Iowa stops recruiting Seantrel

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I'm surprised this topic hasn't gotten more discussion. Word on the street is that Ferentz declined the Hendersons' invitation for an in-home session.

Couple of possibilities here I suppose, perhaps that Ferentz got word somehow that Seantrel has made up his mind in another direction. Or maybe KF felt burned by Seantrel picking Miami as the 5th official?
 

This just seemede weird to me the first time I heard it. How does anyone even know this info if it's true? I just have a hard time imagining any of the involved parties making this info public.
 


Agree with Schnoods. It just seems so bizarre. Why would KF refuse to make the trip?

Unless, of course, he found out that SH committed to us....

One can hope, right? :)
 

As Eg#9 would say its not official. You did not get a quote from KF, Don't be starting rumors. HAHAHAHAHAHA
 


I'd be very surprised and slightly alarmed (if I were an Iowa fan) if Ferentz decided to stop recruiting the #1 ranked player in the country because "he felt burned" from an official visit - especially since SH has already been down there in person.

Something else must be in play here.
 


As Eg#9 would say its not official. You did not get a quote from KF, Don't be starting rumors. HAHAHAHAHAHA

First off, let it go dude. Let it go. 2nd, unless the Hawkeye Insider guy who wrote the article is lying then the news came from Henderson's dad. Now, he could also be lying I suppose. So feel free to add a grain of salt if you'd like.
 

Ferentz has proven very sensitive in the past- pulling offers and refusing verbals of guys who take visits. I remember that there was something about how he wouldn't let Don Shumpert and Christian Kirksey visit Minnesota or something, saying if they visited he wouldn't accept their verbals. I'm sure I'm massacreing that story but it was something like that.
 



Ferentz has proven very sensitive in the past- pulling offers and refusing verbals of guys who take visits. I remember that there was something about how he wouldn't let Don Shumpert and Christian Kirksey visit Minnesota or something, saying if they visited he wouldn't accept their verbals. I'm sure I'm massacreing that story but it was something like that.

I would probably assume this was the main reason why.
 

Ferentz has proven very sensitive in the past- pulling offers and refusing verbals of guys who take visits. I remember that there was something about how he wouldn't let Don Shumpert and Christian Kirksey visit Minnesota or something, saying if they visited he wouldn't accept their verbals. I'm sure I'm massacreing that story but it was something like that.

I don't know what the scoop is on Henderson, but as to not accepting verbals from some recruits who are still visiting other schools, I can't say that I blame Ferentz or any other coach. From what I have read, Ferentz isn't big on recruits holding a scarce scholarship spot by committing, while fully intending to keep visiting other schools. I assume that he feels that if they are going to keep looking, so is he. If a recruit isn't serious enough about your school to quit taking visits, they probably shouldn't be committing yet. I think that is more of a playing the odds to make sure you don't get burned thing, and not a principle thing, because he lets other school's commits visit Iowa. If you are a big time recruit, perhaps he will gamble on them a bit more and accept a commit while they are still visiting, I don't know. I do know that if a recruit isn't honest with Ferentz about taking other visits, his scholarship offer is history.
 

I don't know what the scoop is on Henderson, but as to not accepting verbals from some recruits who are still visiting other schools, I can't say that I blame Ferentz or any other coach. From what I have read, Ferentz isn't big on recruits holding a scarce scholarship spot by committing, while fully intending to keep visiting other schools. I assume that he feels that if they are going to keep looking, so is he. If a recruit isn't serious enough about your school to quit taking visits, they probably shouldn't be committing yet. I think that is more of a playing the odds to make sure you don't get burned thing, and not a principle thing, because he lets other school's commits visit Iowa. If you are a big time recruit, perhaps he will gamble on them a bit more and accept a commit while they are still visiting, I don't know. I do know that if a recruit isn't honest with Ferentz about taking other visits, his scholarship offer is history.

I know Bo Pelini does the same thing as well.
 

I don't know what the scoop is on Henderson, but as to not accepting verbals from some recruits who are still visiting other schools, I can't say that I blame Ferentz or any other coach. From what I have read, Ferentz isn't big on recruits holding a scarce scholarship spot by committing, while fully intending to keep visiting other schools.

I assume that he feels that if they are going to keep looking, so is he. If a recruit isn't serious enough about your school to quit taking visits, they probably shouldn't be committing yet. I think that is more of a playing the odds to make sure you don't get burned thing, and not a principle thing, because he lets other school's commits visit Iowa.

If you are a big time recruit, perhaps he will gamble on them a bit more and accept a commit while they are still visiting, I don't know. I do know that if a recruit isn't honest with Ferentz about taking other visits, his scholarship offer is history.

Like when he threatened to pull the scholarship from the RB from Florida who was going to visit here.

Like when he continued to recruit Marcus Coker (the RB from Maryland) after Coker had given UMN a verbal)[/B]
 



I think it's a smart use of time/resources by Ferentz if true. I don't know anyone who expects Seantrel to end up at Iowa, so why should Kirk take the time for a home visit during the crucial final weeks of recruiting? If he has a 5% chance to land Seantrel, but a 40% chance to land a good, but not great recruit, he should spend his time on that good recruit and hope to lock him up.
 

I wonder if SH's needs as a player (start quickly and move on to the NFL asap) mesh with Iowa's method of maddness. Plus as others have said, time is precious and it is crunch time.
 

I know Bo Pelini does the same thing as well.

Pelini does have that philosophy.

http://www.huskerextra.com/articles/2009/12/20/football/doc4b2d768e70c1e231163718.txt

Pelini: Recruiting is a 'two-way street'
By Brian Christopherson / Lincoln Journal Star

There’s this term used in recruiting circles. Soft commitment. It more or less means a player is committed to a certain school ... kind of, sort of, maybe, don’t bet your Toyota Corolla on it.

Someone asked Husker coach Bo Pelini after Saturday’s practice his thoughts on that term: soft commit.

“There’s not a lot of soft in my world,” Pelini said, laughing. “It’s like, ‘OK, I’m going to go on a date the night before I walk down the aisle.’ It doesn’t make a lot of sense. I don’t play that game at all.”

So it seems.

While it’s been described that quarterback Tyler Gabbert and wide receiver Curtis Carter recently “decommitted” from Nebraska, both cases seem to be examples of a mutual split between two parties.

Speaking candidly about his recruiting philosophy, Pelini made it clear that he isn’t interested in holding someone on a “commitment” list who still wants to check out other schools — something that seems to have been a factor in both the situations of Carter and Gabbert, who committed to Missouri within a week after parting ways with NU.

“If somebody’s committed to us and they take a visit, they’re not committed,” said Pelini, speaking in general terms. “It’s a two-way street.”

Pelini said it’s important to communicate well with players up-front. “If somebody tells me, ‘Well, I still want to take visits,’ I say, ‘Then don’t commit (yet). Let’s not go down this road.’ It’s as simple as that.”

Pelini said he perhaps has a different philosophy than many coaches.

“I don’t sit there and try to pressure a lot of guys and get them into my office and try to get them to commit,” he said. “They’re 17- or 18-year-old-kids. If you get them to do that, then all of sudden they’re like, ‘Oh, I did it because I felt like I was pressured into doing it.’ And that’s when you have problems.

“I don’t take that approach. I try to be on the same page. I try to communicate well and let them know that the ball is in their court. If you feel you’re ready, commit. If you don’t, don’t. It’s worked well for me in the past. It keeps everybody on the same page from start to finish. I’m not going to try and trick them into committing, because that’s when you end up having problems in the process.”
 

What does all of this have to do with declining an opportunity to sell your school to the highest rated lineman in the country?

Did he flat out ask the Henderson's what his chances were and then declined?
Does Ferentz only do in home visits when it is 50/50?
 

Only an idiot believes Ferentz cooled on the #1 recruit in the nation 2 weeks from signing day. Either Ferentz knows he has 0% chance or he has a mental illness. Only an idiot believes Bo Pelini's policy is the same for a 3 star player as it is for a 5 star player. If the #1 player in the country commits to your school and then wants to look around, the coach isn't going to tell him no. Top players are always treated differently and that's just the way it is.
 

Like when he threatened to pull the scholarship from the RB from Florida who was going to visit here.

Like when he continued to recruit Marcus Coker (the RB from Maryland) after Coker had given UMN a verbal)[/B]

I am not familiar with those examples, but probably yes. Those sound like they fit Ferentz's recruiting in recent years. If a recruit isn't solid in their commitment to another school, Ferentz will still recruit them until they ask him not to. If a recruit is committed to Iowa but wants to test the waters at other schools, he is probably going to pull their scholarship offer (unless its a mega recruit who is worth the gamble--then maybe not) so he can look at other recruits.

Curious, what RB from Florida? Also, this is the first I have ever read about Coker having committed elsewhere before committing to Iowa. Interesting.
 

I'm surprised this topic hasn't gotten more discussion. Word on the street is that Ferentz declined the Hendersons' invitation for an in-home session.

Couple of possibilities here I suppose, perhaps that Ferentz got word somehow that Seantrel has made up his mind in another direction. Or maybe KF felt burned by Seantrel picking Miami as the 5th official?

He heard that Wisconsin cooled on him.
 

Also, this is the first I have ever read about Coker having committed elsewhere before committing to Iowa. Interesting.

Coker never committed to the Gophers. He committed to a visit which somehow got construed as a verbal commitment by a reporter in Washington DC. Coker clarified it the very next day.
 

Coker never committed to the Gophers. He committed to a visit which somehow got construed as a verbal commitment by a reporter in Washington DC. Coker clarified it the very next day.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't thinking straight and didn't even realize that TCF's post was talking about the Gophers. I guess I thought UMN was a school in Maryland or something. Duh, MplsHawk, duh!
 

As much as I hate to say it, I really like Ferentz. It might sound crazy to some, but he's proven himself to be the best coach in the conference and could probably get any NCAA opening and likely could get an NFL Head Coaching job.

He probably got tired of playing the game. He doesn't need to suck up to an 18 year old kid and his attention starved father looking to make a spectacle out of the selection of a college to play football at. He's accomplished too much and is too good of a coach to have to play that game.
 

As much as I hate to say it, I really like Ferentz. It might sound crazy to some, but he's proven himself to be the best coach in the conference and could probably get any NCAA opening and likely could get an NFL Head Coaching job.

He probably got tired of playing the game. He doesn't need to suck up to an 18 year old kid and his attention starved father looking to make a spectacle out of the selection of a college to play football at. He's accomplished too much and is too good of a coach to have to play that game.

I think you might have something there. Why would anyone want to go through a dog and pony show if they didn't have to? Although Brewster doesn't have much of a choice, but to just go for it. If he packed it in on Henderson like Ferentz did, he'd shortly be packing his own bags because he'd be run out of town.
 

Ferentz has proven very sensitive in the past- pulling offers and refusing verbals of guys who take visits. I remember that there was something about how he wouldn't let Don Shumpert and Christian Kirksey visit Minnesota or something, saying if they visited he wouldn't accept their verbals. I'm sure I'm massacreing that story but it was something like that.

He doesn't pull offers to kids who take visits elsewhere. He makes it clear that if they visit somewhere else, he no longer considered them committed and their spot may not be held. His philosophy is basically either you've decided on Iowa or you haven't. If you haven't then that spot may go to someone else who is sure they want to be a Hawkeye. Riley Reiff and the Praters are examples of kids who took other visits (or in Reiff's case actually committed elsewhere) and were still eventually welcomed back.

As for the Henderson thing, I'm assuming he stopped recruiting him because he knew Iowa doesn't have a shot (just like Minnesota!) and didn't want to waste any more time or resources that could be better spent on kids who do have a legit interest in Iowa.
 

He doesn't pull offers to kids who take visits elsewhere. He makes it clear that if they visit somewhere else, he no longer considered them committed and their spot may not be held. His philosophy is basically either you've decided on Iowa or you haven't. If you haven't then that spot may go to someone else who is sure they want to be a Hawkeye. Riley Reiff and the Praters are examples of kids who took other visits (or in Reiff's case actually committed elsewhere) and were still eventually welcomed back.

As for the Henderson thing, I'm assuming he stopped recruiting him because he knew Iowa doesn't have a shot (just like Minnesota!) and didn't want to waste any more time or resources that could be better spent on kids who do have a legit interest in Iowa.

Of course they were welcomed back. It is all just an act, after all.
 

Well there have also been kids who took the visit and lost their spot to someone else, so that's also not the case. He does frown upon it, he just doesn't automatically pull a kid's offer for it.
 

I think you might have something there. Why would anyone want to go through a dog and pony show if they didn't have to? Although Brewster doesn't have much of a choice, but to just go for it. If he packed it in on Henderson like Ferentz did, he'd shortly be packing his own bags because he'd be run out of town.

Except that Minnesota has a legitimate shot and Iowa never did
 

Except that Minnesota has a legitimate shot and Iowa never did

Are you serious? The kid and his dad will play the game until (in his dad's words) THEY are forced to put THEIR cards on the table. The U is getting milked for all of the attention, free tickets, and sideline passes it will pass to them.
 

The dad maybe, but Seantrel and his mom both lean towards the U
 




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