Is Tubby exaggerating?

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He said on his show this week that his freshman class has played much better than he expected and added that he thinks they are the best freshman class he has ever recruited. Yikes. I replayed it to make sure i heard it correctly.
 

probably

but what have you seen from Armelin, Walker and Hollins that have made you say, "boy I wish they weren't on the court"? I haven't seen much.
 

Cornell

In my opinion, Chip Saved/Won the Cornell game with his 5 minute shift late in he second half. His 3, behind the back pass and his driving two came at clutch and I mean CLUTCH times. Hollins is as steady as a rock, and Big Mo had 10 and 5 in 15 minutes. How could Tubby not be jazzed?
 

If Tubby is taking the long (4 year view), he might be telling the truth.
 



Doc1001 said:
He said on his show this week that his freshman class has played much better than he expected and added that he thinks they are the best freshman class he has ever recruited. Yikes. I replayed it to make sure i heard it correctly.
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Maybe a little(or a lot) but it's hard to argue with the results. I love Chip and the skill set he brings to the team. Mo easily out played our other two big men last game. Austin can shot and is sneaky good around the rim. Maverick is steady and shooting 90% from the line. O2 and E2 get a year to sit and improve their strength for next season which is huge for them and us because we really don't need them this year. Zero off the court problems (knock on wood) equals a very nice freshman class. I'm sure FOT will find a class at Kentucky that would kill this group but I'm lovin them right now.
 

Maybe he wasn't talking strictly talent. Maybe he was including maturity and work ethic as well, in which case maybe it isn't that much of a stretch.
 

glovedgopher said:
Maybe a little(or a lot) but it's hard to argue with the results. I love Chip and the skill set he brings to the team. Mo easily out played our other two big men last game. Austin can shot and is sneaky good around the rim. Maverick is steady and shooting 90% from the line. O2 and E2 get a year to sit and improve their strength for next season which is huge for them and us because we really don't need them this year. Zero off the court problems (knock on wood) equals a very nice freshman class. I'm sure FOT will find a class at Kentucky that would kill this group but I'm lovin them right now.
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His best (results) from a 4 year class at UK came from his 2000 class - Cliff Hawkins, Gerald Fitch, and Erik Daniels all played solid for 4 years. The highest rated recruit (Jason Parker) got injured as a sophomore but had a very good frosh year.
 

When you consider the size of the class as well as the way they have played in their 1st month at MN Gophers, I personally think this is correct.

2007--Hoffarber and Nolen
2008--Iverson, Joseph and Sampson--a nice foundation
2009--White and Williams--2 on 5 doesn't cut it, much less 1 on 5
2010--Ahanmisi, Armelin, Hollins, Walker and eventually another guy or 2

What year do you put Mbakwe in?

Inside--Walker has the potential to be as good as any of them
Wings--Armelin has the potential to be as good as Williams, probably not as good as Hoff
Guards--Hollins has plenty of upside, hard to compare with Nolen, e.g., different kinds of players, but I would agree that Ahanmisi and Hollins are never going to be as good as Hoffarber and Nolen

Still, I think Tubby is correct, regardless of whether you're talking about what they've contributed as freshmen or whether you're talking the long haul.
 



I think you have to include Oto, Halverson and Elliott in this class with Hollins, Chip, Mo and Mav.

They are all Fr or first year with the team...if you look at this group...you have a serviceable PG, talented slasher at 2, a solid shooter at 3 and a big man that can score playing this year and redshirting you have a big wing player, a small PF with some skill and a tall kid who might be a good big in 3 years of weight room.

If Tubby can add a PF that can rebound we would be in great shape going forward...add next year a top wing player and a extremely talented combo guard and things are looking good...especially when you consider who comes back next year.

I am excited about how well this team will compete next year and the depth of scorers we will have...something we haven't had in a very long time...when was the last time we could bring two skilled bigs and three big time scorers off the bench? Im going to say never...we will have that next year...
 

Agree with most of your post...

sunnyday2 said:
, but I would agree that Ahanmisi and Hollins are never going to be as good as Hoffarber and Nolen.
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Agree on the Nolen/Ahanmisi comparison, but disagree on the Hoffarber/Hollins one. There is nothing that suggests to me that Hollins will not be as good as the Hoff. Hollins is more versatile and athletic. This is not a knock on Hoff - he's been a great player for us. But I see no reason why Hollins will not equal or surpass his skills.
 

From the Barn said:
If Tubby is taking the long (4 year view), he might be telling the truth.
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Exactly. This is a 4 year crew that might resemble what upperclassmen at Gonzaga have been accomplishing during the last 10 years and what Northern Iowa got last year from an unheralded group. The frosh crew could be an amazing supporting cast if Tubby can get lucky with someone like Andre Hollins becoming an All Big Ten player.

I wonder if paradigms will switch towards recruiting 5* types (and their parents, advisors, and entourages) with plans for a short pit stop to showcase their talents and with the expectation for offenses to run through them so The League scouts can have highlight tapes of their skills.
 

Well documented on GopherHole that Oto is a combination of Dirk Nowitzki and Pau Gasol only with more upside :)

This class has definitely overachieved (don't these guys know they don't have 4-5 stars). Also, really appreciate the lack of drama.

I think EE also has promise, in Canada he reminded me of Colton as a freshman.
 



akgopher said:
....I wonder if paradigms will switch towards recruiting 5* types (and their parents, advisors, and entourages) with plans for a short pit stop to showcase their talents and with the expectation for offenses to run through them so The League scouts can have highlight tapes of their skills.
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I can only pray that this does not happen. IMO the beauty of CBB is watching kids and sqauds develop and mature over time. If you want to see a fabulous one&done. Wait a year and follow the NBA show.
 

Best ever? Hard to believe that he didn't have a better class at Kentucky. I will leave that up to FOT to debate.

However, if he is talking about his recruiting classes just here at MN, perhaps he is correct....hard to tell. Joseph, Sampson and Colton have been pretty solid.

The good part is that every one of these recruiting classes were better than Monson. Plus we have a couple of great great players coming in next year.

I hope we continue to have Tubby for many more years as we continue to reload each year and make some noise in the big ten.
 

is Tubby exaggerating? For his whole career? Probably? His time at MN? Probably not. In any case it doesn't even register on the Brewster BS meter.
 

howeda7 said:
is Tubby exaggerating? For his whole career? Probably? His time at MN? Probably not. In any case it doesn't even register on the Brewster BS meter.
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LOL - reason #476 to be grateful we have Tubby!
 

howeda7 said:
is Tubby exaggerating? For his whole career? Probably? His time at MN? Probably not. In any case it doesn't even register on the Brewster BS meter.
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From what you just said, howeda7, it sounds like you truly believe that BrewMeister was good at "Blowing Smoke" out of his arse? :)
 

XMan said:
Best ever? Hard to believe that he didn't have a better class at Kentucky. I will leave that up to FOT to debate.

However, if he is talking about his recruiting classes just here at MN, perhaps he is correct....hard to tell. Joseph, Sampson and Colton have been pretty solid.

The good part is that every one of these recruiting classes were better than Monson. Plus we have a couple of great great players coming in next year.

I hope we continue to have Tubby for many more years as we continue to reload each year and make some noise in the big ten.
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At UK, his 2 best (in terms of 4 year accomplishments) were 2000 (headed by Fitch, Daniels, Hawkins, Parker) and 2004 (headed by Crawford, Bradley, Morris, Rondo).
 

Yes, he's exaggerating. I think that's fairly common for him to exaggerate the abilities of our players. Nothing wrong with that though.
 

I think it's too early to tell on most of the freshman. Rodney Williams looked great around this time last year, then was not very effective in Big Ten play.

Speaking of too early: Looking at nexty year, when was the last time Minnesota had this many athletes in the backcourt? Chip, Andre, Austin, Joe, and Devoe? 5 deep? Athletic doesn't mean good at basketball and I don't know if any of them can be the PG we need, but they all appear to have Big Ten athleticism (in this case meaning running, jumping, first step quickness).
 

We'll definitely have some athletic guards. It's nice that our incoming guards can create their own shot and actually shoot, and play some defense.

I'm not sure I'd call Devoe athletic.

EG#9 said:
I think it's too early to tell on most of the freshman. Rodney Williams looked great around this time last year, then was not very effective in Big Ten play.

Speaking of too early: Looking at nexty year, when was the last time Minnesota had this many athletes in the backcourt? Chip, Andre, Austin, Joe, and Devoe? 5 deep? Athletic doesn't mean good at basketball and I don't know if any of them can be the PG we need, but they all appear to have Big Ten athleticism (in this case meaning running, jumping, first step quickness).
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ShowinGoldyLove said:
I agree, and I've seen a few people say this before.

He's not quick, doesn't have blow-by speed, doesn't jump very well nor "quickly"...I wouldn't call Joseph "athletic" either.
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I struggled with putting Devoe on that list, but his play at PG last year convinced me to do so. He's got a good first step which is why he can get off that jumper and was the guy we went to on ISO plays at the end of a couple games last year. Maybe my point would have been stronger without including him.
 

He gets off his shot by going around picks and shooting a lot of fadeaways, or just shooting it with a guy in his face. Definitely not a quick first step though.
 

I cant say I know the most about recruiting classes for Tubby but he has proven time and again he can find and develop players. No one got better under Monson, they all got worse. If Tubby likes his recruiting class, I like his recruiting class. He sees every player every day, we don't. Will it end up his best recruiting class ever? Impossible to say right now but I think for the first 10 games they are playing out of their heads and hopefully it continues.

Key to the season for the incoming players is the development of Mo Walker. I've made it clear I think he will be a stud and he needs to learn now before he has to carry the load when the other "bigs" leave.
 

not many coaches will say they don't like their recruiting class. They recruit the players so they better like them and hope they can develop them if they are not already elite players. Although Tubby had 8 Mcdonalds all americans in his tenure at UK his rosters didn't ever have more than 3 at one time and we've had 5 or 6 since he left. He doesn't like the elite players as much for some reason unless they fit a certain mold.

Considering, I'd say he's done pretty well there. You've had a few kids in the top 100/150 come from out of the area. It's gotta be hard getting top 50 guys outside of your area though, I mean not too many kids in the south want to brave those winters and most of the talent is in the southeast.
 

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