Is Ryan Wynn a Ghost?

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A true freshman starter, the most talented player on that offensive line. Played his true sophmore year and was injured. He basicallly lost a year fell from favor, and was shuffled down the depth chart. A tatlent but where should we play him? The former staff had no use for him. The additional year of healing and we are at his Senior year. The word is, he is the starting center on this years offensive line. Middle of the field, no notice, no reporting. Does he actually exist?
The reporting has been great but on the periphery. Wide reciever, QB, corner, line backer.

The key to any team. Stength up the middle. And that starts at center. It radiates from there. I for one would line more coverage on Wynn, Bunders, and Orton.
 

Maybe no news is good news.
In Wynn's case, he was vastly over matched by the end of 2008 as a redshirt freshman, couldn't have been more than 250 playing RT.
I actually saw him make a few blocks late last season, so he's no ghost.
In Bunders/Wynn/Orton, you may just be bridging a functional strength gap, all have been in the strength program for 5 years, they just might be stop gaps until the redshirt freshmen and true freshmen develop. I for one will be watching how Campion fits in, and how Gjere deals with being thrown to the wolves so to speak against a pretty good Dline on the road at USC.
 

All signs point to Wynn being the starting center this fall. The media likes to focus on the "skill" positions and if they do focus on the O-Line it only relates to the hot name at that moment....Ed Olson, Tommy the Tank, Gjere...etc. There was a brief blog on Wynn and Q I think by MF recently. If you think of it the only time the line gets any attention is when they screw up or fans are not happy with their performance for whatever reason.

I find it very unlikly any true freshmen will be playing next year. The O-line is a strong mans postion and it takes time to devlop the strength and maturity to play in that position. It would be in the best interest for the Gophers not burn a redshirt for next year. They have guys on the O-Line who can handle the job. Also some of the O-Line recruits for this fall are not Kill guys and might not fit in the program.
 

I agree with Husker that this is a story worth telling.

Wynn, Bunders, Orton and Trey Davis all came in as Mason recruits with the 2007 class. Davis quit the team after a couple of season to concentrate on track and field. That trio of lineman, along with Bennett, Jacobs and McGarry are the ONLY leftovers from that Mason/Brewster class of 26.

Wynn, Bunders and Orton have hung in there through all the coaching changes and OL schemes. Now as Sr.s its time to learn another system. It would be rewarding to them if all three can earn starting roles.
 

All signs point to Wynn being the starting center this fall. The media likes to focus on the "skill" positions and if they do focus on the O-Line it only relates to the hot name at that moment....Ed Olson, Tommy the Tank, Gjere...etc. There was a brief blog on Wynn and Q I think by MF recently. If you think of it the only time the line gets any attention is when they screw up or fans are not happy with their performance for whatever reason.

I find it very unlikly any true freshmen will be playing next year. The O-line is a strong mans postion and it takes time to devlop the strength and maturity to play in that position. It would be in the best interest for the Gophers not burn a redshirt for next year. They have guys on the O-Line who can handle the job. Also some of the O-Line recruits for this fall are not Kill guys and might not fit in the program.

Actually many of the OL on the roster this fall will be Kill guys. Bjorklund, Campion and Bush all were offered by Kill, not the prior regime. The McAvoys were probably on Kill's radar but they had their sights set on BCS programs. Lenkiewicz, Epping, Eggen and EO all had NIU offers while Kill was the coach. That leaves TO (from all reports Kill likes him very much), Brooks Michel, Jimmy Gjere (playing with the 1's) and Ferguson as the non-seniors OL on the roster next fall.
 


Actually many of the OL on the roster this fall will be Kill guys. Bjorklund, Campion and Bush all were offered by Kill, not the prior regime. The McAvoys were probably on Kill's radar but they had their sights set on BCS programs. Lenkiewicz, Epping, Eggen and EO all had NIU offers while Kill was the coach. That leaves TO (from all reports Kill likes him very much), Brooks Michel, Jimmy Gjere (playing with the 1's) and Ferguson as the non-seniors OL on the roster next fall.

And Ragoo.
 

Raggo is a real slow guy. I watched him at TCF last Saturday and he had really bad footwork. I don't think he will make it in this system. Epping, Mottla, Lewinski, Michal, and Camp looked pretty good. Gjere did a nice job and EO will do really well I thing this year. Eggen I was not impresed with either.
 

Raggo is a real slow guy. I watched him at TCF last Saturday and he had really bad footwork. I don't think he will make it in this system. Epping, Mottla, Lewinski, Michal, and Camp looked pretty good. Gjere did a nice job and EO will do really well I thing this year. Eggen I was not impresed with either.

Ragoo and the rest of those guys are still freshmen, maybe by his jr year he'll be 350 and have gained more mobility and guys like Eggen, Lenkiewitz, Epping, etc will have picked up the scheme enough to allow them to focus on their techniques more.
Ragoo was never going to be a freshman starter, he was a talented but clearly raw guy in HS worthy of a look simply because he has elite size.
 

Raggo is a real slow guy. I watched him at TCF last Saturday and he had really bad footwork. I don't think he will make it in this system. Epping, Mottla, Lewinski, Michal, and Camp looked pretty good. Gjere did a nice job and EO will do really well I thing this year. Eggen I was not impresed with either.

OK coach
 




I am excited about this group. It has a good mixture of veterans, some touted RSFR and a promising group of incoming FR. This group of OL could be a position of strength down the road assuming Coach Kill can keep on using the RS.
 

Raggo is a real slow guy. I watched him at TCF last Saturday and he had really bad footwork. I don't think he will make it in this system. Epping, Mottla, Lewinski, Michal, and Camp looked pretty good. Gjere did a nice job and EO will do really well I thing this year. Eggen I was not impresed with either.

Appreciate your feedback and informed observations.

More please.
 




This is entirely a layperson's opinion and I could certainly be wrong or whatever, but I have focused on the OL quite a bit.

First off, Bunders, Wynn and Orton are all Mason recruits, but that is about where the comparisons should end. Bunders will be the best (or second best) OL on the team.

Wynn : He got some PT last season. His career was derailed by injuries and he looked OK towards the end of last season. He has gotten a lot bigger and he is supposed to be a pretty smart guy, so it makes a ton of sense that he would be penciled in at #1 on the DC at C. His only real competition should come from Tommy Olson, but I imagine they would rather keep Olson as a G in his first season (keep him from having to learn the blocking assignments and stuff as a true fr).

Orton: He's a versatile guy, he's played all over. However, I think his spot is the one that is most likely up for grabs. His versatility gives him some value in a reserve role and to be honest, he never really looked that good (I could be wrong, and I don't mean to rag on a kid). He does have experience though and experience can go a LONG way.

Bunders: Him and Ed Olson will be the best two OL on the team. I actually thought Bunders was the 2nd best OL last year (behind Wills). He is large, quick, and I think has a legitimate chance of playing at the next level. He has started every single game for the past two seasons (unlike Orton and Wynn).

From what i've seen, to keep it short on the rest of the guys...
Gjere: really athletic, he is about as similar of a player to Ed Olson as it gets. He is probably slightly more athletic but probably not quite as strong as Olson was last season.
Ragoo: I agree that he is a ways away. He could be a monster in a couple seasons. These enormous bodied guys can really improve dramatically (see Jeff Wills). Right now, he is too soft, too slow out of his stance and I would be shocked if he sees much PT at all.
Mottla: Former walk on (I think he received a scholarship offer). He is a hard worker, smart kid, will be a back up to the C and G positions.
Haney: He has actually been more impressive than I was imagining. He could be decent reserve.
Epping: He is kind of one of those nasty pit bull kind of OL.
Campion: He alread looks like an NFL lineman. He is huge but not a softie. He looked pretty quick. Could be end up being real good in a few years.
Michel: I still think he could compete. He isn't as athletic as the other two T's, but he is pretty strong, kind of a nastier player.
Eggen: I didn't notice
Lenk: I didn't notice

I'm probably missing some guys...
 

Bob Loblow

This is entirely a layperson's opinion and I could certainly be wrong or whatever, but I have focused on the OL quite a bit.

I don't know or care if you are a layperson or not but I do care that you present your opinions in a straightford, rational, and clear manner. Thanks for a job well done!
 

A true freshman starter, the most talented player on that offensive line. Played his true sophmore year and was injured. He basicallly lost a year fell from favor, and was shuffled down the depth chart. A tatlent but where should we play him? The former staff had no use for him. The additional year of healing and we are at his Senior year. The word is, he is the starting center on this years offensive line. Middle of the field, no notice, no reporting. Does he actually exist?
The reporting has been great but on the periphery. Wide reciever, QB, corner, line backer.

The key to any team. Stength up the middle. And that starts at center. It radiates from there. I for one would line more coverage on Wynn, Bunders, and Orton.

Good points. Doesn't Wynn have a back injury? I have a back injury and have a completely new perspective on spinal injuries. You can be the toughest, fastest, and strongest guy on the team - but a back/spinal cord injury is tough to recover from. It's hard to tell how serious it is, hopefully they caught the injury in time to minimize the damage. I mis-diagnosed my back injury as a hamstring (sciatica) and played through the pain for 6 months before permanent damage was done. I hope Wynn can stay healthy and contribute.

Lineman, defensive and offensive are probably the most-understood position and thus most under appreciated. That includes me. In most cases, unless you played the position, you probably don't really understand the position. That's my stereotype. I'd love to attend a course or just hang out and learn from people who understand the blocking/rushing schemes, and overall offensive and defensive schemes better.

The only thing I really liked about Mason's teams was that we could and did run on everybody, however it seemed like we could run for 500 yards and still lose.
 

This is entirely a layperson's opinion and I could certainly be wrong or whatever, but I have focused on the OL quite a bit.

First off, Bunders, Wynn and Orton are all Mason recruits, but that is about where the comparisons should end. Bunders will be the best (or second best) OL on the team.

Wynn : He got some PT last season. His career was derailed by injuries and he looked OK towards the end of last season. He has gotten a lot bigger and he is supposed to be a pretty smart guy, so it makes a ton of sense that he would be penciled in at #1 on the DC at C. His only real competition should come from Tommy Olson, but I imagine they would rather keep Olson as a G in his first season (keep him from having to learn the blocking assignments and stuff as a true fr).

Orton: He's a versatile guy, he's played all over. However, I think his spot is the one that is most likely up for grabs. His versatility gives him some value in a reserve role and to be honest, he never really looked that good (I could be wrong, and I don't mean to rag on a kid). He does have experience though and experience can go a LONG way.

Bunders: Him and Ed Olson will be the best two OL on the team. I actually thought Bunders was the 2nd best OL last year (behind Wills). He is large, quick, and I think has a legitimate chance of playing at the next level. He has started every single game for the past two seasons (unlike Orton and Wynn).

From what I've seen, to keep it short on the rest of the guys...
Gjere: really athletic, he is about as similar of a player to Ed Olson as it gets. He is probably slightly more athletic but probably not quite as strong as Olson was last season.
Ragoo: I agree that he is a ways away. He could be a monster in a couple seasons. These enormous bodied guys can really improve dramatically (see Jeff Wills). Right now, he is too soft, too slow out of his stance and I would be shocked if he sees much PT at all.
Mottla: Former walk on (I think he received a scholarship offer). He is a hard worker, smart kid, will be a back up to the C and G positions.
Haney: He has actually been more impressive than I was imagining. He could be decent reserve.
Epping: He is kind of one of those nasty pit bull kind of OL.
Campion: He alread looks like an NFL lineman. He is huge but not a softie. He looked pretty quick. Could be end up being real good in a few years.
Michel: I still think he could compete. He isn't as athletic as the other two T's, but he is pretty strong, kind of a nastier player.
Eggen: I didn't notice
Lenk: I didn't notice

I'm probably missing some guys...

First, good observations, and I think you are right, writing Ragoo off is a mistake. You can't teach huge and smart, and I believe he is a smart kid. They would also probably not be wasting his or their trainer's time on special conditioning drills to get him in good enough condition to practice effectively if they thought he had no chance. This staff really believes in balanced physical development, and Ragoo is not in good enough shape to actually practice the way they want o-linemen to practice at the moment. He is basically doing conditioning work that I assume makes him strong enough to play low enough to be effective, (that is my guess). He is not as tall, but he is bigger than Otis Hudson was, and Otis was the biggest college football player I have ever seen up close. He dwarfs the guys on the dline.
Ragoo could stand to lose weight, but if he was at a great playing weight, he would still be a huge man. Additionally, I believe the number 70 olineman is not Brandon Haney, it is Sean Ferguson who was moved there from defense. Apparently the roster is wrong or I got the wrong information from a guy standing next to me.
Lenkiewicz (RS freshman) was highly thought of by Coach Horton who called him out as one of the future good offensive linemen last fall.
I thought the best dline players yesterday were Jacobs, Kirksey, Hageman, Tauefa, and actually Stommes made a couple of good rushes, but he needs to gain 25+ pounds. Perry is the most fluid guy on the dline, but he needs to get stronger. The two guys who I think have talent, but have not caught on to the aggressiveness and motor required yet to succeed with this staff are Jacques, and Legania. Physically I think those guys have some talent, and I hope they get annoyed enough to get on the train so they have a chance. I think they can be players if they want to be.
Having watched this team practice three times, I can see why a bunch of kids quit the first year at SIU. These practices are not physically brutal, but they are extremely demanding of correct execution. If you are not committed to getting better every day, this will get very old during August two a days. The practices are like basic training; it is physically hard, not brutal, but the demand to execute correctly play after play requires paying attention and hustling hard for two hours at a crack much more than most kids have ever had to do. And they have to do it every day. With this staff, they do not get to pick their level of involvement based on their attitude that day.
The other thing that is absolutely clear is it is no fun to be injured on this team. The guys who are wearing jerseys not allowing them to play do not spend much time watching practice. They are riding bikes, lifting weights and generally having an assistant trainer work their asses off behind the sidelines. Nobody gets to hide on the field, if you can't play you are doing some kind of work that is less fun than doing drills with the team.
 

First, good observations, and I think you are right, writing Ragoo off is a mistake. You can't teach huge and smart, and I believe he is a smart kid. They would also probably not be wasting his or their trainer's time on special conditioning drills to get him in good enough condition to practice effectively if they thought he had no chance. This staff really believes in balanced physical development, and Ragoo is not in good enough shape to actually practice the way they want o-linemen to practice at the moment. He is basically doing conditioning work that I assume makes him strong enough to play low enough to be effective, (that is my guess). He is not as tall, but he is bigger than Otis Hudson was, and Otis was the biggest college football player I have ever seen up close. He dwarfs the guys on the dline.
Ragoo could stand to lose weight, but if he was at a great playing weight, he would still be a huge man. Additionally, I believe the number 70 olineman is not Brandon Haney, it is Sean Ferguson who was moved there from defense. Apparently the roster is wrong or I got the wrong information from a guy standing next to me.
Lenkiewicz (RS freshman) was highly thought of by Coach Horton who called him out as one of the future good offensive linemen last fall.
I thought the best dline players yesterday were Jacobs, Kirksey, Hageman, Tauefa, and actually Stommes made a couple of good rushes, but he needs to gain 25+ pounds. Perry is the most fluid guy on the dline, but he needs to get stronger. The two guys who I think have talent, but have not caught on to the aggressiveness and motor required yet to succeed with this staff are Jacques, and Legania. Physically I think those guys have some talent, and I hope they get annoyed enough to get on the train so they have a chance. I think they can be players if they want to be.
Having watched this team practice three times, I can see why a bunch of kids quit the first year at SIU. These practices are not physically brutal, but they are extremely demanding of correct execution. If you are not committed to getting better every day, this will get very old during August two a days. The practices are like basic training; it is physically hard, not brutal, but the demand to execute correctly play after play requires paying attention and hustling hard for two hours at a crack much more than most kids have ever had to do. And they have to do it every day. With this staff, they do not get to pick their level of involvement based on their attitude that day.
The other thing that is absolutely clear is it is no fun to be injured on this team. The guys who are wearing jerseys not allowing them to play do not spend much time watching practice. They are riding bikes, lifting weights and generally having an assistant trainer work their asses off behind the sidelines. Nobody gets to hide on the field, if you can't play you are doing some kind of work that is less fun than doing drills with the team.


Great post Corc!

Yeah, our opinions of Ragoo are essentially the exact same. He is one of those big guys who can look worse than he is (because of his size) but you are right about not being able to teach that kind of size. Like I said in my earlier post, I don't expect much at all from him this season but he COULD end up being a very good OL.

Good analysis of the DL at practice.

I haven't focused as much on them, but I will definitely do that at the next practice that I go to, and write a little something like I did on the OL. The amount that I say, Jacobs and Hageman probably stood out the most to me. I remember Perry looking really quick on one play as well. I'll be interested to see what guys like Hahn, Delaney, Botticelli look like when I focus on them next time.
 




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