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according to gvbadger this will be one of Bo's best teams even without gassner they will be in the top 4.
 

There are definitely some realistic posters over there, but man are there some crazies too. I can't believe some of them actually think they are contenders for the conference championship. They are also underestimating Minnesota the most out of all the Big Ten teams. The consensus over there is that they are about even with us talent wise. Ridiculous.
 

I like the guy on the badger site who said......Minnesota is OK, but top 5 in the Big 10? I really doubt it.

Can't wait till we sweep them this year....dirty skunks!
 

Top 5 is not a lock for the Gophers. Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, MSU, Wisconsin, and Ohio State will all be fighting with the Gophers. There is a lot of strange confidence on this board too.
 


Gold Vision said:
Top 5 is not a lock for the Gophers. Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, MSU, Wisconsin, and Ohio State will all be fighting with the Gophers. There is a lot of strange confidence on this board too.
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When your only loss is to the #1 team in the country and you've pretty much beaten every other team relatively easily, you are going to be confident. When you lose to the Virginia's and Marquette's and get completely blown out by a top 25 team like Florida, you should not be confident.
 

It isn't that they are confident, they are just so arrogant and condescending. Dirty skunks. They will not be a top 4 team this year like many of their posters claim.
 

Gold Vision said:
Top 5 is not a lock for the Gophers. Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, MSU, Wisconsin, and Ohio State will all be fighting with the Gophers. There is a lot of strange confidence on this board too.
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That would never happen on this board.:rolleyes:
 

MadtownGopher said:
When you lose to the Virginia's and Marquette's and get completely blown out by a top 25 team like Florida, you should not be confident.
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Speaking of bad... what is worse? Marquette's BLOW OUT lost to Flordia 82-49 or Marquette losing last night to Green Bay Phoenix?

Gold Vision said:
There is a lot of strange confidence on this board too.
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Nothing strange about it.
 



I kinda get their optimism given Bo's track record of finding gems who improve suddenly. They don't beat themselves with turnovers and they move the ball really well. I could see 10-8 at best for them. But they are a little deluded to expect top 4 in the conference.
 

In fairness to that board... most of the comments about Wisconsin finishing higher than MN or within the top 4 were made farther back in November. They started the year out a ranked team so I can see why through much of November their fan base would assume a top 4 B1G finish. I would too if I were them. But, as the early season has played out, Wisconsin hasn't looked nearly as powerful as its fans (and national press as well) had assumed. I think that is reflected in a darkening tone within that thread as it has marched along to the present day.
 

I can't get over Bo's success there... Those are truly impressive statistics.
 




In order to get to the 10-8 mark, the Badgers must capitalize on the early and last portions of their conference schedule:

First two games are Penn State and @ Nebraska.

Final 5-game stretch is soft, with only one (Michigan State) likely NCAA contender. ... @ Northwestern, Nebraska, Purdue, @ Michigan State, and @ Penn State.

They need to clean up in those 7 games, 'cause overall Bucky's B1G schedule is brutal, arguably the toughest.
 

SelectionSunday said:
In order to get to the 10-8 mark, the Badgers must capitalize on the early and last portions of their conference schedule:

First two games are Penn State and @ Nebraska.

Final 5-game stretch is soft, with only one (Michigan State) likely NCAA contender. ... @ Northwestern, Nebraska, Purdue, @ Michigan State, and @ Penn State.

They need to clean up in those 7 games, 'cause overall Bucky's B1G schedule is brutal, arguably the toughest.
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Do you think they get in at 9-9? 10-8? How would that profile stack up in previous years?
 

My hunch would be 10-8 gets them in. Not so sure about 9-9, unless Cal and Arkansas (Bucky's best wins) pick it up significantly.

Of course, it also depends on who the wins are against in conference play. Certainly wouldn't get in at 9-9 if most of their wins are against the Big Ten bottom-feeders.
 

No doubt about it, Bo did REALLY well in the Big Ten when the conference was at it's lowest point in decades.

Think about it; for much of Bo's run, just for starters, Michigan and Indiana were virtually irrelevant. That ALONE says a lot. Some of the other teams endured periods of mediocrity as well; Illinoi, Iowa, Minnesota, even the last few year's of Keady at Purdue. MUCH easier from a recruiting standpoint too; it's a little easier recruiting against the likes of Amaker, Monson, and Davis than it is against Crean, Tubby, Beilein, Matta, etc. Now that the conference has returned to being strong again, with the perennial powers playing like powerhouses, Wisky is back down where they usually have been.

At any rate, it's nice to see the conference strong again and relevant on the national stage, and playing a style of basketball people WANT to see. Let's face it, if Wisky was playing a game in my backyard, I'd close the drapes.
 

Bucky is not finishing top 4, but I do think they will squeeze into the tourney (maybe due to name sake). But who knows...
 


Lets all take a deep breath and wait until the BIG season starts. The cream will seperate at the end. Who will come on strong and who will wilt under the pressure of the BIG competition.

IMO, Michigan and IU will end up the top two with OSU #3 and the other top 5 spots will be filled by Illini, MSU, MN, or Wisky.
 

Is the Big Ten as good as advertised to get teams 7, 8, possibly 9 in the tourney? Agree with Bayfieldgopher, time to take a deep breath and wait. It's too early to go cabin crazy.
 

SelectionSunday said:
In order to get to the 10-8 mark, the Badgers must capitalize on the early and last portions of their conference schedule:

First two games are Penn State and @ Nebraska.

Final 5-game stretch is soft, with only one (Michigan State) likely NCAA contender. ... @ Northwestern, Nebraska, Purdue, @ Michigan State, and @ Penn State.

They need to clean up in those 7 games, 'cause overall Bucky's B1G schedule is brutal, arguably the toughest.
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Agree with most of what you noted, SS, specifically that they have to take advantage of the early part of their schedule. I think they need to be 3-0 after Penn St., @ Nebraska and Illinois. However, I don't think it's fair to say it's the toughest conference schedule. I see Michigan and Indiana as the two best in the conference, and they only have two games against those teams.

As a whole, I agree with much of this thread. I don't see any way they finish in the top four, but I think they can get to 10-8 or 9-9 and keep the NCAA tourney streak alive. Losing Gasser really brought some weak recruiting classes to light. It's hard to believe they had one guard in the program who could consistently produce against high major competition. Hopefully Marshall and Jackson improve over the course of the season, as competent play from them will be really important.
 

UWOle said:
Agree with most of what you noted, SS, specifically that they have to take advantage of the early part of their schedule. I think they need to be 3-0 after Penn St., @ Nebraska and Illinois. However, I don't think it's fair to say it's the toughest conference schedule. I see Michigan and Indiana as the two best in the conference, and they only have two games against those teams.

As a whole, I agree with much of this thread. I don't see any way they finish in the top four, but I think they can get to 10-8 or 9-9 and keep the NCAA tourney streak alive. Losing Gasser really brought some weak recruiting classes to light. It's hard to believe they had one guard in the program who could consistently produce against high major competition. Hopefully Marshall and Jackson improve over the course of the season, as competent play from them will be really important.
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I agree with this. I would bet it would tough to get in the top 4. IMO Indiana, Michigan, and OSU are all better (by a decent margin at least) than the Badgers, and they would have to leapfrog MN, MSU, and Ill to land in the top 4. I do think they can go 9-9 or 10-8 and sneak in the NCAA's. Based on Ryan's previous success its hard to bet against it, but if there were a year out of the last 7 or 8 that they wouldnot make it, this seems to be it...now watch some stars will align and they'll pul out a 12-6 winning all their games 54-52...
 

gopherbadgerman, based on your post in this thread and your post in the final four thread it seems like you think the Badgers and Gophers are headed for the same Big Ten record. Please elaborate on why you believe this given the play we've seen from each team thus far.
 

Dewey The Bear said:
Is the Big Ten as good as advertised to get teams 7, 8, possibly 9 in the tourney? Agree with Bayfieldgopher, time to take a deep breath and wait. It's too early to go cabin crazy.
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I just don't see it. If every team had swept their non-conference schedule, then maybe. But the nature of conference play is that somebody has to lose every game. It's just horribly unlikely that the conference gets 9 teams into the tournament. I would put good money on 7, even money on 8, but run the hell away from a bet on 9 teams.

IU, UM, OSU, Minn, Ill, Iowa, MSU. I see these 7 as near locks for the tournament. UW, NU, and maybe Purdue could be bubble teams. And there's no way PSU or Nebraska snif a bid.
 

MadtownGopher said:
gopherbadgerman, based on your post in this thread and your post in the final four thread it seems like you think the Badgers and Gophers are headed for the same Big Ten record. Please elaborate on why you believe this given the play we've seen from each team thus far.
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No I think that MN is slightly abouve Wisonsin. I posted that in the other thread. I dont think they are 3-4 B10 games better, but 1 or 2. Maybe it is the optimistic view on W and the pessimistic view on MN. Recent history just suggests that Bo Ryan gets the most out of his teams, and MN always seems to have something come up. Not saying that past years really dictate this year at all. With a gun to my head I would predict MN 6th and Wisc 7th in the B10, with MN at 10-8 and Wisc at 9-9. MN in the NCAA's with a 5-7 seed and Wisc sneeking in with a 8-10 or so. But, I would not be shocked if MN moved to 4th place or down to 7th. I think that MN seems to have a higher celeing than W this year for sure. But playing up to the teams ability is something that has not happened in MN recently, and has in Madison.
 

Both terrible losses

HOOP DREAMS said:

Speaking of bad... what is worse? Marquette's BLOW OUT lost to Flordia 82-49 or Marquette losing last night to Green Bay Phoenix?
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On the surface Green Bay Phoenix. Looking into it further, getting destroyed by Florida by 33 is worse.
 

This is a no brainier argument. Bo has a current track record of proven success within the B10. Tubby has current riven track record of falling flat in the B10. Until you dance, you ain't no dancer. I believe this is the year of the Gopher, but until it's done there's no basis to boast.
 

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