Interesting article on Eric Bledsoe's Birmingham prep grades

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I read that this morning and this piqued my curiosity a bit ..

In a telephone conversation with The Birmingham News, the Algebra 3 teacher, Larry Webster, said the final course grade recorded on the night-school grade report is wrong. "You've got the wrong grade. There are two of those printout sheets. I already talked to the (school) board attorney." He said he wouldn't comment further and hung up.
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Really?

And this ..

Asked whether it is common for students to take Algebra 2 and 3 out of sequence, Martin responded: "It isn't normal for a person to do that or be allowed to do that. Had I looked at his transcript, I wouldn't have allowed him to do that. By the time he got to us, I guess what we had to do ..."

Martin paused before continuing: "Well, I ain't even going there with that. I'm going to my grave with that."
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Alrighty then.
 

Where is "The Truth"

Reserve said:
I read that this morning and this piqued my curiosity a bit ..



Really?

And this ..



Alrighty then.
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It is going to be a few minutes before "The Truth" posts his BS to defend UK and Cal. This time, he will have a harder time to even convince his own people. UK is going down and I am loving it.

Go Gophers
 

BleedGopher said:
According to this article, Bledsoe took Algebra 3 before he took Algebra 2. If his transcript is found in-valid, would UK have to forfeit the games in which Bledsoe played?

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/09/records_differed_on_bledsoes_p.html

Go Gophers!!
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Yes. Coming soon: vacated '09-'10 season for coach Cal.

Interestingly, even though the NCAA has wiped the record books from his best two seasons, UK's official website includes (and describes in some detail) those vacated seasons as examples of coach Cal's success in his official bio. The word "vacate" (and any of its extensions) does not appear in the official bio. Sounds like UK has no problem with vacated seasons.
 

The-Real-Truth said:
It is going to be a few minutes before "The Truth" posts his BS to defend UK and Cal. This time, he will have a harder time to even convince his own people. UK is going down and I am loving it.

Go Gophers
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I'm hardly The Truth but my hunch is that UK will be vindicated (not penalized) on this because Sandy Bell (UK Director of Compliance) is really good at her job. If there were problems(s), EB would not have been allowed (by her) to play last year.
 


How many coaches can claim to have 3 entire seasons vacated by the NCAA? Right now, probably 0. A year from now, the one and only, John Calishady.

When is the NCAA going to ban this clown?
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
I'm hardly The Truth but my hunch is that UK will be vindicated (not penalized) on this because Sandy Bell (UK Director of Compliance) is really good at her job. If there were problems(s), EB would not have been allowed (by her) to play last year.
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Sorry, not buying it. Cal turned a blind eye to academic fraud of Derrick Rose & he did it again with Bledsoe - clearly Cal knows how to slip academic fraud through the clearinghouse and simultaneously fool the compliance directors.
 

OSUfan said:
Sorry, not buying it. Cal turned a blind eye to academic fraud of Derrick Rose & he did it again with Bledsoe - clearly Cal knows how to slip academic fraud through the clearinghouse and simultaneously fool the compliance directors.
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Never mentioned Calipari. I trust Sandy Bell.
 

If memory serves (and it may not), but I'm pretty sure Bledsoe visited MN and at one point had us amongst his top two or three favorites. Then I think the MN coaches saw the transcripts and said no chance will he ever get in here and moved on to Justin Cobbs and Darius Smith. Cobbs committed first and the rest is history.
 



tjgopher said:
If memory serves (and it may not), but I'm pretty sure Bledsoe visited MN and at one point had us amongst his top two or three favorites. Then I think the MN coaches saw the transcripts and said no chance will he ever get in here and moved on to Justin Cobbs and Darius Smith. Cobbs committed first and the rest is history.
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Your memory is correct. We were in on Bledsoe and he showed quite a bit of interest in us. After we saw the transcripts we stopped recruiting him.

Go Gophers!!
 

BleedGopher said:
Your memory is correct. We were in on Bledsoe and he showed quite a bit of interest in us. After we saw the transcripts we stopped recruiting him.

Go Gophers!!
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Wow...I guess our compliance dept is even BETTER than FoT's close personal friend Sandy Bell at UK since MN realized his transcripts had issues and she did not...:rolleyes:
 

ShowinGoldyLove said:
Wow...I guess our compliance dept is even BETTER than FoT's close personal friend Sandy Bell at UK since MN realized his transcripts had issues and she did not...:rolleyes:
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Bledsoe's final 5 schools (EACH offered) were UK, Cincy, Bama, Memphis, and Florida.

No one in Minnesota compliance is better than (or even as good as) Sandy Bell.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Bledsoe's final 5 schools (EACH offered) were UK, Cincy, Bama, Memphis, and Florida.

No one in college basketball is slimier than John Calipari.
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Fixed that one for you. John Calipari is a lot more powerful/influential than Sandy Bell - he knows how to manipulate grades and test scores to get players cleared even when they shouldn't be (see Rose, Derrick). I'm not saying Bell doesn't do or try to do a good job, but in many cases a compliance officer is only as good as the information they have access to, and if you don't know about it, then you can't stop it.
 



Friend Of Tubby said:
Bledsoe's final 5 schools (EACH offered) were UK, Cincy, Bama, Memphis, and Florida.

No one in Minnesota compliance is better than (or even as good as) Sandy Bell.
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I've done an exhaustive study on the various Compliance Directors at all of the schools in the NCAA, and I'm afraid Sandy Bell comes in tied at 46th. She's not bad, but certainly she doesn't beat out the Gophers' compliance director Lynn Zentner, who is solidly 11th, but with a chance to move up. Seriously, FOT, I love ya, but you're the ONLY person who can turn a schadenfreude-tastic discussion of the woes of Kentucky basketball into a discussion of the relative merits of compliance directors at various institutions in your opinion. And no, sorry, your good friend Sandy won't be standing on the track stopping the Calipari corruption train. She'll just hope to be gone off the track before it gets to her.
 

from here on out FOT will now be FOS, Friend of Sandy. Honestly, i and i expect others will only refer to you as FOS
 

OSUfan said:
Fixed that one for you. John Calipari is a lot more powerful/influential than Sandy Bell - he knows how to manipulate grades and test scores to get players cleared even when they shouldn't be (see Rose, Derrick). I'm not saying Bell doesn't do or try to do a good job, but in many cases a compliance officer is only as good as the information they have access to, and if you don't know about it, then you can't stop it.
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Sorry, nope. UK wouldn't allow it. The next NCAA violation in Lexington brings the Death Penalty.
 

jmag21 said:
I've done an exhaustive study on the various Compliance Directors at all of the schools in the NCAA, and I'm afraid Sandy Bell comes in tied at 46th. She's not bad, but certainly she doesn't beat out the Gophers' compliance director Lynn Zentner, who is solidly 11th, but with a chance to move up. Seriously, FOT, I love ya, but you're the ONLY person who can turn a schadenfreude-tastic discussion of the woes of Kentucky basketball into a discussion of the relative merits of compliance directors at various institutions in your opinion. And no, sorry, your good friend Sandy won't be standing on the track stopping the Calipari corruption train. She'll just hope to be gone off the track before it gets to her.
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Indeed, she will - UK (and her) won't allow NCAA violations BECAUSE they bring the Death Penalty to UK if allowed.

UK was warned by NCAA in 1953, 1976, 1988, and 1989. They won't get another warning.
 

The NCAA is not going to give UK the death penalty for playing an ineligible Eric Bledsoe. Vacated season once again - sure. But as long as coach Cal/UK can play the Seargent Schultz "I know nothing" routine, they won't be given the death penalty. The punishment still has to fit the crime, no matter what school is in issue. I don't think I've ever seen the NCAA take events 20+ years ago into account in penalizing an institution more severely for recent wrongdoing.
 

OSUfan said:
The NCAA is not going to give UK the death penalty for playing an ineligible Eric Bledsoe. Vacated season once again - sure. But as long as coach Cal/UK can play the Seargent Schultz "I know nothing" routine, they won't be given the death penalty. The punishment still has to fit the crime, no matter what school is in issue. I don't think I've ever seen the NCAA take events 20+ years ago into account in penalizing an institution more severely for recent wrongdoing.
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The 1989 NCAA sanctions were quite clear - do this again and you get the Death Penalty. No more NCAA violations was the message they delivered.

Knowingly playing an ineligible player would be a clear NCAA violation.
 

Friend Of Tubby said:
Knowingly playing an ineligible player would be a clear NCAA violation.
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Well then it's easy for Ms. Bell and Mr. Calamari...they will say they didn't KNOWINGLY play him; his transcripts must've been doctored "without their knowledge."
 



I don't care what college you're talking about, high school transcripts have nothing to do with the NCAA school that gets the player they just get the transcript from the High School but EB's academic issues were well known in recruiting news. He was recruited heavily by Gillispie and was his primary target for the 2009 class. Let's see Duke, Florida, Ole Miss, Alabama and many others wanted EB, you guys trying to say all these schools had his transcripts changed/doctored or fixed.. please his high school did it for him if anyone did and it's not like this doesn't happen all the time.

I don't care that his high school gave him some A's he didn't earn but it doesn't hurt anyone one bit. They helped him make his dreams come true which is what really matters. Had he not qualified who knows what would have happened to this kid, he was living in a car with his mother in his Jr year of school.
 

notagopherfan said:
I don't care what college you're talking about, high school transcripts have nothing to do with the NCAA school that gets the player they just get the transcript from the High School but EB's academic issues were well known in recruiting news. He was recruited heavily by Gillispie and was his primary target for the 2009 class. Let's see Duke, Florida, Ole Miss, Alabama and many others wanted EB, you guys trying to say all these schools had his transcripts changed/doctored or fixed.. please his high school did it for him if anyone did and it's not like this doesn't happen all the time.

I don't care that his high school gave him some A's he didn't earn but it doesn't hurt anyone one bit. They helped him make his dreams come true which is what really matters. Had he not qualified who knows what would have happened to this kid, he was living in a car with his mother in his Jr year of school.
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It is really funny how you guys become so caring about these kids. Complete BS. Start making For Sale signs for coach Cal's house. He is on his way out (hopefully college basketball).

Go Gophers
 

notagopherfan said:
I don't care that his high school gave him some A's he didn't earn but it doesn't hurt anyone one bit. They helped him make his dreams come true which is what really matters. Had he not qualified who knows what would have happened to this kid, he was living in a car with his mother in his Jr year of school.
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It hurts the student athletes who actually did the work and got the grades, and one of those students may not see his dream of playing at Kentucky come true, because Bledsoe, who did not do the work, used the scholarship.

He did not need his grades altered to see his dreams come true (see: Jennings, Brandon)
 

scher215 said:
It hurts the student athletes who actually did the work and got the grades, and one of those students may not see his dream of playing at Kentucky come true, because Bledsoe, who did not do the work, used the scholarship.

He did not need his grades altered to see his dreams come true (see: Jennings, Brandon)
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No facts have been published yet. When they are, this will be settled, one way or the other.
 


notagopherfan said:
I don't care what college you're talking about, high school transcripts have nothing to do with the NCAA school that gets the player they just get the transcript from the High School but EB's academic issues were well known in recruiting news. He was recruited heavily by Gillispie and was his primary target for the 2009 class. Let's see Duke, Florida, Ole Miss, Alabama and many others wanted EB, you guys trying to say all these schools had his transcripts changed/doctored or fixed.. please his high school did it for him if anyone did and it's not like this doesn't happen all the time.

I don't care that his high school gave him some A's he didn't earn but it doesn't hurt anyone one bit. They helped him make his dreams come true which is what really matters. Had he not qualified who knows what would have happened to this kid, he was living in a car with his mother in his Jr year of school.
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Alot of schools have enough integrity to analyze the transcripts, identify discrepencies, and act accordingly. Somehow I don't think kentucky under Calipari is one of those schools.
 

jovs said:
Alot of schools have enough integrity to analyze the transcripts, identify discrepencies, and act accordingly. Somehow I don't think kentucky under Calipari is one of those schools.
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100% agreed. The sad part is the fact that UK knew what they were getting into when they hired Cal. Even S. Smith tried to tell them but they wouldn't listen. They just wanted that FF so badly. Good luck getting to FF now. As coach Pitino said, UK basketball program will have setback for 10 years when Tubby left. First, they hired a drunk coach. Then, they hired a cheater. I would say that coach Pitino was wrong. Uk basketball is gone for at least 20 years.

Go Gophers
 

FOT loves to defend Sandy Bell, but there is a pretty damning statement in the NYT article on Bledsoe's transcripts:
"Three independent compliance officers, who were granted anonymity because of privacy laws surrounding discussions of students’ grades, said in interviews on Tuesday that under N.C.A.A. rules, the organization could vacate Kentucky’s 2009-2010 season, in which they reached the Round of 8."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/sports/ncaabasketball/15hoops.html?_r=4

Either Sandy didn't have the same facts as these other compliance officers or she looked the other way. Either way, UK is likely to take a hit on Bledsoe (vacated '10 season).
 

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