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Did anyone else notice the tipped ball on the 2nd quarter Interference call that essentially gave NW a gift TD?

The ESPN announcers didn't pick up on it, but I noticed in the replay that the underneath receiver reached up for the pass and slightly tipped it, causing the ball to flutter a bit as it reached the WR on the goal line. That is a reviewable play and nobody ever mentioned it and Kill didn't challenge. I was screaming at my TV, "CHALLENGE!"

What woulda been a huge 3rd down stop turned into a TD for them. Cost us at least 4 points and caused us to go for it on 4th down late when we could have taken a cheap shot FG to cut the margain down to a single point. Not sure it woulda made a difference in the game, but we could have been trailing 17-16 with 1 minute left at MF. We woulda had more options in trying to move the ball.

It would be nice to get a few calls from the refs for once. In the Iowa game it seemed every 50/50 call went their way and now this HUGE blown call. We're due for some luck.
 

I thought the same thing. Haven't seen a replay since watching the game live, but from what I remember, it didn't look like an obvious tipped ball - tough for anyone to recognize, even on the replay.
 

Moses87 said:
Did anyone else notice the tipped ball on the 2nd quarter Interference call that essentially gave NW a gift TD?

The ESPN announcers didn't pick up on it, but I noticed in the replay that the underneath receiver reached up for the pass and slightly tipped it, causing the ball to flutter a bit as it reached the WR on the goal line. That is a reviewable play and nobody ever mentioned it and Kill didn't challenge. I was screaming at my TV, "CHALLENGE!"

What woulda been a huge 3rd down stop turned into a TD for them. Cost us at least 4 points and caused us to go for it on 4th down late when we could have taken a cheap shot FG to cut the margain down to a single point. Not sure it woulda made a difference in the game, but we could have been trailing 17-16 with 1 minute left at MF. We woulda had more options in trying to move the ball.

It would be nice to get a few calls from the refs for once. In the Iowa game it seemed every 50/50 call went their way and now this HUGE blown call. We're due for some luck.
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That's a shocker considering how good of a crew we had.
 

IIRC, one of the Gophers players even ran over to teh ref and made the tipped-ball motion to him.
 

Go Gophers Rah said:
IIRC, one of the Gophers players even ran over to teh ref and made the tipped-ball motion to him.
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Saw that and three/four guys around me were yelling that it was tipped. When they replayed in on the board it didn't look like it was tipped. Maybe the Coaches saw that too.
 


Let's not go down the ref's are out to get us line. This team has enough problems to deal with that have nothing to do with the refs.
 

Saw this live at the football game and even yelled at the referee to no avail.

Live at the game if you were sitting on that side of the field you could tell the ball was tipped by Coultier
#2 as he crossed the field he reached up and touched the ball and it did FLICK.
It was barely touched but the Northwestern guy did touch it. I turned to my buddy and said to bad they did not see Coultier touch the ball there, or that Coultiers
touch was not more clear because a tipped ball, they have to pick up the flag on the pass interference call.
This play did not change the game but it does kind of make me wonder why we have an official in the booth if were not going to at least take a look on close plays that involve the red zone or scoring chances. With the wet field and ball field goals were not automatic on Saturday.
Knowing the Big10 officials as Gophers fans, we should be used to this. The Gophers are not going to get that call or help from the media unless it is painfully obvious it is just the hand we are dealt. To bad the pass interference had to be so obvious, if he hides the grab a little bit better or plays the ball, like it is a tipped ball maybe we do not get that call. Wisconsin grabs and teaches cheating by there defenseive backs as early arrivers on pass break ups as good as anybody. They make it like they are playing the ball, and are absolutely drilling a guy in the back before the ball get's there or are grabbing the WR's arm before the ball gets there. They have turned it into an artform, and it's not cheating if your not caught and the officials are not calling it. That's why it cannot be a close play against them we have to go get the ball before they have a chance to cheat, as the officials are not going to give us the call.

If it is a close game this Saturday you can expect the Big10 officials to give every call and every opportunity for the Badgers to win the football game at home, even if they have to make a call that effects the outcome of the game. It is just the nature of this conference. They protect the Glory programs, and give them favored statud. Certain programs are protected at the expense of others. You have to earn your breaks by winning games your not supposed to and not leaving it close.
We are not in a position where we will be cut any breaks from the officials, it is what it is. All fan bases get hosed by the officials we should be used to this by now.
 

So does anyone know if a tipped ball is a reviewable play?
 

GophersInIowa said:
That's a shocker considering how good of a crew we had.
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My fave was when Joey G. pointed out that when AJ Barker was going to return the punt he would have to look up, and because it was raining, he would get rain in his eyes. That's the insight I'm looking for!!
 



gophergrad said:
So does anyone know if a tipped ball is a reviewable play?
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I believe it is, you can't obviously review the penalty itself, but you can review if there was a tip, and if there was that penalty can be reversed. I feel like I've seen this a few times. Maybe it was in the NFL, I'm not sure.
 

gophergrad said:
So does anyone know if a tipped ball is a reviewable play?
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I don't think penalty calls are reviewable. This is in part to protect the refs' judgment. Otherwise somebody would always get bent out if shape and want play stopped to see how much contact there was on a PI call, show me the holding, etc. I have seen them review whether a QB is over the LOS when he passes but I think that's more to determine whether to allow a completed pass.
 

gophergrad said:
So does anyone know if a tipped ball is a reviewable play?
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Pretty sure it is reviewable in the NFL but not sure that is the case in college. Would not surprise me if that was not reviewable.
 

It's absolutely reviewable in the NFL. I've seen at least one PI flag picked up this year from a challenge that showed the ball was tipped, nullifying the pass interference call. I have no idea if it's reviewable in college football though.
 



Catechol said:
I don't think penalty calls are reviewable. This is in part to protect the refs' judgment. Otherwise somebody would always get bent out if shape and want play stopped to see how much contact there was on a PI call, show me the holding, etc. I have seen them review whether a QB is over the LOS when he passes but I think that's more to determine whether to allow a completed pass.
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This is a completely different situation though. It has nothing to do with judgement. A tipped ball would mean pass interference could not be called.
 

GophersInIowa said:
This is a completely different situation though. It has nothing to do with judgement. A tipped ball would mean pass interference could not be called.
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unless the contact came before the tip (which I don't think was the case)
 


GophersInIowa said:
This is a completely different situation though. It has nothing to do with judgement. A tipped ball would mean pass interference could not be called.
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Totally agree. I didn't intend to connect the two, I was just saying that penalties are not reviewable in college except for special exceptions, and my theory is that they don't want refs' judgment on penalties to be constantly questioned as this undermines their authority and could drastically slow down the game.

Reading through the rules (Rule 12, article 6 in NCAA rulebook, too hard to link on mobile) there are only three rare exceptions for reviewing penalty calls, otherwise it says they are not reviewable. Those 3 are forward pass over the LOS, offsides on kickoff, and 12 men on the field. Hence the tipping of a pass does not appear to be reviewable if the sole reason for review is to contest a PI penalty.
 

Catechol said:
Totally agree. I didn't intend to connect the two, I was just saying that penalties are not reviewable in college except for special exceptions, and my theory is that they don't want refs' judgment on penalties to be constantly questioned as this undermines their authority and could drastically slow down the game.

Reading through the rules (Rule 12, article 6 in NCAA rulebook, too hard to link on mobile) there are only three rare exceptions for reviewing penalty calls, otherwise it says they are not reviewable. Those 3 are forward pass over the LOS, offsides on kickoff, and 12 men on the field. Hence the tipping of a pass does not appear to be reviewable if the sole reason for review is to contest a PI penalty.
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In those three examples, you would be reviewing the actual penalty. In this situation, you would be reviewing something totally unrelated to the actual penalty.

You could be right, it isn't reviewable. It's something that should be changed then.
 

I've seen the tipped pass reviewed in a college game and they over-turned a PI penalty in the Texas / OSU game back in early Sept. They reviewed it there...It would have changed the complexion of the game down the stretch for us.
 

GophersInIowa said:
In those three examples, you would be reviewing the actual penalty. In this situation, you would be reviewing something totally unrelated to the actual penalty.

You could be right, it isn't reviewable. It's something that should be changed then.
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True, but in this case they would still be using replay solely to adjudicate the penalty, and the rules seem to state that no other penalty is reviewable other than those three cited. I agree that this situation might be straightforward enough to benefit from review, but they have to draw the line somewhere. Otherwise you would have coaches going to review over whether a ball was catchable, whether there was really holding, the conundrum of reversing defensive to offensive pass interference if the tape shows an early push off, and so forth. The tape doesn't lie, but we have to give the officials the respect to not question every judgment call they make by scrutinizing them on tape in real time-otherwise you will essentially have replay officials making penalty calls which doesn't seem right.
 

Catechol said:
True, but in this case they would still be using replay solely to adjudicate the penalty, and the rules seem to state that no other penalty is reviewable other than those three cited. I agree that this situation might be straightforward enough to benefit from review, but they have to draw the line somewhere. Otherwise you would have coaches going to review over whether a ball was catchable, whether there was really holding, the conundrum of reversing defensive to offensive pass interference if the tape shows an early push off, and so forth. The tape doesn't lie, but we have to give the officials the respect to not question every judgment call they make by scrutinizing them on tape in real time-otherwise you will essentially have replay officials making penalty calls which doesn't seem right.
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The review would not be whether or not the penalty itself occurred, it is concerning whether it is a valid penalty to be called, so to speak. Something like checking if the ball was tipped is something you can clearly look at and make a call one way or another. If the ball was tipped, pass interference can no longer be called. If it wasn't, then their call is completely valid, and we move on.

Allowing something like this to be reviewed doesn't open up that can of worms you describe because those are subjective calls. This is not subjective, the ball was tipped or it wasn't. And it sounds like this has been reviewed in a college game according to Moses.
 

GophersInIowa said:
Then it would be holding though. Pass interference doesn't come into play until after the ball has been released.
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Correct, but if the contact occurs between the time that the ball is released and the time the ball is tipped then PI can be called. I realize it's a small window but I recall a game I watched this season (can't for the life of me remember which one) in which this came up. The contact occurred at nearly the exact same time as the ball being tipped. It was reviewed and if I remember right PI was ultimately not called.
 

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