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I was part of an interesting conversation this evening with a person who is close to the Gopher football program. I am only a casual acquaintance of this guy, but my really good friend is a good friend of his, so I was mostly a listener in the conversation between those two. And, please note, my intent isn't to pile on Tim Brewster, but to simply offer this guy's belief on the Brewster era. And, this is only one man's opinion, so take it for what it is worth. I found it fascinating, so that's why chose to post it.

This person who is close to the program made an interesting commentary that: 1) I found interesting and telling; 2) I had never given a thought to (nor have I seen it or heard it anywhere else).

First of all, this guy didn't have a lot of good things to say about Brew. Said it was clear he was in over his head from day one. Lots of sizzle, not much steak. He said the only short-term success that Brewster experienced came in 2008 and was mostly due to Ted Roof. 2008 was Roof's only year at MN. This guy's contention seemed to be that Brewster was utilizing Roof and Roof's experience as a previous head coach. Brew was asking Roof for help in calling a lot of the shots in running the program, practice plans, organizational decisions, game management decisions, etc. It was a good combo and mostly do to Roof's coaching, we got to 7-1 and ranked in the Top 25 that season. Then, this contact said when Brewster chose to go for the win late in the Northwestern game and Weber threw the pick 6 and they lost, that Brewster lost Roof that day and the team didn't win a game the rest of the year. Roof was apparently telling Brewster to not risk a mistake late and play for OT from deep in your own territory. And, Brewster went macho on him and said "we're going to win it here." When they lost, Roof and Brewster had it out and it was never the same. In Roof's mind, Brewster confirmed himself to be an idiot and Roof believed it to be hopeless. It was at this point that Roof emotionally changed and began to immediately look for other jobs for the following season. He was physically in the building and physically at practices and physically at the games, but emotionally, he was checked out. With Roof worn out and fatigued by Brewster, the practices suffered, the game plans weren't the same, and we didn't win another game that season. At that point, Brewster never really got it going again. Roof went off to Auburn and has them No. 1 in the nation. Brewster hired Cosgrove and there was no head coaching experience on the staff again and the team has looked like a poorly coached unit since.

Not sure how much stock to put in it, but this guy is definitely close to the program and seems to have a firm opinion that this is where it went wrong for Brewster - losing Roof's confidence killed him. I had never thought of that before, but the timeline seems to make sense. I always thought the continual changing of offensive philosophies and overhype was Brew's downfall, but this guy was adamant that he thought it was losing Roof's confidence and thus, losing Roof's experience and expertise.

I do specifically remember a couple of occasions where Roof on his own called timeouts from the sidelines that year, which I found interesting. And, I absolutely remember Ted Roof looking skyward and in complete disbelief after that Northwestern game.
 

It's an interesting theory & take. One of the things I always found fascinating was after the Northwestern game, Brewster said he'd do the same thing again because they wanted to be aggressive & play to win, or to that affect. Two weeks later, with the Gophers leading 21-7 at Wisconsin late in the first half, the Gophers had the ball around midfield, which was mostly a better situation with a lower chance of something bad happening.....and the Gophers kneeled it to go to halftime rather than go for the kill and a potentially a 24-7 or 28-7 lead. We all know how Wisconsin came back & won the game.
 

Anybody who paid attention to that season could see Brew & Roof fell off at some point. I remember an odd statement when Brew was asked if bringing in Ted Roof had put some fire into the Defense or something along those lines & Brew dodged giving Roof any kind of credit...
 

LOL.

The team that was 7-1 was the exact same team that went 0-5 the rest of the year. The only difference is that Decker got injured and the team wasn't so fortunate in the turnover department.

If anybody remembers, I foretold the 2008 "collapse". We had a +15 turnover margin and I said that we can't keep winning the way that we were winning, that turnovers are largely attributed to randomness and luck. Folks here tried to tell me otherwise, but sure enough, we finished the year -3 and lost the rest of our games.
 

I'm going to call BS.
First of all, Roof was the highest paid D coordinator in the Big 10 (or close to it) So you are saying he gave up because he couldn't handle Brewsters inexperience? Didn't Roof go through the same sort of growing pains at Duke as their head coach? So maybe he should understand what Brew was going through? Huh.
Secondly, so the Northwestern game was THE game where Roof just had it with Brewster? Wasn't that the game where backup QB Kafka came in and ran for over 200 yards? I don't think Roof should be worrying about a 4th quarter offensive play....he should have been pissed about letting a 3rd rate QB look like Vince Young. Maybe my mind is going and that wasn't the game, but I swear it was.

These Brew stories are getting out of hand. Also, Roof should have given ALL his salary back to the U after the 55-0 disaster he oversaw as our D coordinator against Iowa.
 


That story, if true, tells me more about Roof than Brewster. A good head coach will take advantage of his assistants' strengths. If Brewster didn't lean on Roof for his experience, he would've been an idiot. If Roof checked out on that day because of that decision, he's an ass.
 

I'm going to call BS.
First of all, Roof was the highest paid D coordinator in the Big 10 (or close to it) So you are saying he gave up because he couldn't handle Brewsters inexperience? Didn't Roof go through the same sort of growing pains at Duke as their head coach? So maybe he should understand what Brew was going through? Huh.
Secondly, so the Northwestern game was THE game where Roof just had it with Brewster? Wasn't that the game where backup QB Kafka came in and ran for over 200 yards? I don't think Roof should be worrying about a 4th quarter offensive play....he should have been pissed about letting a 3rd rate QB look like Vince Young. Maybe my mind is going and that wasn't the game, but I swear it was.

These Brew stories are getting out of hand. Also, Roof should have given ALL his salary back to the U after the 55-0 disaster he oversaw as our D coordinator against Iowa.

+1

It just sounds like revisionist history to explain 7-1 and ranked to our 55-0 Iowa game and bowl blow-out. I doubt Roof just gave-up and quit after NW. We faced better competition after NW, Decker was hurt, and so our lack of running game was exposed. Remember, Brew had to bring in Tim Davis a few weeks later in time for the bowl game as our line-play (Phil Myer) and spread were exposed, then our OC was show the door too.
 

New thread

We should have a thread dedicated to Brewster put downs so everyone can get them out of their system. Such as:
All sizzle, no steak.
All hat, no cattle.
All talk, no walk.
That way they don't have to work them into every other thread.
 

We should have a thread dedicated to Brewster put downs so everyone can get them out of their system. Such as:
All sizzle, no steak.
All hat, no cattle.
All talk, no walk.
That way they don't have to work them into every other thread.

LOL. Good idea.

I remember Roof having several sideline melt-downs and I do remember him calling at least one time-out on his own.

Sounds like two big (and not particularly well-fortified) egos going toe-to-toe. I agree that the loss to Northwestern was a back-breaker and the decision to go downfield late in the game from deep in our own territory incredibly stupid. I also seem to remember Roof's defense letting Kafka (in a back-up role) run all over the field for most of the day.

The biggest flaw in the Brewster hire is that he never had a vision as to what he wanted the program to look like. It was a three-plus year tenure of an on-going game of "spin the bottle." I don't find it surprising that long-time college football hands like Dunbar and Roof rolled their eyes with some measure of consistency.
 



We should have a thread dedicated to Brewster put downs so everyone can get them out of their system. Such as:
All sizzle, no steak.
All hat, no cattle.
All talk, no walk.
That way they don't have to work them into every other thread.

Could we combine it with a Sid put down thread?
 

Ted Roof's head coaching record was 6-45. Nuf said.
 

That story, if true, tells me more about Roof than Brewster. A good head coach will take advantage of his assistants' strengths. If Brewster didn't lean on Roof for his experience, he would've been an idiot. If Roof checked out on that day because of that decision, he's an ass.

Yep, couldn't agree more.

What happened in the Northwestern game was a crazy play. Decker catches that 9 out of 10 times.
 

I have always felt Decker's injury was the biggest reason for the collapse, but there probably is some validity to the Roof scenario as well. If they would have gotten the TD against NW, I wonder how Roof would have responded. Anyway, it was a scenario that should not have happened in the first place. When the HC is not really the HC, it throws everything else off and is a tragedy waiting to happen.

From another perspective, it does give some hope as to how the team will respond with better coaching.
 



We should have a thread dedicated to Brewster put downs so everyone can get them out of their system. Such as:
All sizzle, no steak.
All hat, no cattle.
All talk, no walk.
That way they don't have to work them into every other thread.

+1

Add Mason.
 




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