post.

One thing that I've learned through these first 4 games; you can try to teach fundamentals, discipline & everything that goes along with it, but it is difficult for it to be instilled over a 1 spring practice period and 1 fall camp & preseason. We can, as fans, all assume stuff like "two men & motion? That garbage should be learned when you're in 9th grade." But clearly, little things like this aren't.

I thought we could go 5-7 before the year; I was clearly wrong because I don't know as much as thought I did about watching football, along with nearly everyone here. Kill was saying from the beginning that it reminded him of Southern Illinois. We all thought he was just saying it to lower expectations. He knew what he was talking about.

Improve on the little things; if a few little things get better each & every week, I'll take it as a step forward at this point in time.
 


The fundamentals, techniques, and awareness is so severely lacking on this squad it's amazing. You wanna know why NMSU and NDSU looked so good against our team? It's because we either don't know where to be, where to go, or how to get there with a guy in front of us.

The physical stuff is what everyone including myself seem to key on, "well we should run X team all over the field because we're faster and stronger" It doesn't matter how fast you are if you take bad angles, make a wrong read, shoot a wrong gap, round off a route, etc.

My only expectation going forward is that this stuff gets cleaned up and we tackle, read and block properly, by the last week of the season.

That said, get well Coach Kill so we can get back to worrying about uniforms, star ratings vs offers, and concessions.
 

The fundamentals, techniques, and awareness is so severely lacking on this squad it's amazing. You wanna know why NMSU and NDSU looked so good against our team? It's because we either don't know where to be, where to go, or how to get there with a guy in front of us.

The physical stuff is what everyone including myself seem to key on, "well we should run X team all over the field because we're faster and stronger" It doesn't matter how fast you are if you take bad angles, make a wrong read, shoot a wrong gap, round off a route, etc.

My only expectation going forward is that this stuff gets cleaned up and we tackle, read and block properly, by the last week of the season.

That said, get well Coach Kill so we can get back to worrying about uniforms, star ratings vs offers, and concessions.

Thanks for being one of the voices of reason out there, Ole... and for making me laugh this morning. I needed it!
 

Very nice post Ole. After watching the last two weeks a few things have become apparent. The first being that this team has some talent but play slow. Our guys, especially Quarterbacks, obviously don't have the playbook figured out. Along with the defense, our QB's are indecisive and unsure. MarQueis needs to pull the trigger on throws. There was an instance against NDSU where it looked like we ran three nearly identical route patterns in a row. In all three cases the reciever/tight end that ran a skinny post or go route right up the seam was wide open. MarQueis on first down missed him and got sacked. On Second down he saw it late and threw high, incomplete. On third down Shortell was in and nailed him for a gain of 10-15. If Marqueis can start to see the field and be confident he will be really dangerous.
The second thing that is apparent is that this team has absolutely no room for error. You can see that there is young, raw talent on the field but they're not good enough yet to make up for mistakes. Against Miami (OH) we had no turnovers, did good on 3rd downs on both sides of the ball and limited stupid penalties. The result, Win, a close win, but a win. Against NDSU we had two pick-sixes and were terrible on 3rd downs especially on defense. We could not get off the damn field and compounded the problem by committing three stupid penalties to keep the Bison on the field on their very first drive. Those things are unacceptable and probably cost us the game. Even with all of our self-inflicted wounds we still had a chance to tie late in the fourth until another turnover-touchdown, again unacceptable.
If these guys continue to learn the system and play disciplined and smart, we should see noticible improvement heading into the offseason. Teams can make the turn in a hurry once it starts to click.
 

The fundamentals, techniques, and awareness is so severely lacking on this squad it's amazing. You wanna know why NMSU and NDSU looked so good against our team? It's because we either don't know where to be, where to go, or how to get there with a guy in front of us.

The physical stuff is what everyone including myself seem to key on, "well we should run X team all over the field because we're faster and stronger" It doesn't matter how fast you are if you take bad angles, make a wrong read, shoot a wrong gap, round off a route, etc.

My only expectation going forward is that this stuff gets cleaned up and we tackle, read and block properly, by the last week of the season.

That said, get well Coach Kill so we can get back to worrying about uniforms, star ratings vs offers, and concessions.

Bingo, this is how I've felt since Kill got here. You notice when Kill talks about this team. He never says it lacks the talent to compete in the B1G. He just talks about how much work it's gonna be to change the culture here and get these guys playing winning type football. I was completely naive about just how bad it was with Brewster, but it's quite clear now things were not in good shape. He recruited some good H.S. athletes, but not many were groomed into great college players. I don't think the teaching was anywhere near where it needed to be, and that is the challenge Kill is facing.
 



I told myself in July that I wasn't gonna get my hopes up for this season because I knew it would be a rough year, but all of the hype got to me and I got too excited. Not gonna make that mistake again!
 

The fundamentals, techniques, and awareness is so severely lacking on this squad it's amazing. You wanna know why NMSU and NDSU looked so good against our team? It's because we either don't know where to be, where to go, or how to get there with a guy in front of us.

The physical stuff is what everyone including myself seem to key on, "well we should run X team all over the field because we're faster and stronger" It doesn't matter how fast you are if you take bad angles, make a wrong read, shoot a wrong gap, round off a route, etc.

My only expectation going forward is that this stuff gets cleaned up and we tackle, read and block properly, by the last week of the season.

That said, get well Coach Kill so we can get back to worrying about uniforms, star ratings vs offers, and concessions.

+1. Well Said sir. I have been really dissapointed this year. But as always, I seem to expect too much from our team in years like this. Hopefully we can improve game-to-game from here on out! That Coach Kill gets well soon as well! Go Gophers!
 

Our team, one play/position at a time...

Kill knows how to coach. Finally these guys each have the opportunity to reach their personal best, and simultaneously gel as a team that overachieves. Enjoy the Show!
 

The fundamentals, techniques, and awareness is so severely lacking on this squad it's amazing. You wanna know why NMSU and NDSU looked so good against our team? It's because we either don't know where to be, where to go, or how to get there with a guy in front of us.

The physical stuff is what everyone including myself seem to key on, "well we should run X team all over the field because we're faster and stronger" It doesn't matter how fast you are if you take bad angles, make a wrong read, shoot a wrong gap, round off a route, etc.

My only expectation going forward is that this stuff gets cleaned up and we tackle, read and block properly, by the last week of the season.

That said, get well Coach Kill so we can get back to worrying about uniforms, star ratings vs offers, and concessions.

No substitute for repititions, unfortunately.

On a side note, am I not the only one that thinks the tackling actually HAS been a little better than in previous years? So far, the most frustrating missed tackles have been "should have been" sacks that slipped through the fingers. Other than that, and a few bad angles, I don't recall nearly as many missed tackles as in previous seasons. Maybe I'm wrong...
 



This thread is a breath of fresh air in a forum that's burning and where every other thread is filled with smoke.

Not just great OP, but great replies as well.

Well done
 

Thanks Ole for the refreshing perspective. It has been quite depressing to read Gopherhole with all the negativity of late.

I hope Coach Kill wasn't reading all the comments here. Some of them have been blatantly raw. We've become conditioned like Pavlovian dogs to have high hopes & then expect to come crashing down with the worse outcome. Gopher fans have suffered for too long.

My prediction is that this team will get better as the season progresses. Watch out. They are bound to upset some teams down the road. It will be nice to win some games towards the end of the season carrying over all the good work towards Spring practice and into next season.

We wish Coach Kill the very best working and overcoming his health issues, and we hope he comes bad because we need him. His team needs him. Hw will turn this program around.
 

This thread is a breath of fresh air in a forum that's burning and where every other thread is filled with smoke.

Not just great OP, but great replies as well.

Well done

+1

I really hope that the Gophers are heading to be where NDSU is now. A team that might not have the same amount of talent as the teams they compete against, but they execute to perfection, so remain competitive. It will take some time to get to that point, but I really think Kill is moving the team in that direction.
 

No substitute for repititions, unfortunately.

On a side note, am I not the only one that thinks the tackling actually HAS been a little better than in previous years? So far, the most frustrating missed tackles have been "should have been" sacks that slipped through the fingers. Other than that, and a few bad angles, I don't recall nearly as many missed tackles as in previous seasons. Maybe I'm wrong...

No doubt that practice and repetitions are important. Who could possibly disagree with that? I don't. Which makes Russell Wilson all the more remarkable. He missed spring ball in Madison, played no football in May, June and most of July, arrived on campus in July, and is already able to run and execute the offense as if he's been in the system for 5 years. He's a strong candidate for the Heisman Trophy and stands at only 5 feet, 11 inches tall. If you're bright (he graduated early from N.C. State) and gifted, that's probably one substitute for repetitions. Wonder how highly he was recruited?

Unfortunately, for numerous reasons, we'll never know whether Q (a fine young man) had what it took to be a big time college quarterback.
 

No doubt that practice and repetitions are important. Who could possibly disagree with that? I don't. Which makes Russell Wilson all the more remarkable. He missed spring ball in Madison, played no football in May, June and most of July, arrived on campus in July, and is already able to run and execute the offense as if he's been in the system for 5 years. He's a strong candidate for the Heisman Trophy and stands at only 5 feet, 11 inches tall. If you're bright (he graduated early from N.C. State) and gifted, that's probably one substitute for repetitions. Wonder how highly he was recruited?

Unfortunately, for numerous reasons, we'll never know whether Q (a fine young man) had what it took to be a big time college quarterback.

Wait.. Really? How so, is his leg broken and and un-fix-able? The guy has 2 years left including this year. I think by the time he is done at TheU we'll know if he has/had what it takes/took to be a big time college QB. But now? It's his 4th game as full time QB.
 

Let's keep things in perspective, when a lot of us fell in love with coach kill and became far more optimistic because of it, started to throw out "why couldn't we win 6 or 7 games?" threads, coach kill from the very beginning and never once faltered on the sentiment, that this is going to be a long haul to rebuild this team. He knew it long before we did and he never once got over optimistic and always knew AND forewarned us how long it may take. Time for Gopher fans to take the word, experience and wisdom of a program builder. After 4 games a lot of fans believe kill has no clue what he's doing or how to win here, after 4 games and his prior word, it's clear to me coach knows EXACTLY what he's doing and what it'll take to fix this, here.
 

Bingo, this is how I've felt since Kill got here. You notice when Kill talks about this team. He never says it lacks the talent to compete in the B1G. He just talks about how much work it's gonna be to change the culture here and get these guys playing winning type football. I was completely naive about just how bad it was with Brewster, but it's quite clear now things were not in good shape. He recruited some good H.S. athletes, but not many were groomed into great college players. I don't think the teaching was anywhere near where it needed to be, and that is the challenge Kill is facing.

Monty, there are a lot of mean spirited guys on here, and I want you to know that what I'm about to say isn't meant to be mean or to think I'm better than you. Although Coach Kill has plenty of great qualities, he has repeatedly stated both openly and in a more subtle way that he clearly lacks the talent to compete in the B1G. Interestingly, shortly thereafter, he will take responsibility for the level of play. The fact he does both bothers me.
 

Wait.. Really? How so, is his leg broken and and un-fix-able? The guy has 2 years left including this year. I think by the time he is done at TheU we'll know if he has/had what it takes/took to be a big time college QB. But now? It's his 4th game as full time QB.

Formo, although I certainly agree that in two years we will know a lot more about Q as a QB, I respectfully disagree that we will know if he could've become a big time collegiate QB. There have simply been way too many complicating factors that have worked against him. At the end of the next two years, he'll still only be (in my humble opinion) 50% of what he could've evolved into had he been handled differently, given a strong supporting cast, and enjoyed 5 years under one system. Hope that makes more sense.
 

Formo, although I certainly agree that in two years we will know a lot more about Q as a QB, I respectfully disagree that we will know if he could've become a big time collegiate QB. There have simply been way too many complicating factors that have worked against him. At the end of the next two years, he'll still only be (in my humble opinion) 50% of what he could've evolved into had he been handled differently, given a strong supporting cast, and enjoyed 5 years under one system. Hope that makes more sense.

Yes, makes a ton more sense. You made it sound like after 4 weeks, he is finished at QB. I agree with your take in that we'd know more if he were QBing us for 4-5 years vs. the 2 years he will eventually have.

But it is what it is. I agree that he gives us a great chance in every game.. as long as our OL can give him some room and he can learn to keep his eyes downfield while avoiding the pass rush. Well, there are a ton more one could add here.. but those are my biggest issues with Q's QBing.
 




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